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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 31, 2023 12:56:00 GMT
Think I heard this morning that Shapps has held 5 government posts in the last yr 😮 Bonus point for anyone who can name them all ? You might also have read it's his fifth upthread too? 😃 Transport Secretary, Home Secretary, Business Secretary, Energy Security & Net Zero Secretary, plus Defence now.
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Post by francegas on Aug 31, 2023 14:46:47 GMT
Not a good time to call a General Election, lots of pieces of legislation have to pass before the end of 2023, so they can't afford to lose weeks of Parliamentary time before and after an election... ...and yes, in May 2024 the Conservatives will lose (not as heavily as some polls predict) and give Labour five years to fix everything There is always lots of legislation to pass, doesn't stop elections being called. Boris did it in 2019 and lots of very important legislation was lost, including some high profile protections that was in the press at the time. As for the GE, since the Fixed Term Parliament Act was revoked, the GE could be delayed until January 2025 so still plenty of government time. As for the result, too early to predict. I'd expect a Labour majority and the Conservatives to be c.200. A lot depends on how the SNP vote share holds up. Totally agree with your last paragraph. If "Sir" Keir continues with his inability to define what a woman is, continues with his U turns in his policies and continues to support that prat Khan and his ULEZ scheme and Angie with her proposed pay per mile across Britain scheme it may be closer than you think.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 31, 2023 14:57:01 GMT
There is always lots of legislation to pass, doesn't stop elections being called. Boris did it in 2019 and lots of very important legislation was lost, including some high profile protections that was in the press at the time. As for the GE, since the Fixed Term Parliament Act was revoked, the GE could be delayed until January 2025 so still plenty of government time. As for the result, too early to predict. I'd expect a Labour majority and the Conservatives to be c.200. A lot depends on how the SNP vote share holds up. Totally agree with your last paragraph. If "Sir" Keir continues with his inability to define what a woman is, continues with his U turns in his policies and continues to support that prat Khan and his ULEZ scheme and Angie with her proposed pay per mile across Britain scheme it may be closer than you think. Too right , totally agree. That really is the most important thing that this country needs sorting is wether Kier Starmer thinks a woman can have a penis or not 🙄 Pay per mile ( it ain’t happening ) or ulez where 90% of cars are unaffected 🙄 Weird how all the Tories have such a problem with the Muslim London mayor . Can’t think why ? 🤔
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Post by francegas on Aug 31, 2023 15:07:24 GMT
Totally agree with your last paragraph. If "Sir" Keir continues with his inability to define what a woman is, continues with his U turns in his policies and continues to support that prat Khan and his ULEZ scheme and Angie with her proposed pay per mile across Britain scheme it may be closer than you think. Too right , totally agree. That really is the most important thing that this country needs sorting is wether Kier Starmer thinks a woman can have a penis or not 🙄 Pay per mile ( it ain’t happening ) or ulez where 90% of cars are unaffected 🙄 Weird how all the Tories have such a problem with the Muslim London mayor . Can’t think why ? 🤔 That's a typical leftie response. Don't care if he's Muslim, Christian, or any other religion my point is the same. Why is the racist accusation always banded about when it has FA to do with it. Thank God we moved from Hillingdon otherwise it'll have cost us a fortune daily to go to work. And there was me thinking labour was for the working man...probably those whose car are non compliant and will be forced to pay the daily charge.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 31, 2023 15:13:08 GMT
Too right , totally agree. That really is the most important thing that this country needs sorting is wether Kier Starmer thinks a woman can have a penis or not 🙄 Pay per mile ( it ain’t happening ) or ulez where 90% of cars are unaffected 🙄 Weird how all the Tories have such a problem with the Muslim London mayor . Can’t think why ? 🤔 That's a typical leftie response. Don't care if he's Muslim, Christian, or any other religion my point is the same. Why is the racist accusation always banded about when it has FA to do with it. Thank God we moved from Hillingdon otherwise it'll have cost us a fortune daily to go to work. And there was me thinking labour was for the working man...probably those whose car are non compliant and will be forced to pay the daily charge. So what is your problem with Khan ? You do seem to slag him off a lot
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Post by yattongas on Aug 31, 2023 20:55:52 GMT
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Post by supergas on Sept 1, 2023 9:59:12 GMT
Not a good time to call a General Election, lots of pieces of legislation have to pass before the end of 2023, so they can't afford to lose weeks of Parliamentary time before and after an election... ...and yes, in May 2024 the Conservatives will lose (not as heavily as some polls predict) and give Labour five years to fix everything There is always lots of legislation to pass, doesn't stop elections being called. Boris did it in 2019 and lots of very important legislation was lost, including some high profile protections that was in the press at the time. As for the GE, since the Fixed Term Parliament Act was revoked, the GE could be delayed until January 2025 so still plenty of government time. As for the result, too early to predict. I'd expect a Labour majority and the Conservatives to be c.200. A lot depends on how the SNP vote share holds up. Fair point, but the Johnson had to call the General Election in 2019 to pass the key legislation ensuring Brexit happened with a decent deal and didn't drag on any longer - and now we have The Retained EU Law Act 2023 meaning a lot of key things do have to be looked at by Parliament before 31st December 2023, so there are no unexpected consequences on Jan 1st...
