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Post by playtowin on Feb 24, 2023 12:45:07 GMT
The North End roof cannot be extended down the East Terrace as it will block the view from the East Stand. No more than the north east temporary stand did. You can go to the point that ended. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 24, 2023 12:48:12 GMT
If it really is wasteland (although someone must own it).we could do something like the old Dell at Southampton. Don't laugh. Brentford already have.    It was owned by the club when the club owned the two properties at the top of Alton Road. Back in the noughties Westbury homes offered £1m for the land and the 2 houses which was correctly turned down. Somebody said that the club no longer owns the two houses, not sure if that is correct. I just looked at plans with BCC Council and from 2008 _ 13 this site behind south stand/ west is owned by memorial stadium. This backs up what directors told me on an open day around 2011 with my son. I asked " who owns all this land behind toliets " they said " we do". I can't comment if it's been sold since . It should be in local plans. Your plan is just what I thought and is an excellent way of utilising that land. |
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Post by bisto180 on Feb 24, 2023 12:57:52 GMT
How are they going to build this by August?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 13:00:19 GMT
Still the best option on the table IMO. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 24, 2023 13:05:26 GMT
I'm not intelligent enough to download local plan on BCC. However indeed the boundary have changed.
Can someone go onto BCC planning then type memorial stadium. Then go to 18000 application from 2008_11 . Click local plan of ground. This shows it ours.
However : look at south / west stand changes
2018 click local plan of ground and the area isn't in our boundary anymore.
Basically someone needs to compare local maps . It's all there on documents .
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Post by thegasman on Feb 24, 2023 13:55:39 GMT
This forum is great, who would have thought that we had this many planners and architects as members! UTG! What else can we get excited about as gasheads ? . My realistic dream is to maintain division one football and have a big south stand . Imagine if we play Birmingham City next year and get 13000 ?. The 2 properties at the top of Alton Road are Nos 20 and 25. 20 is a leasehold property, last sold in 2016 no idea who sold or bought. 25 is also leasehold, but last sold in 2021. Leasehold being owned by 1 person/organisation and then let to a different person/organisation (I think). |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Feb 24, 2023 13:56:49 GMT
Interestingly enough I was comparing drawings from previous applications last night to try and work out whether the jump from c1300 to 4000 seats was doable. The current South Stand is about 7M high based on initial drawings and in the proposal for the full stadium rebuild the South stand was about 20M high. There isn’t a design and access statement so no breakdown of the capacity by stand in that application but if you had 5K for the sides, 5K for a decent North Stand (previous application had this - maybe less) would leave 3K for a South stand that was lower in height to the rest of the stadium? Think they are going to have to apply for something on this scale to get the numbers anyway and agree with Holmes - best option out there. If Wael had money to be the landlord for 300 odd flats he could even get a return on his investment… or maybe his kids would one day! |
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 24, 2023 14:03:01 GMT
It was owned by the club when the club owned the two properties at the top of Alton Road. Back in the noughties Westbury homes offered £1m for the land and the 2 houses which was correctly turned down. Somebody said that the club no longer owns the two houses, not sure if that is correct. I just looked at plans with BCC Council and from 2008 _ 13 this site behind south stand/ west is owned by memorial stadium. This backs up what directors told me on an open day around 2011 with my son. I asked " who owns all this land behind toliets " they said " we do". I can't comment if it's been sold since . It should be in local plans. Your plan is just what I thought and is an excellent way of utilising that land. There seem to be a few bits of unused land around the stadium. There is also a wedge that runs between Alton Road and Elicott Road. There also seems to be a mish mash of who knows what it is on the west corner with access on to Strathmore Road. this could help with access. Surely the current owners know who owns the land. I'm just surprised they haven't looked at doing something with it. Unless it is restricted by planning permission. You could also access the stadium via Alton road. I'm sure that would have a few residents spitting feathers. |
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 24, 2023 14:05:08 GMT
What else can we get excited about as gasheads ? . My realistic dream is to maintain division one football and have a big south stand . Imagine if we play Birmingham City next year and get 13000 ?. The 2 properties at the top of Alton Road are Nos 20 and 25. 20 is a leasehold property, last sold in 2016 no idea who sold or bought. 25 is also leasehold, but last sold in 2021. Leasehold being owned by 1 person/organisation and then let to a different person/organisation (I think). If you look on street view. The two end houses on the west side of the road seem to be having a lot of work done to them. No idea when that is from but looks like they may be owned by the same person. |
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 24, 2023 14:05:55 GMT
We should all be site surveyors🤣
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 24, 2023 14:30:15 GMT
