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Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2023 9:28:35 GMT
Nigel Farage claims he will be Tory leader by 2026. How do those on the right feel about this possibly happening? Would you be happy or concerned? Do you think this would be a good thing for the Tory party and do you think it would increase your chances of winning future elections? That would break up the Tory Partyin my opinion. I agree but would be interested to hear the thoughts of our right wing friends, francegas supergas gulfofaden @79……. Actually scrap that last one 😂🙄!
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Post by gulfofaden on Oct 22, 2023 10:13:12 GMT
That would break up the Tory Partyin my opinion. I agree but would be interested to hear the thoughts of our right wing friends, francegas supergas gulfofaden @79……. Actually scrap that last one 😂🙄! Farage is too reactionary and too narrow appeal to be a winning strategy. Farage is too divisive with a large part of the population and would garner Trump-Esque levels of “Reeee” from the media and a lot of other places. I would like to see a sensible liberal (in the old sense, not new) politician. Politics is too factionalised at the moment, we could do with some boring centrism TBH.
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Post by oldie on Oct 22, 2023 11:30:13 GMT
I agree but would be interested to hear the thoughts of our right wing friends, francegas supergas gulfofaden @79……. Actually scrap that last one 😂🙄! Farage is too reactionary and too narrow appeal to be a winning strategy. Farage is too divisive with a large part of the population and would garner Trump-Esque levels of “Reeee” from the media and a lot of other places. I would like to see a sensible liberal (in the old sense, not new) politician. Politics is too factionalised at the moment, we could do with some boring centrism TBH. Blimey. Absolutely correct.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2023 11:35:51 GMT
Farage is too reactionary and too narrow appeal to be a winning strategy. Farage is too divisive with a large part of the population and would garner Trump-Esque levels of “Reeee” from the media and a lot of other places. I would like to see a sensible liberal (in the old sense, not new) politician. Politics is too factionalised at the moment, we could do with some boring centrism TBH. Blimey. Absolutely correct. There’s hope ! 😂👍
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Post by supergas on Oct 25, 2023 9:58:28 GMT
...in terms of the Northern Ireland Protocol/Windsor framework, 'special' arrangements were required by the EU (not the UK) to not break the Good Friday Agreement but still protect the border under their requirements. At this (and every other UK border) the UK wants/needs no checks on goods coming from going to the EU - all the checks, all the regulations are from the EU side.... Obvs ….. because they have the single market that they want to protect it . What’s hard to understand about that ? Leave the club and you have checks on goods going and soon to be goods coming . Are we still seriously having this discussion 6 yrs later 🙄😂 ...so the problem becomes that Northern Ireland (and therefore by extension the UK) cannot leave the Single Market completely... ...let that sink in for a minute. After the UK has decided to leave, it still cannot fully cut ties because of a dilemma - leave the Single Market and have a border on the island of Ireland *or* a complicated half-in half-out system where although no one is happy, the UK is shafted and the EU is protected....
