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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2023 9:42:48 GMT
I think some people here need to lay off the drink
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Post by clockendgas on Aug 30, 2023 11:00:50 GMT
I think some people here need to lay off the drink I'll drink to that!! |
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Aug 30, 2023 11:37:47 GMT
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Post by Gashead73 on Aug 30, 2023 11:37:47 GMT
I think some people here need to lay off the drink I'll drink to that!! I second that! |
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Aug 30, 2023 11:43:55 GMT
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Post by baggins on Aug 30, 2023 11:43:55 GMT
I think some people here need to lay off the drink I'll drink to that!! Sweet, it's your round. |
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Post by legas on Aug 30, 2023 12:16:37 GMT
1 shot on target at home last night. They love us so much they are trying to be us now.. Ah, but we scored with our one shot on target! |
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 30, 2023 13:27:55 GMT
Just like they did over 2 legs in 2007? They beat us by the odd goal with 2 Worldies last time we played them competitively too. Why do you think they'd beat us at a canter? We're not miles off them on the playing side at all. If we sign JCH then this squad should be aiming for automatic promotion, Play Offs bare minimum. Brentford didn't tear this division up, got promoted then finished in the Championship top 10, 6 out of 7 seasons, reaching the Play Offs in 3 of them. It's nothing to with optimism, just based on the 2 current squads, adding JCH to it. Why do people think that there's this massive chasm between League 1 and The Championship? It's fine to have different opinions on the matter. 2007? Crikey, but look, there are often cup upsets in one-off scenarios. They are an established champ side paying 5x our wages against relegated prem sides each week. We are struggling to impose ourselves against sides like Cambridge and Fleetwood! We are building a nice squad for our campaign this season but imo, suggesting we could get near an established championship side and comparing squads is just hopefulness. It's been 20 odd years that we've been competing at a level below so I'm not sure where this optimism comes from. Take Peterborough and JCH. Pboro last played against the teds in 21/22 with a better side than us(played in a higher division with more expensive players, bigger crowds, better facilities etc etc) they drew and lost against city. I'm hopeful of a strong season this year regardless of JCH, but accept that comparing stats or capabilities with a mid table champ side is pointless and tbh a bit embarrassing. Each to their own though 👍🏼 Again it's not about optimism. Why do people instantly think there's a huge chasm between League 1 and The Championship? Luton with a side full of players from The Conference, League 2 and League 1 got out of it within a couple of seasons. I'm purely judging it on both squads of players, I'm not looking at stadium size, crowds, wages, transfer fees.... Think you're getting the wrong end of the stick. |
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Post by lj on Aug 30, 2023 13:49:49 GMT
alot of good points chaps and this is the most embarrassing lesson for both clubs
you make a good point about sides getting to the prem before us but also forgetting the sames sides overtook you to
yes we have spent money and my god how we have spent it on some bloody rubbish and paid crazy wages which finally np has sorted out
why is it that Brentford Luton Burnley Bournemouth and many others have just flow both both bristol sides
i have made this point many times as much as i hate to say this and it does not go down well with quite a few of my mates
i feel if you came up it would help both of us,lets be honest everyone knows the bristol derby is one of the most hostile and committed derby around also it brings back the knife edge banter we used to have.cardiif swansea reading plymouth come nowhere near for me and anyone from both sets of fans that says diffrent i think is telling a wind up porky pie
oh yes i would not mind arron collins but i have always rated luke thomas as a fellow forester and watching him at such a young age.
mehmeti i think will come good as will sam bell and its a big shame tommy is injured.
