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Post by ashlinggas on Jan 12, 2024 18:36:13 GMT
Has anyone from the club stated we need to do test events? Feels like a GasChat fact. Also, no way are 3000 people turning up to watch training at the mem! Maybe they would if there was no fee and it was made clear that this is necessary to get the thing up and running. Then again, I used to watch Rovers reserves at Eastville and we never had those kind of numbers, not even v the 82 reserves I have complete records from 1883 to 2004, but don't know how to post a picture on here. Average gate in 1963-4 about 11,000, but 17,779 for FA Cup tie v Norwich. Won 2-1, Jarman and Bradford the scorer's. |
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Post by poorblue on Jan 12, 2024 18:46:29 GMT
Has anyone from the club stated we need to do test events? Feels like a GasChat fact. Also, no way are 3000 people turning up to watch training at the mem! Maybe they would if there was no fee and it was made clear that this is necessary to get the thing up and running. Then again, I used to watch Rovers reserves at Eastville and we never had those kind of numbers, not even v the 82 reserves I was at a reserve game at Eastville v QPR when a certain England player i.e. Rodney Marsh was playing after injury. The attendance was 8500 i recall. More than the famous "Eastville 5000 faithful" He didn't play very well and I told him so, I got the verbals back in no uncertain terms, feisty character. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2024 18:51:44 GMT
I can't see planning have anything to do with a test event, that's down to SAG signing off the stand as being safe to use. I can't see why the stand filled to 50% capacity can't be a test event, and then another at 75% if a second one is required. Wrexham seem to have just opened their new temp stand without any test events and that part of their ground hasn't been used for years. Does the ‘A’ in SAG stand for advisory? If so is there anything mandatory that we have to follow before opening? Is SAG regional and have different levels of input/status in different regions? (Presuming all regions even have a SAG). It seems every region has a SAG, or at least every English region, as Liverpool referred to their SAG when they mentioned getting approval to use their new stand. I assume if they ignore SAG's advice the Directors leave themselves open to legal action if an incident occurs due to failing to heed their advice and it could well void any PL insurance the club holds. |
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Post by eric on Jan 12, 2024 19:13:26 GMT
Does the ‘A’ in SAG stand for advisory? If so is there anything mandatory that we have to follow before opening? Is SAG regional and have different levels of input/status in different regions? (Presuming all regions even have a SAG). It seems every region has a SAG, or at least every English region, as Liverpool referred to their SAG when they mentioned getting approval to use their new stand. I assume if they ignore SAG's advice the Directors leave themselves open to legal action if an incident occurs due to failing to heed their advice and it could well void any PL insurance the club holds. Any idea who makes up the SAG? I presume they have high levels of relevant professional qualifications and not just a committee of busybodies! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2024 19:22:46 GMT
It seems every region has a SAG, or at least every English region, as Liverpool referred to their SAG when they mentioned getting approval to use their new stand. I assume if they ignore SAG's advice the Directors leave themselves open to legal action if an incident occurs due to failing to heed their advice and it could well void any PL insurance the club holds. Any idea who makes up the SAG? I presume they have high levels of relevant professional qualifications and not just a committee of busybodies! "SAGs are usually co-ordinated by a Local Authority (LA) and made up of representatives from the LA, emergency services, other relevant bodies and the event organiser. They may be event or location specific but otherwise tend to be based on LA boundaries." www.hse.gov.uk/event-safety/safety-advisory-groups.htm |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 13, 2024 8:51:55 GMT
Maybe they would if there was no fee and it was made clear that this is necessary to get the thing up and running. Then again, I used to watch Rovers reserves at Eastville and we never had those kind of numbers, not even v the 82 reserves I was at a reserve game at Eastville v QPR when a certain England player i.e. Rodney Marsh was playing after injury. The attendance was 8500 i recall. More than the famous "Eastville 5000 faithful" He didn't play very well and I told him so, I got the verbals back in no uncertain terms, feisty character. I seem to remember both he and George Best playing against us for Fulham but as I have messed up, big time, I expect someone to correct me, soon lol. I do definitely know Best was playing |
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Post by Marshy on Jan 13, 2024 11:20:07 GMT
The thread is descending into a Monty Python sketch. Yes, we will be having the ministry of silly walks soon. Closely followed by the dead parrot sketch!. |
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jan 13, 2024 11:23:20 GMT
Anybody know what happened to the old stands?