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2023 10:11:04 GMT
Obvs ….. because they have the single market that they want to protect it . What’s hard to understand about that ? Leave the club and you have checks on goods going and soon to be goods coming . Are we still seriously having this discussion 6 yrs later 🙄😂 ...so the problem becomes that Northern Ireland (and therefore by extension the UK) cannot leave the Single Market completely... ...let that sink in for a minute. After the UK has decided to leave, it still cannot fully cut ties because of a dilemma - leave the Single Market and have a border on the island of Ireland *or* a complicated half-in half-out system where although no one is happy, the UK is shafted and the EU is protected.... Northern Ireland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU 🙄
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Post by supergas on Oct 25, 2023 10:16:54 GMT
That would break up the Tory Partyin my opinion. I agree but would be interested to hear the thoughts of our right wing friends, francegas supergas gulfofaden @79……. Actually scrap that last one 😂🙄! The Conservatives "Corbyn moment"? Farage would certainly have a similar impact inside the party, splitting it down the existing fractures, growing some factions and potentially forcing those with opposing views to leave. Which is why he's unlikely to be elected leader... *If* he was elected, what would happen in terms of the electorate? It's borderline irrelevant for the first couple of years of opposition, as it was under Blair where the Conservatives churned through leaders (Hague, Duncan-Smith, Howard). What's more important is how the party rebuilds in opposition which is the second reason he'd never be elected leader... ...it *would* be interesting though
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 25, 2023 10:17:00 GMT
Obvs ….. because they have the single market that they want to protect it . What’s hard to understand about that ? Leave the club and you have checks on goods going and soon to be goods coming . Are we still seriously having this discussion 6 yrs later 🙄😂 ...so the problem becomes that Northern Ireland (and therefore by extension the UK) cannot leave the Single Market completely... ...let that sink in for a minute. After the UK has decided to leave, it still cannot fully cut ties because of a dilemma - leave the Single Market and have a border on the island of Ireland *or* a complicated half-in half-out system where although no one is happy, the UK is shafted and the EU is protected.... Or we could have taken a Swiss or Norway model, stayed in, or aligned to, the SM and CU leaving 80%+ of the country content including many Brexit voters. The NI issue was made aware during the referendum. It was Boris who didn't really pay attention, signing anything that allowed him to say 'Get Brexit Done'. Well, we got done alright.
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Post by supergas on Oct 25, 2023 10:17:26 GMT
...so the problem becomes that Northern Ireland (and therefore by extension the UK) cannot leave the Single Market completely... ...let that sink in for a minute. After the UK has decided to leave, it still cannot fully cut ties because of a dilemma - leave the Single Market and have a border on the island of Ireland *or* a complicated half-in half-out system where although no one is happy, the UK is shafted and the EU is protected.... Northern Ireland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU 🙄 ...irrelevant to the point I'm making...
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2023 10:19:50 GMT
Northern Ireland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU 🙄 ...irrelevant to the point I'm making... But factual. May put down her red lines , part of the reason we’re in the mess we are .
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 25, 2023 10:20:06 GMT
In other news, no fault eviction is not to be banned, conversion therapy will not be in the King's Speech, and the banker bonus cap had been removed.
Seems wage rises are inflationary for some but not others.
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Post by supergas on Oct 25, 2023 10:38:18 GMT
...irrelevant to the point I'm making... But factual. May put down her red lines , part of the reason we’re in the mess we are . Northern Ireland wasn't voting to leave/remain in the EU, the UK was. So how Northern Ireland voted is irrelevant...
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2023 10:38:59 GMT
In other news, no fault eviction is not to be banned, conversion therapy will not be in the King's Speech, and the banker bonus cap had been removed. Seems wage rises are inflationary for some but not others. Remember scrapping the limits on bankers bonus was a Brexit bones according to kwasi 🙄 Obvs we’re all really happy about that 👍
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2023 10:40:14 GMT
But factual. May put down her red lines , part of the reason we’re in the mess we are . Northern Ireland wasn't voting to leave/remain in the EU, the UK was. So how Northern Ireland voted is irrelevant... So they have just do what they’re told ? Thought you were against that sort of thing
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Post by supergas on Oct 25, 2023 10:54:11 GMT
Northern Ireland wasn't voting to leave/remain in the EU, the UK was. So how Northern Ireland voted is irrelevant... So they have just do what they’re told ? Thought you were against that sort of thing Northern Ireland can leave the UK any time it wants, there is a very clear path defined in the GFA *if* the politics start to move in that direction. But whilst it remains in the UK it is a small part of a bigger country and every person's vote has the same weight as every other person across the UK...
