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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 2, 2024 16:07:08 GMT
Our attendances have been poor av. 8135 which puts us 14th in division one . Also 5 teams in div two average more than us including Swindon. The capacity is 12500 which means there are 3-4k avaliable spaces each game . The club needs to sort out the 500k they are losing each season on limiting away support by addressing the exit gates in South stand. The reason why a lot of clubs average more is they allow 3-4 k away fans which over a season could affect average attendance by at least a 1000 a game. I still think if we allowed we could be getting up to 15 -20k extra away fans over the season . All fans will do is transfer from terraces to cheap seats (understandable) . Watch out for the large gaps on the terraces. Could you list these clubs who allow 3-4k away crowds? Pompey Derby Bolton definitely. Reading sold nearly 1400 in one day . I would say up to 3000 in a relegation battle. Charlton around 2k. Additionally Barnsley & Wigan sold 800 in 2 days which was there limited. (Home game information). |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 2, 2024 16:13:23 GMT
If you mean home teams which allow 3-4k away fans . Then any of the top 10 with big stadiums. Bolton Derby Charlton Reading Barnsley etc .
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 2, 2024 16:44:39 GMT
If you mean home teams which allow 3-4k away fans . Then any of the top 10 with big stadiums. Bolton Derby Charlton Reading Barnsley etc . Not true. Derby allocation for away fans is 2700. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 2, 2024 16:46:20 GMT
If you mean home teams which allow 3-4k away fans . Then any of the top 10 with big stadiums. Bolton Derby Charlton Reading Barnsley etc . Not true. Derby allocation for away fans is 2700. Name me clubs in division one who allow less than 1300 away fans ?. I would bet over 90% offer more . That's my point !. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 2, 2024 16:48:24 GMT
Not true. Derby allocation for away fans is 2700. Name me clubs in division one who allow less than 1300 away fans ?. I would bet over 90% offer more . That's my point !. It’s the size of their grounds, Barnsley only allocate 2000 to away fans. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 2, 2024 16:51:57 GMT
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 2, 2024 16:54:45 GMT
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 2, 2024 17:00:03 GMT
Not worth arguing.
We have a 12500 capacity ground and the present away allocation is adequate, end of story.
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Post by nsblue on Mar 2, 2024 17:12:36 GMT
Grounds which have similar size away capacity Blackpool, Burton, Cambridge, Carlisle, Cheltenham, Exeter, Fleetwood, Leyton Orient, Lincoln, Northampton, Oxford, Port Vale, Shrewsbury, Stevenage, Wycombe so over half have away ends less than 2,000.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 2, 2024 17:22:04 GMT
Grounds which have similar size away capacity Blackpool, Burton, Cambridge, Carlisle, Cheltenham, Exeter, Fleetwood, Leyton Orient, Lincoln, Northampton, Oxford, Port Vale, Shrewsbury, Stevenage, Wycombe so over half have away ends less than 2,000. Anyway I don't want to argue anymore . Its my personal view we are losing 500k a season on limiting away support to 1300. Most people disagree with me and think 1300 is enough . It is what it is !. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 2, 2024 17:39:42 GMT
Not worth arguing. We have a 12500 capacity ground and the present away allocation is adequate, end of story. Did you attend the Q&A if so you will have heard Abdullattif suggest if we didn't cut our annual losses we would enter admin in a couple of seasons, so what sense is there in turning away 1,000 extra away fans at £25+ a ticket plus whatever they spend on food & drink whenever we play a well supported club? Perhaps if we carry on like we are "end of story" will apply to Rovers? If we do get a 16,000 capacity stadium we'll do well to fill that with mainly Gasheads then we struggle at present to get 8,000 for routine league games. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 2, 2024 18:05:28 GMT
Not worth arguing. We have a 12500 capacity ground and the present away allocation is adequate, end of story. Did you attend the Q&A if so you will have heard Abdullattif suggest if we didn't cut our annual losses we would enter admin in a couple of seasons, so what sense is there in turning away 1,000 extra away fans at £25+ a ticket plus whatever they spend on food & drink whenever we play a well supported club? Perhaps if we carry on like we are "end of story" will apply to Rovers? If we do get a 16,000 capacity stadium we'll do well to fill that with mainly Gasheads then we struggle at present to get 8,000 for routine league games. So we build the only new stand we have ever built at the Mem and then hand over most of it to away supporters. I was not at the meeting the other night but Abdullatif was and I assume he is party to the decision to allow ST for home supporters to be made available not only in the south west corner but blocks d, e and f in the south stand. This with the segregation blanket covering half the seats in block g, gives away supporters two blocks of seats and half of g if the blanket is on the home side. I note for the Derby game they have two blocks and the gasheads have d, e and f and half of g, again a club decision. Saturdays coming game will no doubt give then decent information on where to go next season. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 2, 2024 18:10:34 GMT
Did you attend the Q&A if so you will have heard Abdullattif suggest if we didn't cut our annual losses we would enter admin in a couple of seasons, so what sense is there in turning away 1,000 extra away fans at £25+ a ticket plus whatever they spend on food & drink whenever we play a well supported club? Perhaps if we carry on like we are "end of story" will apply to Rovers? If we do get a 16,000 capacity stadium we'll do well to fill that with mainly Gasheads then we struggle at present to get 8,000 for routine league games. So we build the only new stand we have ever built at the Mem and then hand over most of it to away supporters. I was not at the meeting the other night but Abdullatif was and I assume he is party to the decision to allow ST for home supporters to be made available not only in the south west corner but blocks d, e and f in the south stand. This with the segregation blanket covering half the seats in block g, gives away supporters two blocks of seats and half of g if the blanket is on the home side. I note for the Derby game they have two blocks and the gasheads have d, e and f and half of g, again a club decision. Saturdays coming game will no doubt give then decent information on where to go next season. But why on earth would anyone enjoy seeing 3000 empty spaces opposed to a full house ?. I just don't understand that mentality both financially or logically. Next week I want nearly 13000 rammed into the Mem not 9500 -10000. Anyway it won't change and its 1300 with only 700 when East terrace work starts. If anything away allocation will drop because fans don't want to increase away allocation. Majority rules and the club have listened and 1300 is the limited. That's it !. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 2, 2024 18:10:39 GMT
Looking at it another way it's no wonder we're heading for admin if we build a new stand to increase the capacity to 12,000 but still only regularly get attendances of 8,000/9,000.