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Post by supergas on Sept 1, 2023 10:19:47 GMT
Weird how all the Tories have such a problem with the Muslim London mayor . Can’t think why ? 🤔 ...maybe it's because he's not very good and consistently fails to deliver. For example, under the Council Homes for Londoners 2021-2026 programme the government is giving him £4 billion over five years...as of mid-2023 the number of homes built is zero... ...he wants to bring in Rent Controls, despite the failures of identical polices in Glasgow, Edinburgh, New York, Berlin, and quite a few other cities - in fact I can't think of a city where Rent Controls have had the desired effect and not made the overall situation worse... ...even though I can see the benefits of ULEZ, he's used dodgy (sometimes completely misleading) stats to justify it's expansion, whilst ignoring the levels of (toxic) particulates in the London Underground - the obvious service people will use if they can't afford to run their older cars.... ...I think that covers the last eight months, should we look back further...?
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Post by oldie on Sept 1, 2023 11:58:44 GMT
Weird how all the Tories have such a problem with the Muslim London mayor . Can’t think why ? 🤔 ...maybe it's because he's not very good and consistently fails to deliver. For example, under the Council Homes for Londoners 2021-2026 programme the government is giving him £4 billion over five years...as of mid-2023 the number of homes built is zero... ...he wants to bring in Rent Controls, despite the failures of identical polices in Glasgow, Edinburgh, New York, Berlin, and quite a few other cities - in fact I can't think of a city where Rent Controls have had the desired effect and not made the overall situation worse... ...even though I can see the benefits of ULEZ, he's used dodgy (sometimes completely misleading) stats to justify it's expansion, whilst ignoring the levels of (toxic) particulates in the London Underground - the obvious service people will use if they can't afford to run their older cars.... ...I think that covers the last eight months, should we look back further...? "..even though I can see the benefits of ULEZ, he's used dodgy (sometimes completely misleading) stats to justify it's expansion, whilst ignoring the levels of (toxic) particulates in the London Underground - the obvious service people will use if they can't afford to run their older cars...." It was Tory policy to expand ULEZ. In fact under a TFL funding agreement the expansion of ULEZ was mandated by that contractual arrangement. The Transport Secretary at the time was Grant Shapps.....the current minister for media messaging, oops, I mean Defence Secretary
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Post by yattongas on Sept 1, 2023 14:16:16 GMT
Weird how all the Tories have such a problem with the Muslim London mayor . Can’t think why ? 🤔 ...maybe it's because he's not very good and consistently fails to deliver. For example, under the Council Homes for Londoners 2021-2026 programme the government is giving him £4 billion over five years...as of mid-2023 the number of homes built is zero... ...he wants to bring in Rent Controls, despite the failures of identical polices in Glasgow, Edinburgh, New York, Berlin, and quite a few other cities - in fact I can't think of a city where Rent Controls have had the desired effect and not made the overall situation worse... ...even though I can see the benefits of ULEZ, he's used dodgy (sometimes completely misleading) stats to justify it's expansion, whilst ignoring the levels of (toxic) particulates in the London Underground - the obvious service people will use if they can't afford to run their older cars.... ...I think that covers the last eight months, should we look back further...? Sadiq Khan said London councils started more homes last year than any time since the 1970s (picture: GLA) Sadiq Khan said London councils started more homes last year than any time since the 1970s (picture: GLA) Sharelines Twitter IHSadiq Khan has hit his target of starting 20,000 council-built homes by 2024, figures released by the Greater London Authority