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Post by amgas on Feb 29, 2024 15:11:04 GMT
No one "wants" it but if it is mechanism to fund a better scheme and/or any scheme it has to be interesting. None of us know how much of their own money they have / are willing to throw at the stadium - if the answer is none or little then student accommodation is a way of getting something better than what we have. We have all spent too many years waiting for the "wembley of the west" - personally I think the South stand for all it's faults has shown us how much better things could be at a sensible cost.
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Post by percy on Feb 29, 2024 15:19:23 GMT
They already have an idea of what they are wanting to do and I am sure they would have looked at the previous applications that have been granted planning permission giving them an idea of the parameters they can work within. I doubt very much their "wants" include student accommodation. For me that would just take up capacity space so what is the point? The student accommodation all around the outside will be a horrible sight. As you said the space would eat into capacity. I am nervous waiting for the club to announce the plans. Dreading more embarrassment and another reason to be the punchline. really? We've got rid of the tents, and the south stand is much better and bigger than anyone expected when announced. And that was built as a stop-gap only. Enjoy the improvements. We wont get a super new build, but I think we had all resigned ourselves to that long ago anyway. Lets see, hopefully you see some improvements but I guess we wont hear it from you |
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Post by singupgas on Feb 29, 2024 15:24:23 GMT
The student accommodation all around the outside will be a horrible sight. As you said the space would eat into capacity. I am nervous waiting for the club to announce the plans. Dreading more embarrassment and another reason to be the punchline. really? We've got rid of the tents, and the south stand is much better and bigger than anyone expected when announced. And that was built as a stop-gap only. Enjoy the improvements. We wont get a super new build, but I think we had all resigned ourselves to that long ago anyway. Lets see, hopefully you see some improvements but I guess we wont hear it from you You are happy with us building semi permanent stand with pillars, I am not. I was not a difficult task to replace the tent end with something better. |
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Post by percy on Feb 29, 2024 15:27:05 GMT
really? We've got rid of the tents, and the south stand is much better and bigger than anyone expected when announced. And that was built as a stop-gap only. Enjoy the improvements. We wont get a super new build, but I think we had all resigned ourselves to that long ago anyway. Lets see, hopefully you see some improvements but I guess we wont hear it from you You are happy with us building semi permanent stand with pillars, I am not. I was not a difficult task to replace the tent end with something better. Tell us something you are happy with |
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Post by joefrankie on Feb 29, 2024 15:49:47 GMT
really? We've got rid of the tents, and the south stand is much better and bigger than anyone expected when announced. And that was built as a stop-gap only. Enjoy the improvements. We wont get a super new build, but I think we had all resigned ourselves to that long ago anyway. Lets see, hopefully you see some improvements but I guess we wont hear it from you You are happy with us building semi permanent stand with pillars, I am not. I was not a difficult task to replace the tent end with something better. Yes, but the South Stand was planned and started when we were still hoping to move to a new stadium; therefore a temporary structure. I'm no architect or builder, but I'd be very surprised of it was possible to build a temporary cantilevered roof. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 29, 2024 17:25:13 GMT
If the South Stand was planned as just a temporary structure why was it built to link into the East Stand development?
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 29, 2024 17:28:41 GMT
If the South Stand was planned as just a temporary structure why was it built to link into the East Stand development? Plans changed once we knew we were staying at the Mem. It is no longer a temporary stand. It will certainly be there long after a lot of us on here are gone |
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Post by eric on Feb 29, 2024 19:14:20 GMT
If the South Stand was planned as just a temporary structure why was it built to link into the East Stand development? Has it been confirmed that the South and East Stands will be linked? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 29, 2024 19:59:51 GMT
If the South Stand was planned as just a temporary structure why was it built to link into the East Stand development? Has it been confirmed that the South and East Stands will be linked? Somebody earlier on the thread suggested it was? Plus it's clearly not finished off on that end, so something is going there? |
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Post by bidefordgas on Feb 29, 2024 20:33:29 GMT
Has it been confirmed that the South and East Stands will be linked? Somebody earlier on the thread suggested it was? Plus it's clearly not finished off on that end, so something is going there? That’s why the end has been left open, it was confirmed to be the case on here quite sometime ago. |
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Post by joefrankie on Feb 29, 2024 20:46:34 GMT
If the South Stand was planned as just a temporary structure why was it built to link into the East Stand development? I didn’t know it was. |
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Post by joefrankie on Feb 29, 2024 20:54:13 GMT
If the South Stand was planned as just a temporary structure why was it built to link into the East Stand development? Plans changed once we knew we were staying at the Mem. It is no longer a temporary stand. It will certainly be there long after a lot of us on here are gone Plans may change, but a temporary, bolted together, temporary stand can’t suddenly become permanent just because you want it to. |
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Post by otleygas on Feb 29, 2024 21:26:37 GMT
Where has it ever been stated it was temporary? (Except on here!). It’s a modular type construction. But nowhere in the planning application to my knowledge does it suggest that it is intended to be temporary, or that it only has permission to be there for a fixed period of time.
