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Post by percy on Feb 17, 2023 8:50:42 GMT
Not wanting to grow the FM thread anymore than necessary, starting a new one here - NO NEED TO MENTION THE FM HERE! Be interesting what sort of cap it could possibly have and how much that would increase total - what are current South and SW stand capacities? - assuming in can go all the way round in an L shape that should add at least 50% - if we can go higher (bring forward and move pitch North) possibly more If you search temp stands, this is about the only company that comes up www.glevents.co.uk/solutions/sporting-events/football/Some seem a little more permanent than I'd expect! |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 17, 2023 9:01:11 GMT
Very long time since we had any stadium improvements to stands so this will be interesting.Can't wait for the tents to be confined to the 19th century.
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Post by percy on Feb 17, 2023 9:18:25 GMT
Looking at map, reckon there are three options
1. Replace existing footprint of 2 stands with a semi perm structure. Increase probably negligible but much better facilities and options for segration to make flexible
2. Extend south stand full width. Above improvements, plus probably adds 30% of cap to south stand
3. Extend full width and move pitch north approx 5 metres - allows probably an addition 20-25% more rows of seating maye 60% total increase to cap
Guess they will be working out additional costs vs potential revenue!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2023 9:20:06 GMT
Link to TG's Tweet just in case anybody wonders what we're talking about:
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Feb 17, 2023 9:24:05 GMT
Even since the rugby club left, I have thought we should move the pitch nearer the North Terrace and create more room at the southern end. I wonder if our recent issues with pitch invasions and safety will deter the club and authorities from allowing the fans to be closer to the pitch at that end though?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2023 9:25:22 GMT
Looking at map, reckon there are three options 1. Replace existing footprint of 2 stands with a semi perm structure. Increase probably negligible but much better facilities and options for segration to make flexible 2. Extend south stand full width. Above improvements, plus probably adds 30% of cap to south stand 3. Extend full width and move pitch north approx 5 metres - allows probably an addition 20-25% more rows of seating maye 60% total increase to cap Guess they will be working out additional costs vs potential revenue! If we start moving the pitch doesn't that then have the knock on effect of meaning the centre circle/line is no longer in line with the centre of the two main stands, and the end of the away terracing is then well behind the end of the pitch. |
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Post by percy on Feb 17, 2023 9:27:00 GMT
Looking at map, reckon there are three options 1. Replace existing footprint of 2 stands with a semi perm structure. Increase probably negligible but much better facilities and options for segration to make flexible 2. Extend south stand full width. Above improvements, plus probably adds 30% of cap to south stand 3. Extend full width and move pitch north approx 5 metres - allows probably an addition 20-25% more rows of seating maye 60% total increase to cap Guess they will be working out additional costs vs potential revenue! If we start moving the pitch doesn't that then have the knock on effect of meaning the centre circle/line is no longer in line with the centre of the two main stands, and the end of the away terracing is then well behind the end of the pitch. Yeah was thinking about the away terrace, but hadnt thought about the centre. Good point Hopefully at least 2nd option is possible otherwise, probably not worth it! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 17, 2023 9:33:38 GMT
Looking at map, reckon there are three options 1. Replace existing footprint of 2 stands with a semi perm structure. Increase probably negligible but much better facilities and options for segration to make flexible 2. Extend south stand full width. Above improvements, plus probably adds 30% of cap to south stand 3. Extend full width and move pitch north approx 5 metres - allows probably an addition 20-25% more rows of seating maye 60% total increase to cap Guess they will be working out additional costs vs potential revenue! Probably Option 1 but can't see it being cost effective unless it's at least Option 2. My personal preference would be a 'horse shoe' style with the SW stand mirrored on the East Side replacing the away terrace too, however that may cause line of sight issues from the existing stand on the East Side. Moving the pitch would be good too, doesn't need to be the full allocated space, just a few metres would be beneficial. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 17, 2023 9:39:19 GMT
Hopefully the pitch will be moved north to allow a decent structure to be out in place. That could signal two potential benefits.
1. The East and West Stands days are numbered and they will soon be demolished ( fall down ) to allow for new semi permanent structures
2. Work could take place to produce a flat playing surface. I can't imagine at many ambitious clubs the referee offering uphill or downhill at the toss
Here's hoping we're ready for the move into the 20th Century
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2023 9:46:51 GMT
I was looking at the ground the other day and we have lost capacity because you cant stand up to the advertising boards anymore. What if we dug down another few feet and put some extra standing in? You would still have the same pitch eye level and then any emergency walkway would be below that again?
If anyone who has been to Old Trafford you will know what I mean as in both the Stretford End and West stand the lower tiers are almost below the pitch level.
That would certainly give us some capacity back but I dont know how cost effective it would be and I'm not a builder so dont even know if it would be possible. Perhaps someone with knowledge would let me know if im talking out of my arse or if it is indeed possible.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 17, 2023 10:01:02 GMT
Link to TG's Tweet just in case anybody wonders what we're talking about: He says fruition 3 times . It’s happening lads ! 😂 |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 17, 2023 10:12:09 GMT
I'm pleased to hear this news because I keep on raising the 'lost revenue' on away fans for years. Also it will increase capacity for home fans.
Personally: I see no issue with planning having recently seen the stands at Ashton and how they hang over terrace houses . I also think there will be minimal objections.