we will hold are own this season and due to the way we play i have a felling we will pick up more points away than at home
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Post by gashead79 on Aug 30, 2023 14:24:45 GMT
It's fine to have different opinions on the matter. 2007? Crikey, but look, there are often cup upsets in one-off scenarios. They are an established champ side paying 5x our wages against relegated prem sides each week. We are struggling to impose ourselves against sides like Cambridge and Fleetwood! We are building a nice squad for our campaign this season but imo, suggesting we could get near an established championship side and comparing squads is just hopefulness. It's been 20 odd years that we've been competing at a level below so I'm not sure where this optimism comes from. Take Peterborough and JCH. Pboro last played against the teds in 21/22 with a better side than us(played in a higher division with more expensive players, bigger crowds, better facilities etc etc) they drew and lost against city. I'm hopeful of a strong season this year regardless of JCH, but accept that comparing stats or capabilities with a mid table champ side is pointless and tbh a bit embarrassing. Each to their own though 👍🏼 Again it's not about optimism. Why do people instantly think there's a huge chasm between League 1 and The Championship? Luton with a side full of players from The Conference, League 2 and League 1 got out of it within a couple of seasons. I'm purely judging it on both squads of players, I'm not looking at stadium size, crowds, wages, transfer fees.... Think you're getting the wrong end of the stick. Not sure about huge chasm since there's mini leagues within each division with the best teams in lg1 closer to the weakest above obviously. However, from the 20 different sides promoted since 2015, 9 of them have been relegated. From the teams promoted since 2015, only 3 have made it to the prem. Add in the fact that teams relegated from the prem have parachute payments and players on inflated salaries, it shouldn't be so surprising that there's a gap in standard. If you still want to judge it on squads then I don't see many of our players as targets for higher leagues. Meanwhile city have been selling their starlets for millions the last few years. Our record transfer is from 1993(?) Whilst in that time they have spent 10s of millions on players from UK and abroad. Our Academy is 2nd rate compared to theirs. Their coaching set up and staff levels are light years ahead. I think we'll have a good season but if I were you, I'd put a month's wages on promotion as clear Champs if you believe we are in the same ball park as them. |
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Aug 30, 2023 15:01:42 GMT
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Post by Gashead73 on Aug 30, 2023 15:01:42 GMT
Again it's not about optimism. Why do people instantly think there's a huge chasm between League 1 and The Championship? Luton with a side full of players from The Conference, League 2 and League 1 got out of it within a couple of seasons. I'm purely judging it on both squads of players, I'm not looking at stadium size, crowds, wages, transfer fees.... Think you're getting the wrong end of the stick. Not sure about huge chasm since there's mini leagues within each division with the best teams in lg1 closer to the weakest above obviously. However, from the 20 different sides promoted since 2015, 9 of them have been relegated. From the teams promoted since 2015, only 3 have made it to the prem. Add in the fact that teams relegated from the prem have parachute payments and players on inflated salaries, it shouldn't be so surprising that there's a gap in standard. If you still want to judge it on squads then I don't see many of our players as targets for higher leagues. Meanwhile city have been selling their starlets for millions the last few years. Our record transfer is from 1993(?) Whilst in that time they have spent 10s of millions on players from UK and abroad. Our Academy is 2nd rate compared to theirs. Their coaching set up and staff levels are light years ahead. I think we'll have a good season but if I were you, I'd put a month's wages on promotion as clear Champs if you believe we are in the same ball park as them. Our record transfer wan the 1989-90 Season Nigel Martyn to Cystal Palace for 1 million plus add ons, secondly was Gary Penrice to Watford for £500'000 |
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Post by gashead79 on Aug 30, 2023 15:03:48 GMT
Not sure about huge chasm since there's mini leagues within each division with the best teams in lg1 closer to the weakest above obviously. However, from the 20 different sides promoted since 2015, 9 of them have been relegated. From the teams promoted since 2015, only 3 have made it to the prem. Add in the fact that teams relegated from the prem have parachute payments and players on inflated salaries, it shouldn't be so surprising that there's a gap in standard. If you still want to judge it on squads then I don't see many of our players as targets for higher leagues. Meanwhile city have been selling their starlets for millions the last few years. Our record transfer is from 1993(?) Whilst in that time they have spent 10s of millions on players from UK and abroad. Our Academy is 2nd rate compared to theirs. Their coaching set up and staff levels are light years ahead. I think we'll have a good season but if I were you, I'd put a month's wages on promotion as clear Champs if you believe we are in the same ball park as them. Our record transfer wan the 1989-90 Season Nigel Martyn to Cystal Palace for 1 million plus add ons, secondly was Gary Penrice to Watford for £500'000 I was referring to Tilly mate. Also,I'd say we've sold players for more than 1m since NM?? |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 30, 2023 16:03:26 GMT
Teds may well have spent 10's of millions on players from here there and everywhere BUT for what? to achieve mid/lower position in a league which after all, is just one good season away for us , so they spend all that money just to stay still.