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Post by gasify on Jan 13, 2024 11:36:26 GMT
It seems every region has a SAG, or at least every English region, as Liverpool referred to their SAG when they mentioned getting approval to use their new stand. I assume if they ignore SAG's advice the Directors leave themselves open to legal action if an incident occurs due to failing to heed their advice and it could well void any PL insurance the club holds. Any idea who makes up the SAG? I presume they have high levels of relevant professional qualifications and not just a committee of busybodies! There have been plenty of posts over the last couple of years that blames SAG for this and blames SAG for that. You do know that that they are there for us? For our safety at a football ground. If SAG thinks that test events should happen before the new stand is open, its not because they are busybodies, its because they want to study how the stand is being used. What is the flow of people like, before the game, half time and after the game. Is there too much use of one particular entry/exit from the stand to the concourse that could cause a crush. How quickly can the stand be emptied if there was a fire, how quickly can the paramedics get to someone in the crowd if they have a heart attack. They are there for us. The owners will want to push the boundaries of what can be done, the SAG is there with the aim to stop any boundaries that could cause endangerment to the crowd. |
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Post by eric on Jan 13, 2024 12:58:34 GMT
Any idea who makes up the SAG? I presume they have high levels of relevant professional qualifications and not just a committee of busybodies! There have been plenty of posts over the last couple of years that blames SAG for this and blames SAG for that. You do know that that they are there for us? For our safety at a football ground. If SAG thinks that test events should happen before the new stand is open, its not because they are busybodies, its because they want to study how the stand is being used. What is the flow of people like, before the game, half time and after the game. Is there too much use of one particular entry/exit from the stand to the concourse that could cause a crush. How quickly can the stand be emptied if there was a fire, how quickly can the paramedics get to someone in the crowd if they have a heart attack. They are there for us. The owners will want to push the boundaries of what can be done, the SAG is there with the aim to stop any boundaries that could cause endangerment to the crowd. Their painting of yellow lines behind the east terrace (north end) to stop anyone standing immediately behind the barrier when it’s completely open behind was a life saving master stroke. That sort of useless and unnecessary interference leads to scepticism I’m afraid !! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 13, 2024 13:21:53 GMT
Any idea who makes up the SAG? I presume they have high levels of relevant professional qualifications and not just a committee of busybodies! There have been plenty of posts over the last couple of years that blames SAG for this and blames SAG for that. You do know that that they are there for us? For our safety at a football ground. If SAG thinks that test events should happen before the new stand is open, its not because they are busybodies, its because they want to study how the stand is being used. What is the flow of people like, before the game, half time and after the game. Is there too much use of one particular entry/exit from the stand to the concourse that could cause a crush. How quickly can the stand be emptied if there was a fire, how quickly can the paramedics get to someone in the crowd if they have a heart attack. They are there for us. The owners will want to push the boundaries of what can be done, the SAG is there with the aim to stop any boundaries that could cause endangerment to the crowd. How do you know the owners want to push the boundaries? Pretty certain the new stand is a damn sight safer than the previous tents. |
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Post by womble on Jan 13, 2024 14:28:58 GMT
I was at a reserve game at Eastville v QPR when a certain England player i.e. Rodney Marsh was playing after injury. The attendance was 8500 i recall. More than the famous "Eastville 5000 faithful" He didn't play very well and I told him so, I got the verbals back in no uncertain terms, feisty character. I seem to remember both he and George Best playing against us for Fulham but as I have messed up, big time, I expect someone to correct me, soon lol. I do definitely know Best was playing I remember watching George Best playing against us for Fulham. Fairly certain it was Andrew Evans (career cruelly ended by injury at age 21), who got a big cheer for nutmegging Best. |
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Post by gasify on Jan 13, 2024 14:44:30 GMT
There have been plenty of posts over the last couple of years that blames SAG for this and blames SAG for that. You do know that that they are there for us? For our safety at a football ground. If SAG thinks that test events should happen before the new stand is open, its not because they are busybodies, its because they want to study how the stand is being used. What is the flow of people like, before the game, half time and after the game. Is there too much use of one particular entry/exit from the stand to the concourse that could cause a crush. How quickly can the stand be emptied if there was a fire, how quickly can the paramedics get to someone in the crowd if they have a heart attack. They are there for us. The owners will want to push the boundaries of what can be done, the SAG is there with the aim to stop any boundaries that could cause endangerment to the crowd. How do you know the owners want to push the boundaries? Pretty certain the new stand is a damn sight safer than the previous tents. Because they have demonstrated pushing the boundaries by building it before getting planning permission. |
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Post by gasify on Jan 13, 2024 14:46:18 GMT
There have been plenty of posts over the last couple of years that blames SAG for this and blames SAG for that. You do know that that they are there for us? For our safety at a football ground. If SAG thinks that test events should happen before the new stand is open, its not because they are busybodies, its because they want to study how the stand is being used. What is the flow of people like, before the game, half time and after the game. Is there too much use of one particular entry/exit from the stand to the concourse that could cause a crush. How quickly can the stand be emptied if there was a fire, how quickly can the paramedics get to someone in the crowd if they have a heart attack. They are there for us. The owners will want to push the boundaries of what can be done, the SAG is there with the aim to stop any boundaries that could cause endangerment to the crowd. How do you know the owners want to push the boundaries? Pretty certain the new stand is a damn sight safer than the previous tents. How can you be certain? Do you have a background in event safety? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 13, 2024 20:13:57 GMT
How do you know the owners want to push the boundaries? Pretty certain the new stand is a damn sight safer than the previous tents. How can you be certain? Do you have a background in event safety? Just looking at and the firm who supplied gives you a good idea, hopefully the drain pipes won't fall off when we have a heavy rain shower. |
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Post by gasify on Jan 13, 2024 20:33:29 GMT
How can you be certain? Do you have a background in event safety? Just looking at and the firm who supplied gives you a good idea, hopefully the drain pipes won't fall off when we have a heavy rain shower. You are very close with mentioning drain pipes. Let's see what happens when it rains. |
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Post by supergas on Jan 14, 2024 11:28:31 GMT
Just looking at and the firm who supplied gives you a good idea, hopefully the drain pipes won't fall off when we have a heavy rain shower. You are very close with mentioning drain pipes. Let's see what happens when it rains. ...go on then.... |
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Post by gasify on Jan 14, 2024 15:22:20 GMT
You are very close with mentioning drain pipes. Let's see what happens when it rains. ...go on then.... To be honest, your damed if you do and damed if you don't. Let's see what happens when it rains. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 14, 2024 15:29:02 GMT
To be honest, your damed if you do and damed if you don't. Let's see what happens when it rains. You’re obviously hinting at something that maybe wrong so I think you need to spit it out 👍🏾 |
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Post by gasify on Jan 14, 2024 15:37:19 GMT
To be honest, your damed if you do and damed if you don't. Let's see what happens when it rains. You’re obviously hinting at something that maybe wrong so I think you need to spit it out 👍🏾 Nope, know nothing. Just saying, it hasn't been tested yet with people in it. |
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