My main worry is timescale. Members meetings are quarterly. The plans would need to be submitted to BCC by March at latest for a June planning meeting . This will allow the 90 day objection and various planning reports. Then work can't normally start for 30 days meaning a possible August start. Therefore it's likely we will have a much reduced capacity for a good few months.
In regards to planning please take down the scoreboard and junk around it. It would be good for stand to go to away corner flag and bend around to west stand L shape. I think this will tidy up the ground and make things a bit more professional. It's a good plan by the club.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 17, 2023 10:14:20 GMT
Thanks Topper for posting that.
Well done Tom for being pretty open about future plans. First time I’ve seen such an open written discussion from someone employed by BRFC for a long time. Plenty of rumours but this is more. Good to read.
Things looking up? 🤔
UTG!
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Post by oldmarket65 on Feb 17, 2023 10:17:56 GMT
Not wanting to grow the FM thread anymore than necessary, starting a new one here - NO NEED TO MENTION THE FM HERE! Be interesting what sort of cap it could possibly have and how much that would increase total - what are current South and SW stand capacities? - assuming in can go all the way round in an L shape that should add at least 50% - if we can go higher (bring forward and move pitch North) possibly more If you search temp stands, this is about the only company that comes up www.glevents.co.uk/solutions/sporting-events/football/Some seem a little more permanent than I'd expect! South stand around 1000. South / west stand around 300_400. The new L shape stand must be a minimum of 2500 or its a costly project not adding much ( 1000 increase ). |
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Post by percy on Feb 17, 2023 10:19:00 GMT
Assuming option 1 and 2 are the only real options open, it's not just a Break even analysis that should be done. Even if cost of the new stand is unlikley to be returned due to increased ticket sales, they also need to take into account whether the south / SW stands can last for another 7+ years.
From a safety legistlation or pure wear and tear pov, surely they wont. Certainly there is a chance we all die of embarrassment if we still have tent ends in 2028 and beyond!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 10:41:26 GMT
Oh god this will end in tears.
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 17, 2023 10:52:06 GMT
Oh god this will end in tears. Or tiers of a stand. If we do end up at the fruit market, wonderful. However, I do wish the board would give some serious consideration to reappraisal of their intransigence around redevelopment of The Mem. The space is there and 18,000 with capacity to increase to 22/23k would be mint. Back to the world of dreams. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2023 11:12:09 GMT
Oh god this will end in tears. Or tiers of a stand. If we do end up at the fruit market, wonderful. However, I do wish the board would give some serious consideration to reappraisal of their intransigence around redevelopment of The Mem. The space is there and 18,000 with capacity to increase to 22/23k would be mint. Back to the world of dreams. I wonder how much a new stand, albeit semi permanent is going to cost? Redevelopment of the Mem, I'd love to see it but I cannot see how we could make it pay. Brentford's stadium which holds 17250 seats cost £70m. Thats £4050 per seat roughly. If we were to build the same then at £400 per season ticket that would take you 10 years to pay back assuming no interest on the debt and you sell all the seats for every game. Even if we limited the build cost to £2k and put in 20k seats for additional capacity, promotions and local derbies in mind thats still £40m to find! Thats just some back of the fag packet numbers but gives an idea on why the club is baulking at the idea of a Mem redevelopment. I put this on the FM thread DrF, does this seem a reasonable cost and if so, how do we raise the £40m and what else could we do to increase the ROI to give greater returns both up front and in the future which would contribute for an increased budget? The ones that are saying "just rebuild the mem" arent in any way working out any form of numbers before making the statement to me and no one builds a house without at first counting the cost. |
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Post by pirate on Feb 17, 2023 11:15:54 GMT
I got a little bit excited when I heard about a new family stand, I know this is supposed to be different, but forgive me for not getting too excited.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 17, 2023 11:21:12 GMT
Or tiers of a stand. If we do end up at the fruit market, wonderful. However, I do wish the board would give some serious consideration to reappraisal of their intransigence around redevelopment of The Mem. The space is there and 18,000 with capacity to increase to 22/23k would be mint. Back to the world of dreams. I wonder how much a new stand, albeit semi permanent is going to cost? Redevelopment of the Mem, I'd love to see it but I cannot see how we could make it pay. Brentford's stadium which holds 17250 seats cost £70m. Thats £4050 per seat roughly. If we were to build the same then at £400 per season ticket that would take you 10 years to pay back assuming no interest on the debt and you sell all the seats for every game. Even if we limited the build cost to £2k and put in 20k seats for additional capacity, promotions and local derbies in mind thats still £40m to find! Thats just some back of the fag packet numbers but gives an idea on why the club is baulking at the idea of a Mem redevelopment. I put this on the FM thread DrF, does this seem a reasonable cost and if so, how do we raise the £40m and what else could we do to increase the ROI to give greater returns both up front and in the future which would contribute for an increased budget? The ones that are saying "just rebuild the mem" arent in any way working out any form of numbers before making the statement to me and no one builds a house without at first counting the cost. A basic stand is roughly £1m per 1,000 seats although that's probably increased somewhat in recent years. Not sure dividing the Brentford costs across the whole capacity is accurate as it would include facilities that wouldn't be in the proposed South Stand, but may be a decent ball park figure for a total redevelopment, it really depends on what is inside the stands. How much did the AG redevelopment cost? That may be a good gauge. |
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