I just looked at plans with BCC Council and from 2008 _ 13 this site behind south stand/ west is owned by memorial stadium. This backs up what directors told me on an open day around 2011 with my son. I asked " who owns all this land behind toliets " they said " we do". I can't comment if it's been sold since . It should be in local plans. Your plan is just what I thought and is an excellent way of utilising that land. There seem to be a few bits of unused land around the stadium. There is also a wedge that runs between Alton Road and Elicott Road. There also seems to be a mish mash of who knows what it is on the west corner with access on to Strathmore Road. this could help with access. Surely the current owners know who owns the land. I'm just surprised they haven't looked at doing something with it. Unless it is restricted by planning permission. You could also access the stadium via Alton road. I'm sure that would have a few residents spitting feathers. The local map of the Mem with the red boundary have changed !. I got the old map 2008 and new map 2019 and clearly the area behind the south / west ( trampoline x2 ) is now outside of the red line . I manage to screenshot the two maps but it won't allow me to share. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 14:31:38 GMT
What else can we get excited about as gasheads ? . My realistic dream is to maintain division one football and have a big south stand . Imagine if we play Birmingham City next year and get 13000 ?. The 2 properties at the top of Alton Road are Nos 20 and 25. 20 is a leasehold property, last sold in 2016 no idea who sold or bought. 25 is also leasehold, but last sold in 2021. Leasehold being owned by 1 person/organisation and then let to a different person/organisation (I think). The two properties that were owned by the club along with the land behind were 18 and 20 and looking at the works that have recently taken place on those properties it really does look like they have been sold. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 24, 2023 14:34:28 GMT
The 2 properties at the top of Alton Road are Nos 20 and 25. 20 is a leasehold property, last sold in 2016 no idea who sold or bought. 25 is also leasehold, but last sold in 2021. Leasehold being owned by 1 person/organisation and then let to a different person/organisation (I think). The two properties that were owned by the club along with the land behind were 18 and 20 and looking at the works that have recently taken place on those properties it really does look like they have been sold. That's the assumption I'm drawing from local maps. The last plans we put 2019 shows the trampoline x2 area outside of our boundary. However I am not an architect or planner. pa.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PG2SA1DNIYY00Click 4th October site location plan box |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 24, 2023 14:53:06 GMT
I think we're possibly over thinking the size of this thing, it's going to be a cheapish temporary stand, it won't mean knocking other stands down or moving the pitch, it won't need a lift to get top the top tier or anything like that. Dear Mr Bagpuss The pitch is being dug up in the summer to have the drainage re done, the pitch will then be relayed 2m closer to the Thatchers end |
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 24, 2023 14:53:37 GMT
The two properties that were owned by the club along with the land behind were 18 and 20 and looking at the works that have recently taken place on those properties it really does look like they have been sold. That's the assumption I'm drawing from local maps. The last plans we put 2019 shows the trampoline x2 area outside of our boundary. However I am not an architect or planner. pa.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PG2SA1DNIYY00Click 4th October site location plan box The next question would be who would want to own that land. It has no access. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 24, 2023 15:00:16 GMT
The next question would be who would want to own that land. It has no access. Good question. It won't take much time to determine who bought the land and what for by using local plans and a bit of research . |
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 24, 2023 15:03:55 GMT
The two properties that were owned by the club along with the land behind were 18 and 20 and looking at the works that have recently taken place on those properties it really does look like they have been sold. That's the assumption I'm drawing from local maps. The last plans we put 2019 shows the trampoline x2 area outside of our boundary. However I am not an architect or planner. pa.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PG2SA1DNIYY00Click 4th October site location plan box Interesting reading the other documents too. Who the hell thought that stand was a good idea. The cost was £45K per season. That works out at £2K per game. I doubt we made that money back in ticket sales, let alone make some money. We also reduced the terracing and the lost money from that. It was a really bad idea. Glad it's gone |
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 24, 2023 15:06:31 GMT
Interesting reading the other documents too. Who the hell thought that stand was a good idea. The cost was £45K per season. That works out at £2K per game. I doubt we made that money back in ticket sales, let alone make some money. We also reduced the terracing and the lost money from that. It was a really bad idea. Glad it's gone The other irony is we paid £45K when we couldn't have spectators during COVID. Bonkers. |
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 24, 2023 15:11:51 GMT
So if it cost £45K per year for a temporary stand for 100 odd seats then how much will it cost for a 4000 seat temporary stand (simple multiplication would mean £1.8M per season). I imagine prices have risen somewhat since then. After two years it will have cost you over £1K per seat which is what a basic permanent structure will cost. I truly hope we're not going for this approach.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 15:18:13 GMT
So if it cost £45K per year for a temporary stand for 100 odd seats then how much will it cost for a 4000 seat temporary stand (simple multiplication would mean £1.8M per season). I imagine prices have risen somewhat since then. After two years it will have cost you over £1K per seat which is what a basic permanent structure will cost. I truly hope we're not going for this approach. I have a feeling the 4000 figure is going to come back and bite somebody on the arse. |
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