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Aug 30, 2023 19:30:28 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 30, 2023 19:30:28 GMT
Again it's not about optimism. Why do people instantly think there's a huge chasm between League 1 and The Championship? Luton with a side full of players from The Conference, League 2 and League 1 got out of it within a couple of seasons. I'm purely judging it on both squads of players, I'm not looking at stadium size, crowds, wages, transfer fees.... Think you're getting the wrong end of the stick. Not sure about huge chasm since there's mini leagues within each division with the best teams in lg1 closer to the weakest above obviously. However, from the 20 different sides promoted since 2015, 9 of them have been relegated. From the teams promoted since 2015, only 3 have made it to the prem. Add in the fact that teams relegated from the prem have parachute payments and players on inflated salaries, it shouldn't be so surprising that there's a gap in standard. If you still want to judge it on squads then I don't see many of our players as targets for higher leagues. Meanwhile city have been selling their starlets for millions the last few years. Our record transfer is from 1993(?) Whilst in that time they have spent 10s of millions on players from UK and abroad. Our Academy is 2nd rate compared to theirs. Their coaching set up and staff levels are light years ahead. I think we'll have a good season but if I were you, I'd put a month's wages on promotion as clear Champs if you believe we are in the same ball park as them. Again, you're going off on a tangent. I'm judging it on purely the 2 current squads. Not on previous squads, not on players sold, not on academy products, training grounds, coaching set ups, transfer fees etc. So as I thought you are getting the wrong end of the stick. If we do sign JCH I will put some money on us going up. |
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Aug 30, 2023 20:11:01 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Aug 30, 2023 20:11:01 GMT
Not sure about huge chasm since there's mini leagues within each division with the best teams in lg1 closer to the weakest above obviously. However, from the 20 different sides promoted since 2015, 9 of them have been relegated. From the teams promoted since 2015, only 3 have made it to the prem. Add in the fact that teams relegated from the prem have parachute payments and players on inflated salaries, it shouldn't be so surprising that there's a gap in standard. If you still want to judge it on squads then I don't see many of our players as targets for higher leagues. Meanwhile city have been selling their starlets for millions the last few years. Our record transfer is from 1993(?) Whilst in that time they have spent 10s of millions on players from UK and abroad. Our Academy is 2nd rate compared to theirs. Their coaching set up and staff levels are light years ahead. I think we'll have a good season but if I were you, I'd put a month's wages on promotion as clear Champs if you believe we are in the same ball park as them. Again, you're going off on a tangent. I'm judging it on purely the 2 current squads. Not on previous squads, not on players sold, not on academy products, training grounds, coaching set ups, transfer fees etc. So as I thought you are getting the wrong end of the stick. If we do sign JCH I will put some money on us going up. You must know more about their squad than me then. I'd guess their wage bill is 4x ours and calibre of player will be much higher but perhaps I've got the wrong end of your stick again 😁 Not sure how you judge the squad without considering the environment that the squad work in🤷♂️ but hey how, we disagree. BTW, I've already backed us and don't see jch as the missing link. |
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Post by gashead79 on Aug 30, 2023 20:15:37 GMT
Teds may well have spent 10's of millions on players from here there and everywhere BUT for what? to achieve mid/lower position in a league which after all, is just one good season away for us , so they spend all that money just to stay still. Yeah. Thats pretty much how it works. It's relative though isn't it? Mid table prem teams spend 100s of millions to do the same without much hope of cracking the top 4. It's an entertainment business so the teds will charge more for the entertainment as they are in a better stadium with better players in a higher league. How much is hospitality for us compared to them? Sponsorship, business etc, we are worlds apart. |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Aug 30, 2023 20:17:01 GMT
How is it?
