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Post by yattongas on Oct 18, 2023 10:58:24 GMT
The onl thing that will prevent a Labour win next year is some unforeseen,shoot in the foot cock up! Labour could shoot themselves in both feet, both knees, the crotch and at least one upper arm and still win the next General Election. What's more interesting is what they are shooting at and whether they hit themselves or not... ...for a simple win, they don't "fire their gun" at all, they just carry on as they are, something between New-Labour-Lite and 'Anyone-But-The-Tories' and win a 75-100 seat majority and risk the Tories regrouping by 2029... ...or they could target the 'Red Wall' and the SNP in Scotland. This is very much risk vs reward as (under the current SNP and Conservative leadership) there are another 50-75 seats up for grabs - it will cost more money, it will mean putting some policies in play Starmer probably doesn't want to, but *if* it works the reward is almost certainly a two-term government... ...I don't think Starmer is much of a gambler, I think he will fire one or two shots and if either backfire he'll settle for the comfortable win over the massive win... I think he might start gambling a bit more if the polls stay pretty much where they are now with 6 months to go. A huge majority gives him the mandate to be a bit more radical and dare I say it a bit more left .
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 18, 2023 11:05:48 GMT
The onl thing that will prevent a Labour win next year is some unforeseen,shoot in the foot cock up! Labour could shoot themselves in both feet, both knees, the crotch and at least one upper arm and still win the next General Election. What's more interesting is what they are shooting at and whether they hit themselves or not... ...for a simple win, they don't "fire their gun" at all, they just carry on as they are, something between New-Labour-Lite and 'Anyone-But-The-Tories' and win a 75-100 seat majority and risk the Tories regrouping by 2029... ...or they could target the 'Red Wall' and the SNP in Scotland. This is very much risk vs reward as (under the current SNP and Conservative leadership) there are another 50-75 seats up for grabs - it will cost more money, it will mean putting some policies in play Starmer probably doesn't want to, but *if* it works the reward is almost certainly a two-term government... ...I don't think Starmer is much of a gambler, I think he will fire one or two shots and if either backfire he'll settle for the comfortable win over the massive win... Has anyone seen Kier Starmer and Gareth Southgate in the same room? 😶
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Post by supergas on Oct 18, 2023 11:25:49 GMT
Labour could shoot themselves in both feet, both knees, the crotch and at least one upper arm and still win the next General Election. What's more interesting is what they are shooting at and whether they hit themselves or not... ...for a simple win, they don't "fire their gun" at all, they just carry on as they are, something between New-Labour-Lite and 'Anyone-But-The-Tories' and win a 75-100 seat majority and risk the Tories regrouping by 2029... ...or they could target the 'Red Wall' and the SNP in Scotland. This is very much risk vs reward as (under the current SNP and Conservative leadership) there are another 50-75 seats up for grabs - it will cost more money, it will mean putting some policies in play Starmer probably doesn't want to, but *if* it works the reward is almost certainly a two-term government... ...I don't think Starmer is much of a gambler, I think he will fire one or two shots and if either backfire he'll settle for the comfortable win over the massive win... I think he might start gambling a bit more if the polls stay pretty much where they are now with 6 months to go. A huge majority gives him the mandate to be a bit more radical and dare I say it a bit more left . ...the polls almost always close as the election gets closer, for a wide variety of reasons - but Starmer should stick to his beliefs in terms of manifesto policies. So when we learn what those beliefs/policies are, we can all make a better judgement on what will happen....
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Post by oldie on Oct 18, 2023 11:51:52 GMT
Not sure what the relevance of a Scottish town has to do with it, but wearing red? Call yourself a Rovers fan?? 😁 Politics and sport don't mix. 😂😂😂👏
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2023 5:10:46 GMT
2-0 Labour
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2023 9:26:51 GMT
Struggling to understand this result , my great pal France tells me that the Tories are doing a grand job and Gulf tells me that Brexit is going well . They lost in a Brexity area Tamworth and they lost in a Tory heartlands mid Bucks.
Help me understand?
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Post by supergas on Oct 20, 2023 9:55:08 GMT
Struggling to understand this result , my great pal France tells me that the Tories are doing a grand job and Gulf tells me that Brexit is going well . They lost in a Brexity area Tamworth and they lost in a Tory heartlands mid Bucks. Help me understand? You can be doing a good job and still be unpopular....
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2023 9:57:42 GMT
Struggling to understand this result , my great pal France tells me that the Tories are doing a grand job and Gulf tells me that Brexit is going well . They lost in a Brexity area Tamworth and they lost in a Tory heartlands mid Bucks. Help me understand? You can be doing a good job and still be unpopular.... A good job ? 😂😂😂 Blimey, all life is here !