show #UKhousing The mayor of London, who set the goal in 2018, said he had achieved his ambitions a year early. In the past five years, work began on 23,000 new council homes funded by City Hall, the equivalent of 13 new council homes being started every day since 2018. Of the 23,000 new starts, more than 10,000 began in the past year alone. Mr Khan said that work began on more council-built homes in the capital in 2022 than any year since the 1970s. He added that London was building double the council housing of the rest of England combined. The 4,325 council homes that were started in the rest of England was a “national scandal”, he said, and called for new government funding exclusively for council homes. READ MORE How can London boroughs get better at managing their council housing? How can London boroughs get better at managing their council housing? Sadiq Khan pledges extra £2m to tackle rough sleeping in London Sadiq Khan pledges extra £2m to tackle rough sleeping in London The GLA said that more than 10,000 of the council homes started in London in 2022-23 received funding from the mayor and all London boroughs recorded the delivery of new council homes with GLA funding in 2022. Mr Khan was set to announce the latest figures this morning on a visit to Stonebridge Hillside, a scheme developed by Brent Council. The development is made up of 22 four-bedroom houses and 51 flats, all of which will be let at social rent. “We’ve hit our ambitious target early,” Mr Khan said, adding that it was “a key part of my plans to build a better, fairer London for everyone. “The fact that latest available figures show that only 4,325 council homes were started over a year in the rest of England is a national scandal. Council housebuilding has essentially come to a halt, which is why I’m calling on ministers to urgently set up a new government fund exclusively committed to funding new council homes across the country.” Darren Rodwell, executive member for regeneration, housing and planning at London Councils, welcomed Mr Khan’s announcement. “Boroughs are proud to be building the next generation of council homes across the capital,” he said. “London’s housing pressures remain immense. Although we’re pleased with the progress being made, we remain absolutely determined to keep driving up delivery and building the homes our communities are crying out for.” London Councils estimates that 166,000 Londoners – equivalent to the entire population of Oxford – are homeless and living in temporary accommodation.
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Post by francegas on Sept 1, 2023 14:17:17 GMT
ONS admit UK economy reached pre-covid levels almost two years ago. So not all doom and gloom.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 1, 2023 14:20:55 GMT
ONS admit UK economy reached pre-covid levels almost two years ago. So not all doom and gloom. EU countries on average 2.7% higher and uk 0.2 lower as of Q2 2023 . So we’re lagging behind 🙄🇬🇧
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 1, 2023 22:31:09 GMT
There is always lots of legislation to pass, doesn't stop elections being called. Boris did it in 2019 and lots of very important legislation was lost, including some high profile protections that was in the press at the time. As for the GE, since the Fixed Term Parliament Act was revoked, the GE could be delayed until January 2025 so still plenty of government time. As for the result, too early to predict. I'd expect a Labour majority and the Conservatives to be c.200. A lot depends on how the SNP vote share holds up. Fair point, but the Johnson had to call the General Election in 2019 to pass the key legislation ensuring Brexit happened with a decent deal and didn't drag on any longer - and now we have The Retained EU Law Act 2023 meaning a lot of key things do have to be looked at by Parliament before 31st December 2023, so there are no unexpected consequences on Jan 1st... True about the Retained EU Law Act but the premise was about calling an election now (hypothetically as Sunak wouldn't) and a Labour government could defer the deadline. As regards Johnson getting a decent deal rather than a cliff edge, we'll have to disagree there.