Aaron Collins I would suggest is every bit as good if not better than Harry Cornick and Anis Mehmeti, as is Harvey Vale.
Ryan Woods would get in their midfield, as would Lamare Bogarde.
Jack Hunt has already played 115 games for them in just 3 seasons, pretty much an ever present, and their Right Back now isn't any better.
JCH is a better goalscorer than Nahki Wells who pretty much plays every game for them.
Luton have outperformed Bristol City with players still from their Conference, League 2 and League 1 days.
So while they might have far better facilities than us, they're not miles ahead of us on the pitch at all.
Ridiculous 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Aug 30, 2023 20:28:32 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 30, 2023 20:28:32 GMT
Again, you're going off on a tangent. I'm judging it on purely the 2 current squads. Not on previous squads, not on players sold, not on academy products, training grounds, coaching set ups, transfer fees etc. So as I thought you are getting the wrong end of the stick. If we do sign JCH I will put some money on us going up. You must know more about their squad than me then. I'd guess their wage bill is 4x ours and calibre of player will be much higher but perhaps I've got the wrong end of your stick again 😁 Not sure how you judge the squad without considering the environment that the squad work in🤷♂️ but hey how, we disagree. BTW, I've already backed us and don't see jch as the missing link. Again I'm not talking about wage bills. Bristol City's wage bill is probably considerably bigger than Millwalls too, another club that didn't tear league 1 up, but got promoted out of it and have held their own and almost made The Championship Play Offs last season. In my original post I named a few players who imo would get into their team, as would JCH easily if we signed him, considering Nakhi Wells starts every game for them. My initial point was that while they may have far superior facilities than us, that actually they are not miles ahead of us on the pitch when you look at the 2 respective current squads. |
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Post by gashead79 on Aug 30, 2023 20:35:43 GMT
You must know more about their squad than me then. I'd guess their wage bill is 4x ours and calibre of player will be much higher but perhaps I've got the wrong end of your stick again 😁 Not sure how you judge the squad without considering the environment that the squad work in🤷♂️ but hey how, we disagree. BTW, I've already backed us and don't see jch as the missing link. Again I'm not talking about wage bills. Bristol City's wage bill is probably considerably bigger than Millwalls too, another club that didn't tear league 1 up, but got promoted out of it and have held their own and almost made The Championship Play Offs last season. In my original post I named a few players who imo would get into their team, as would JCH easily if we signed him, considering Nakhi Wells starts every game for them. My initial point was that while they may have far superior facilities than us, that actually they are not miles ahead of us on the pitch when you look at the 2 respective current squads. Ok. With respect, if you are going to make such a claim but dismiss every detail relating to the point, then its not much of a debate😄 What stats/qualities are we comparing here? It only seems like your opinion, which tbh falls over when you consider the fact that they are a league higher. Good chat though 👍🏼 |
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Aug 30, 2023 20:52:04 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 30, 2023 20:52:04 GMT
Again I'm not talking about wage bills. Bristol City's wage bill is probably considerably bigger than Millwalls too, another club that didn't tear league 1 up, but got promoted out of it and have held their own and almost made The Championship Play Offs last season. In my original post I named a few players who imo would get into their team, as would JCH easily if we signed him, considering Nakhi Wells starts every game for them. My initial point was that while they may have far superior facilities than us, that actually they are not miles ahead of us on the pitch when you look at the 2 respective current squads. Ok. With respect, if you are going to make such a claim but dismiss every detail relating to the point, then its not much of a debate😄 What stats/qualities are we comparing here? It