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2023 10:59:29 GMT
So they have just do what they’re told ? Thought you were against that sort of thing Northern Ireland can leave the UK any time it wants, there is a very clear path defined in the GFA *if* the politics start to move in that direction. But whilst it remains in the UK it is a small part of a bigger country and every person's vote has the same weight as every other person across the UK... Are you one of those little Englanders who’d happily see the union break up ? You know the type , those absolute weapons sorts who used to shout go wto ? 🙄 Anyway, all this is a bit weird chatting with a Gashead who lives in Australia but thinks those of us left here should be happy that we’re out of the EU .
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Post by supergas on Oct 25, 2023 12:00:08 GMT
Northern Ireland can leave the UK any time it wants, there is a very clear path defined in the GFA *if* the politics start to move in that direction. But whilst it remains in the UK it is a small part of a bigger country and every person's vote has the same weight as every other person across the UK... Are you one of those little Englanders who’d happily see the union break up ? You know the type , those absolute weapons sorts who used to shout go wto ? 🙄 Anyway, all this is a bit weird chatting with a Gashead who lives in Australia but thinks those of us left here should be happy that we’re out of the EU . Nice change of topic...you're even worse than some of the people debating politics on Facebook, just stick to one topic, start a new post if you want to change the topic... Any reply that actually relates to what I posted?
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2023 12:22:00 GMT
Are you one of those little Englanders who’d happily see the union break up ? You know the type , those absolute weapons sorts who used to shout go wto ? 🙄 Anyway, all this is a bit weird chatting with a Gashead who lives in Australia but thinks those of us left here should be happy that we’re out of the EU . Nice change of topic...you're even worse than some of the people debating politics on Facebook, just stick to one topic, start a new post if you want to change the topic... Any reply that actually relates to what I posted? I’ll post what I like thanks 😘 ps I don’t do Facebook, unlike you 🙄
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2023 22:45:47 GMT
I agree but would be interested to hear the thoughts of our right wing friends, francegas supergas gulfofaden @79……. Actually scrap that last one 😂🙄! The Conservatives "Corbyn moment"? Farage would certainly have a similar impact inside the party, splitting it down the existing fractures, growing some factions and potentially forcing those with opposing views to leave. Which is why he's unlikely to be elected leader... *If* he was elected, what would happen in terms of the electorate? It's borderline irrelevant for the first couple of years of opposition, as it was under Blair where the Conservatives churned through leaders (Hague, Duncan-Smith, Howard). What's more important is how the party rebuilds in opposition which is the second reason he'd never be elected leader... ...it *would* be interesting though I’d bet it was more of a shoe in if its put to the (ukip) membership . Not sure I agree with your “interesting” comment. More ‘worrying’ for the right side of politics and the UK as a whole in a two party state .
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Post by supergas on Oct 26, 2023 9:50:36 GMT
The Conservatives "Corbyn moment"? Farage would certainly have a similar impact inside the party, splitting it down the existing fractures, growing some factions and potentially forcing those with opposing views to leave. Which is why he's unlikely to be elected leader... *If* he was elected, what would happen in terms of the electorate? It's borderline irrelevant for the first couple of years of opposition, as it was under Blair where the Conservatives churned through leaders (Hague, Duncan-Smith, Howard). What's more important is how the party rebuilds in opposition which is the second reason he'd never be elected leader... ...it *would* be interesting though I’d bet it was more of a shoe in if its put to the (ukip) membership . Not sure I agree with your “interesting” comment. More ‘worrying’ for the right side of politics and the UK as a whole in a two party state . You don't think it would be interesting? He'd only be leader of the opposition, no real power, probably 150 seats fewer than Starmer's Labour and little-to-no chance of becoming PM at the 2029/30 General Election... ...I think it would actually tear apart the two-party state - giving the Lib Dems a chance to repeat their 2010 success in terms of seats/representation but without getting into power/coalition at the first attempt (which was their problem)..... *or* Farage will put together a set of policies for national government that are as popular as his 2014 EU Parliamentary campaign (won the most seats and the largest share of the vote ahead of the normal parties....)
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