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Post by supergas on Sept 2, 2023 9:29:19 GMT
...maybe it's because he's not very good and consistently fails to deliver. For example, under the Council Homes for Londoners 2021-2026 programme the government is giving him £4 billion over five years...as of mid-2023 the number of homes built is zero... ...he wants to bring in Rent Controls, despite the failures of identical polices in Glasgow, Edinburgh, New York, Berlin, and quite a few other cities - in fact I can't think of a city where Rent Controls have had the desired effect and not made the overall situation worse... ...even though I can see the benefits of ULEZ, he's used dodgy (sometimes completely misleading) stats to justify it's expansion, whilst ignoring the levels of (toxic) particulates in the London Underground - the obvious service people will use if they can't afford to run their older cars.... ...I think that covers the last eight months, should we look back further...? "..even though I can see the benefits of ULEZ, he's used dodgy (sometimes completely misleading) stats to justify it's expansion, whilst ignoring the levels of (toxic) particulates in the London Underground - the obvious service people will use if they can't afford to run their older cars...." It was Tory policy to expand ULEZ. In fact under a TFL funding agreement the expansion of ULEZ was mandated by that contractual arrangement. The Transport Secretary at the time was Grant Shapps.....the current minister for media messaging, oops, I mean Defence Secretary No, it wasn't Conservative nor government policy to expand the ULEZ are. I'm assuming you got this information from the many social media channels that completely misrepresented the funding agreement between the government and TFL/the Mayor of London, but it's easily explained. Firstly here's the full-fact response. They're not always completely factual themselves but are pretty good this time - fullfact.org/online/ulez-expansion-letter/The letter (https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mgla190520-2101_-_foi_response_redacted.pdf) doesn't state any government or party policy - it's reminding Khan/TFL that *before* the government gives them an up to £1bn bailout to keep services running, they have to agree to continue to implement every available option they have to raise money themselves - including the congestion charges for Central London and the ULEZ charges/proposed expansion. It was just a logical requirement that before you give someone a shed-load of cash to bail them out, you make sure they are already raising as much as they can, rather than using a funding crisis to ditch or delay unpopular policies...
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Post by supergas on Sept 2, 2023 9:54:50 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 2, 2023 10:07:18 GMT
"..even though I can see the benefits of ULEZ, he's used dodgy (sometimes completely misleading) stats to justify it's expansion, whilst ignoring the levels of (toxic) particulates in the London Underground - the obvious service people will use if they can't afford to run their older cars...." It was Tory policy to expand ULEZ. In fact under a TFL funding agreement the expansion of ULEZ was mandated by that contractual arrangement. The Transport Secretary at the time was Grant Shapps.....the current minister for media messaging, oops, I mean Defence Secretary No, it wasn't Conservative nor government policy to expand the ULEZ are. I'm assuming you got this information from the many social media channels that completely misrepresented the funding agreement between the government and TFL/the Mayor of London, but it's easily explained. Firstly here's the full-fact response. They're not always completely factual themselves but are pretty good this time - fullfact.org/online/ulez-expansion-letter/The letter (https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mgla190520-2101_-_foi_response_redacted.pdf) doesn't state any government or party policy - it's reminding Khan/TFL that *before* the government gives them an up to £1bn bailout to keep services running, they have to agree to continue to implement every available option they have to raise money themselves - including the congestion charges for Central London and the ULEZ charges/proposed expansion. It was just a logical requirement that before you give someone a shed-load of cash to bail them out, you make sure they are already raising as much as they can, rather than using a funding crisis to ditch or delay unpopular policies... Well researched But whatever the motivation it was Mr Shapps who blackmailed TFL and the London local government into expanding ULEZ if they were to agree to the TFL funding arrangements. What's even more laughable now is Mark Harper shouting that ULEZ is a money raising exercise and not much to do with air quality. Well, as you claim, Supergas. The buck stops not at City Hall but within the current cabinet in Whitehall
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Post by yattongas on Sept 2, 2023 10:15:23 GMT