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Post by joefrankie on Feb 29, 2024 21:27:29 GMT
I'm sure this has been discussed but it's hard to find the answer in 384 pages of discussion. I just wondered if we knew for sure why the top left section of the South Stand near the away tarrace does not have seats? For sure? Nope. Most think it's to allow for a future development around the South East corner, some that it's where a scoreboard will be mounted, and I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that it's because it's above the old Alton Road steps and so they couldn't pile deep enough to support seats... ...take your pick, I can't remember seeing a definitive answer from someone who actually knows... Excuse the multiple posts; I’ve had a couple…. Just realized a flaw in the theory that that gap at the back of the South Stand is to allow it to be joined up with any new East Stand. The original plans included that gap, when at the time we were not planning to stay at the Mem. The South Stand was a stop gap till we moved. |
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 29, 2024 21:37:49 GMT
If you look at the finished South Stand it does not take a genius to see that this is NOT a temporary stand and football wise it is the best stand at the ground. If similar was built all around the ground we would have a ground we could be proud of especially if it was built the same height as the existing east stand. I am convinced if we had the money then a ground of capacity around the 22000 could be built. As I have said before the actual land area is the same as Goodison Park.
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Post by aghast on Feb 29, 2024 22:20:34 GMT
For sure? Nope. Most think it's to allow for a future development around the South East corner, some that it's where a scoreboard will be mounted, and I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that it's because it's above the old Alton Road steps and so they couldn't pile deep enough to support seats... ...take your pick, I can't remember seeing a definitive answer from someone who actually knows... Excuse the multiple posts; I’ve had a couple…. Just realized a flaw in the theory that that gap at the back of the South Stand is to allow it to be joined up with any new East Stand. The original plans included that gap, when at the time we were not planning to stay at the Mem. The South Stand was a stop gap till we moved. That assumes we all believe the South stand was intended to be a stop gap. Very odd how after 25 years of nothing much a new stand was built as the owners were finalising plans for a new stadium. I believe the club knew the Fruit Market deal had gone astray and the stand was planned to be the first evidence of what we now know to be a redevelopment of the Mem. |
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Post by joefrankie on Feb 29, 2024 22:29:46 GMT
If you look at the finished South Stand it does not take a genius to see that this is NOT a temporary stand and football wise it is the best stand at the ground. If similar was built all around the ground we would have a ground we could be proud of especially if it was built the same height as the existing east stand. I am convinced if we had the money then a ground of capacity around the 22000 could be built. As I have said before the actual land area is the same as Goodison Park. I note that you don’t describe it as a permanent stand. If it was permanent, it would be built with concrete and the partitions on the stairwells would not be made of canvass. It is constructed of bolted together steel, so that it can taken down quickly and easily. To me, all this suggests it is a temporary stand. That said, it will undoubtedly be there for a long time. |
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Post by percy on Feb 29, 2024 22:33:14 GMT
Not the temporary discussion again ffs
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 29, 2024 22:44:18 GMT
If you look at the finished South Stand it does not take a genius to see that this is NOT a temporary stand and football wise it is the best stand at the ground. If similar was built all around the ground we would have a ground we could be proud of especially if it was built the same height as the existing east stand. I am convinced if we had the money then a ground of capacity around the 22000 could be built. As I have said before the actual land area is the same as Goodison Park. I note that you don’t describe it as a permanent stand. If it was permanent, it would be built with concrete and the partitions on the stairwells would not be made of canvass. It is constructed of bolted together steel, so that it can taken down quickly and easily. To me, all this suggests it is a temporary stand. That said, it will undoubtedly be there for a long time. it's whats there and will remain there until it isn't, doesn't matter what you call it but as I said earlier it will be there longer than a lot of us |
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Post by joefrankie on Feb 29, 2024 22:48:18 GMT
Not the temporary discussion again ffs Frustrating isn’t it? Despite all the evidence, some are unable to accept that it cannot possibly be a permanent structure 😉 |
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