only seems like your opinion, which tbh falls over when you consider the fact that they are a league higher. Good chat though 👍🏼 What details have I missed? You've just gone off on a tangent talking about wage bills, training grounds, player sales and transfer fees. Which is far away from the point I was making. Aaron Collins was League 1's Player Of The Season last year, when you consider the players in his position that City have, Anis Mehmeti and Harry Cornick who they signed from Wycombe & Luton, imo he's better than both of them. I think Harvey Vale is too. Ryan Woods played 30 Championship games last season, imo is better than a couple of City's Midfielders. As is Lamare Bogarde imo. Jack Hunt has already played 115 games for them and is arguably still better than George Tanner who they signed from Carlisle. If we sign JCH he's a better goalscorer than Nakhi Wells. Of course it's only my opinion, and imo where they might be miles ahead of us in terms of stadium and infrastructure, I don't think they actually are on the pitch if you match up both squads on paper. Which I know Football isn't played on of course. |
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Post by gashead79 on Aug 30, 2023 20:56:17 GMT
Ok. With respect, if you are going to make such a claim but dismiss every detail relating to the point, then its not much of a debate😄 What stats/qualities are we comparing here? It only seems like your opinion, which tbh falls over when you consider the fact that they are a league higher. Good chat though 👍🏼 What details have I missed? You've just gone off on a tangent talking about wage bills, training grounds, player sales and transfer fees. Which is far away from the point I was making. Aaron Collins was League 1's Player Of The Season last year, when you consider the players in his position that City have, Anis Mehmeti and Harry Cornick who they signed from Wycombe & Luton, imo he's better than both of them. I think Harvey Vale is too. Ryan Woods played 30 Championship games last season, imo is better than a couple of City's Midfielders. As is Lamare Bogarde imo. Jack Hunt has already played 115 games for them and is arguably still better than George Tanner who they signed from Carlisle. If we sign JCH he's a better goalscorer than Nakhi Wells. Of course it's only my opinion, and imo where they might be miles ahead of us in terms of stadium and infrastructure, I don't think they actually are on the pitch if you match up both squads on paper. Which I know Football isn't played on of course. Ok. I disagree. Sorry for going off on a tangent. Cheers. |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Aug 30, 2023 21:19:47 GMT
Ok. With respect, if you are going to make such a claim but dismiss every detail relating to the point, then its not much of a debate😄 What stats/qualities are we comparing here? It only seems like your opinion, which tbh falls over when you consider the fact that they are a league higher. Good chat though 👍🏼 What details have I missed? You've just gone off on a tangent talking about wage bills, training grounds, player sales and transfer fees. Which is far away from the point I was making. Aaron Collins was League 1's Player Of The Season last year, when you consider the players in his position that City have, Anis Mehmeti and Harry Cornick who they signed from Wycombe & Luton, imo he's better than both of them. I think Harvey Vale is too. Ryan Woods played 30 Championship games last season, imo is better than a couple of City's Midfielders. As is Lamare Bogarde imo. Jack Hunt has already played 115 games for them and is arguably still better than George Tanner who they signed from Carlisle. If we sign JCH he's a better goalscorer than Nakhi Wells. Of course it's only my opinion, and imo where they might be miles ahead of us in terms of stadium and infrastructure, I don't think they actually are on the pitch if you match up both squads on paper. Which I know Football isn't played on of course. Woods played the equivalent of 16 championship games last season. Harvey Vale played 76 championship minutes and was then loaned to a lower standard. Lamar Bogarde, again loaned back to Legaue One. Jack Hunt played the equivalent of 8 League One games last season and is… back in League One And whilst players listed aren’t ours but are here for the season naming JCH who isn’t even here 🤣🤣🤣 Faiplay I needed a laugh |
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