"..even though I can see the benefits of ULEZ, he's used dodgy (sometimes completely misleading) stats to justify it's expansion, whilst ignoring the levels of (toxic) particulates in the London Underground - the obvious service people will use if they can't afford to run their older cars...." It was Tory policy to expand ULEZ. In fact under a TFL funding agreement the expansion of ULEZ was mandated by that contractual arrangement. The Transport Secretary at the time was Grant Shapps.....the current minister for media messaging, oops, I mean Defence Secretary No, it wasn't Conservative nor government policy to expand the ULEZ are. I'm assuming you got this information from the many social media channels that completely misrepresented the funding agreement between the government and TFL/the Mayor of London, but it's easily explained. Firstly here's the full-fact response. They're not always completely factual themselves but are pretty good this time - fullfact.org/online/ulez-expansion-letter/The letter (https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mgla190520-2101_-_foi_response_redacted.pdf) doesn't state any government or party policy - it's reminding Khan/TFL that *before* the government gives them an up to £1bn bailout to keep services running, they have to agree to continue to implement every available option they have to raise money themselves - including the congestion charges for Central London and the ULEZ charges/proposed expansion. It was just a logical requirement that before you give someone a shed-load of cash to bail them out, you make sure they are already raising as much as they can, rather than using a funding crisis to ditch or delay unpopular policies... “Here’s the full fact response, they’re not always factual but on this occasion I’ll use them to support my case “ 😂🙄
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Post by supergas on Sept 2, 2023 10:41:11 GMT
No, it wasn't Conservative nor government policy to expand the ULEZ are. I'm assuming you got this information from the many social media channels that completely misrepresented the funding agreement between the government and TFL/the Mayor of London, but it's easily explained. Firstly here's the full-fact response. They're not always completely factual themselves but are pretty good this time - fullfact.org/online/ulez-expansion-letter/The letter (https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mgla190520-2101_-_foi_response_redacted.pdf) doesn't state any government or party policy - it's reminding Khan/TFL that *before* the government gives them an up to £1bn bailout to keep services running, they have to agree to continue to implement every available option they have to raise money themselves - including the congestion charges for Central London and the ULEZ charges/proposed expansion. It was just a logical requirement that before you give someone a shed-load of cash to bail them out, you make sure they are already raising as much as they can, rather than using a funding crisis to ditch or delay unpopular policies... Well researched But whatever the motivation it was Mr Shapps who blackmailed TFL and the London local government into expanding ULEZ if they were to agree to the TFL funding arrangements. What's even more laughable now is Mark Harper shouting that ULEZ is a money raising exercise and not much to do with air quality. Well, as you claim, Supergas. The buck stops not at City Hall but within the current cabinet in Whitehall Pretty sure blackmail is when you force someone else to give you £1bn, not when you are giving them £1bn and simply asking them to follow some very sensible business expectations...these were plans the Mayor/TFL had in place already that were simply delayed by covid, and they were designed to raise money with air quality being an afterthought... ...and this buck (pound) stops at City Hall. Khan can't balance a budget when a crisis happens, needs a government bailout and yet people on social media immediately jump to completely the wrong conclusion about what happened/why it happened....
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Post by supergas on Sept 2, 2023 10:43:46 GMT
“Here’s the full fact response, they’re not always factual but on this occasion I’ll use them to support my case “ 😂🙄 Yes, Full-Fact has an in-built bias which means their name is not always accurate. So when I read their pieces (and to be clear, they were not my primary or secondary source of information on this story) I always double check everything they claim. In this case they have a decent summary with links to the evidence, so it's the easiest source to point someone to so they can read what actually happened...
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Post by oldie on Sept 2, 2023 11:35:52 GMT
Well researched But whatever the motivation it was Mr Shapps who blackmailed TFL and the London local government into expanding ULEZ if they were to agree to the TFL funding arrangements. What's even more laughable now is Mark Harper shouting that ULEZ is a money raising exercise and not much to do with air quality. Well, as you claim, Supergas. The buck stops not at City Hall but within the current cabinet in Whitehall Pretty sure blackmail is when you force someone else to give you £1bn, not when you are giving them £1bn and simply asking them to follow some very sensible business expectations...these were plans the Mayor/TFL had in place already that were simply delayed by covid, and they were designed to raise money with air quality being an afterthought... ...and this buck (pound) stops at City Hall. Khan can't balance a budget when a crisis happens, needs a government bailout and yet people on social media immediately jump to completely the wrong conclusion about what happened/why it happened.... Pretty sure that Shapps intentions were clear. Agree to expand ULEZ or the funding for TFL will be withheld. Either way you spin it, that's what happened.
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