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Post by supergas on Oct 20, 2023 10:22:39 GMT
You can be doing a good job and still be unpopular.... A good job ? 😂😂😂 Blimey, all life is here ! ...clearly no point explaining why sitting governments often lose by-elections, sure you already know the myriad of factors that often lead to that... I note you brought up Brexit though, do Alistair Strathern and Sarah Edwards support rejoining the EU?
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Post by oldie on Oct 20, 2023 10:42:22 GMT
A good job ? 😂😂😂 Blimey, all life is here ! ...clearly no point explaining why sitting governments often lose by-elections, sure you already know the myriad of factors that often lead to that... I note you brought up Brexit though, do Alistair Strathern and Sarah Edwards support rejoining the EU? It's an old line that all parties trot out when they lose a bye election. What is most damaging for this government is not just the loss, but the number of votes gained by both the Labour and Lib Dem parties. Either way you play this a stinging defeat is looking likely at the next GE for the Tories. As for doing a "good job"...words fail me.
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Post by Gassy on Oct 20, 2023 10:49:41 GMT
Struggling to understand this result , my great pal France tells me that the Tories are doing a grand job and Gulf tells me that Brexit is going well . They lost in a Brexity area Tamworth and they lost in a Tory heartlands mid Bucks. Help me understand? You can be doing a good job and still be unpopular.... I can’t tell if you’re just trying to explain how it is in theory possible, or whether you actually believe they’re doing a good job?
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2023 11:04:03 GMT
A good job ? 😂😂😂 Blimey, all life is here ! ...clearly no point explaining why sitting governments often lose by-elections, sure you already know the myriad of factors that often lead to that... I note you brought up Brexit though, do Alistair Strathern and Sarah Edwards support rejoining the EU? You are Greg Hands and I claim my £5 prize 🙄😂 And no they don’t call for it but I bet if you ask them privately they would . They’re just towing the party line ‘make Brexit work’ which is absolute nonsense. The point was that a heavily Brexit voting area turns on the party that facilitated it ….. their lives are no better ( shock horror 🙄) out of interest….. were you pro Brexit and if you were are you still ?
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Post by supergas on Oct 20, 2023 11:30:59 GMT
You can be doing a good job and still be unpopular.... I can’t tell if you’re just trying to explain how it is in theory possible, or whether you actually believe they’re doing a good job? ...they're not as bad as their political opponents claim and not as good as they (or someone else could be) - lots of issues to deal with, not all handled well, but overall still better than most governments in most countries around the world at the moment...
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Post by oldie on Oct 20, 2023 11:35:18 GMT
I can’t tell if you’re just trying to explain how it is in theory possible, or whether you actually believe they’re doing a good job? ...they're not as bad as their political opponents claim and not as good as they (or someone else could be) - lots of issues to deal with, not all handled well, but overall still better than most governments in most countries around the world at the moment... Wow, the Tories are governing better than Putin in Russia!!! Quite a reference. Or were you referring to Zimbabwe? We need to know🤔
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Post by supergas on Oct 20, 2023 11:46:51 GMT
...clearly no point explaining why sitting governments often lose by-elections, sure you already know the myriad of factors that often lead to that... I note you brought up Brexit though, do Alistair Strathern and Sarah Edwards support rejoining the EU? You are Greg Hands and I claim my £5 prize 🙄😂 And no they don’t call for it but I bet if you ask them privately they would . They’re just towing the party line ‘make Brexit work’ which is absolute nonsense. The point was that a heavily Brexit voting area turns on the party that facilitated it ….. their lives are no better ( shock horror 🙄) out of interest….. were you pro Brexit and if you were are you still ? Happy to tell you my position on Brexit at the time of the referendum - my head said leave and my heart said remain. My body was busy getting into Glastonbury Festival on a workers pass so I never actually cast my vote. To this day if I had returned my postal vote I don't know which way I would have gone (and I have thought about it a *lot*). Good job the majority was 1.3 million and not just one.... ...ever since I have seen what the EU has done to "protect" itself from a country that had the temerity to leave....it's a bit like the mafia, you only get to see the bigger problems with the institution once you try to get out. So now my head and heart have swapped - now my head says it would have been much easier to stay in and fix it from the inside, whilst my heart asks why the EU has done all the things it's done since the referendum...
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Post by oldie on Oct 20, 2023 11:54:58 GMT
You are Greg Hands and I claim my £5 prize 🙄😂 And no they don’t call for it but I bet if you ask them privately they would . They’re just towing the party line ‘make Brexit work’ which is absolute nonsense. The point was that a heavily Brexit voting area turns on the party that facilitated it ….. their lives are no better ( shock horror 🙄) out of interest….. were you pro Brexit and if you were are you still ? Happy to tell you my position on Brexit at the time of the referendum - my head said leave and my heart said remain. My body was busy getting into Glastonbury Festival on a workers pass so I never actually cast my vote. To this day if I had returned my postal vote I don't know which way I would have gone (and I have thought about it a *lot*). Good job the majority was 1.3 million and not just one.... ...ever since I have seen what the EU has done to "protect" itself from a country that had the temerity to leave....it's a bit like the mafia, you only get to see the bigger problems with the institution once you try to get out. So now my head and heart have swapped - now my head says it would have been much easier to stay in and fix it from the inside, whilst my heart asks why the EU has done all the things it's done since the referendum... Wow A few Daily Mail headlines in that post What exactly did the EU do to "protect" itself from us?
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Post by Gassy on Oct 20, 2023 12:01:05 GMT
I can’t tell if you’re just trying to explain how it is in theory possible, or whether you actually believe they’re doing a good job? ...they're not as bad as their political opponents claim and not as good as they (or someone else could be) - lots of issues to deal with, not all handled well, but overall still better than most governments in most countries around the world at the moment... You can't compare the UK government against North Korea. Which comparable countries/governments do you think they're performing better than? It also didn't really answer the question whether you actually think they're doing a good job?
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Post by supergas on Oct 20, 2023 12:03:17 GMT
Happy to tell you my position on Brexit at the time of the referendum - my head said leave and my heart said remain. My body was busy getting into Glastonbury Festival on a workers pass so I never actually cast my vote. To this day if I had returned my postal vote I don't know which way I would have gone (and I have thought about it a *lot*). Good job the majority was 1.3 million and not just one.... ...ever since I have seen what the EU has done to "protect" itself from a country that had the temerity to leave....it's a bit like the mafia, you only get to see the bigger problems with the institution once you try to get out. So now my head and heart have swapped - now my head says it would have been much easier to stay in and fix it from the inside, whilst my heart asks why the EU has done all the things it's done since the referendum... Wow A few Daily Mail headlines in that post What exactly did the EU do to "protect" itself from us? The Single Market is a protectionist structure. That's not a Daily Mail headline or a right-wing claim, it's the design of the whole thing. The single market was in general great for the UK and under the EEC/EC we had huge benefits for many years - but then it got tied into political union as it became the EU and that's where the issues started and a decision had to be taken. The biggest problem with the EU was Article 50 - they had never considered how a country could leave and (when one chose to) nearly every decision they took penalised the UK for leaving in economic ways, despite their political treaties saying they should treat close neighbours who were not members on favourable terms...
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Post by supergas on Oct 20, 2023 12:10:48 GMT
...they're not as bad as their political opponents claim and not as good as they (or someone else could be) - lots of issues to deal with, not all handled well, but overall still better than most governments in most countries around the world at the moment... You can't compare the UK government against North Korea. Which comparable countries/governments do you think they're performing better than? It also didn't really answer the question whether you actually think they're doing a good job? ...there are nearly 200 countries across the world, not sure why you and Oldie have chosen North Korea, Russia and Zimbabwe as your comparisons... ...is the UK government doing a better job than the Italian government? The Spanish government? The South African government? The Malaysian government? The Brazilian government? Depends on what criteria you measure/judge them. At the top level, the country's not bankrupt, the electricity, gas and water is still on, no one in invading us, there are still jobs for people who want to work and *slightly tounge-in-cheek* lots of people seem to want to live in the UK bypassing lots of comparable countries en-route....
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Post by oldie on Oct 20, 2023 12:14:37 GMT
Wow A few Daily Mail headlines in that post What exactly did the EU do to "protect" itself from us? The Single Market is a protectionist structure. That's not a Daily Mail headline or a right-wing claim, it's the design of the whole thing. The single market was in general great for the UK and under the EEC/EC we had huge benefits for many years - but then it got tied into political union as it became the EU and that's where the issues started and a decision had to be taken. The biggest problem with the EU was Article 50 - they had never considered how a country could leave and (when one chose to) nearly every decision they took penalised the UK for leaving in economic ways, despite their political treaties saying they should treat close neighbours who were not members on favourable terms... You still actually believe that? Ah well
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