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 2, 2024 18:19:14 GMT
So we build the only new stand we have ever built at the Mem and then hand over most of it to away supporters. I was not at the meeting the other night but Abdullatif was and I assume he is party to the decision to allow ST for home supporters to be made available not only in the south west corner but blocks d, e and f in the south stand. This with the segregation blanket covering half the seats in block g, gives away supporters two blocks of seats and half of g if the blanket is on the home side. I note for the Derby game they have two blocks and the gasheads have d, e and f and half of g, again a club decision. Saturdays coming game will no doubt give then decent information on where to go next season. But why on earth would anyone enjoy seeing 3000 empty spaces opposed to a full house ?. I just don't understand that mentality both financially or logically. Next week I want nearly 13000 rammed into the Mem not 9500 -10000. Anyway it won't change and its 1300 with only 700 when East terrace work starts. If anything away allocation will drop because fans don't want to increase away allocation. Majority rules and the club have listened and 1300 is the limited. That's it !. So you are quite happy to make gasheads cram in on the terraces well away supporters get the benefit of a brand new stand and most of its seats. I’m 73 almost 74 and my mate is over 80. We have just moved to the new south stand from the West terrace and purchased our ST, s for next season in block f. We have increased the clubs income by paying more for those seats as have many others. If you want to give more places to away supporters, give them all the east terrace, easy enough to segregate from the Thatchers. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 2, 2024 18:28:11 GMT
But why on earth would anyone enjoy seeing 3000 empty spaces opposed to a full house ?. I just don't understand that mentality both financially or logically. Next week I want nearly 13000 rammed into the Mem not 9500 -10000. Anyway it won't change and its 1300 with only 700 when East terrace work starts. If anything away allocation will drop because fans don't want to increase away allocation. Majority rules and the club have listened and 1300 is the limited. That's it !. So you are quite happy to make gasheads cram in on the terraces well away supporters get the benefit of a brand new stand and most of its seats. I’m 73 almost 74 and my mate is over 80. We have just moved to the new south stand from the West terrace and purchased our ST, s for next season in block f. We have increased the clubs income by paying more for those seats as have many others. If you want to give more places to away supporters, give them all the east terrace, easy enough to segregate from the Thatchers. Of course I'm not suggesting we penalise older people . However we need a ' balance' between finance and ethics. If the capacity is 12500 and we are 3000 short on Cat A games . Then this is unstaintable long term. Maybe I was wrong but I thought the reason the club spent £3 million on a new stand was to introduce a ' flexible approach ' to cat A games . I suppose Derby is the test case for this . |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 2, 2024 18:28:39 GMT
Not worth arguing. We have a 12500 capacity ground and the present away allocation is adequate, end of story. Did you attend the Q&A if so you will have heard Abdullattif suggest if we didn't cut our annual losses we would enter admin in a couple of seasons, so what sense is there in turning away 1,000 extra away fans at £25+ a ticket plus whatever they spend on food & drink whenever we play a well supported club? Perhaps if we carry on like we are "end of story" will apply to Rovers? If we do get a 16,000 capacity stadium we'll do well to fill that with mainly Gasheads then we struggle at present to get 8,000 for routine league games. Not often I agree with you Topper but you’re right on this one. We need a flexible solution for away fans ( extra gates in away end ( south stand) to allow in more away fans if and when they are likely to bring more *and* we’re not likely to sell them as ho e tickets. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 2, 2024 18:30:27 GMT
Did you attend the Q&A if so you will have heard Abdullattif suggest if we didn't cut our annual losses we would enter admin in a couple of seasons, so what sense is there in turning away 1,000 extra away fans at £25+ a ticket plus whatever they spend on food & drink whenever we play a well supported club? Perhaps if we carry on like we are "end of story" will apply to Rovers? If we do get a 16,000 capacity stadium we'll do well to fill that with mainly Gasheads then we struggle at present to get 8,000 for routine league games. Not often I agree with you Topper but you’re right on this one. We need a flexible solution for away fans ( extra gates in away end ( south stand) to allow in more away fans if and when they are likely to bring more *and* we’re not likely to sell them as ho e tickets. Totally agree with above. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 2, 2024 18:36:12 GMT
So you are quite happy to make gasheads cram in on the terraces well away supporters get the benefit of a brand new stand and most of its seats. I’m 73 almost 74 and my mate is over 80. We have just moved to the new south stand from the West terrace and purchased our ST, s for next season in block f. We have increased the clubs income by paying more for those seats as have many others. If you want to give more places to away supporters, give them all the east terrace, easy enough to segregate from the Thatchers. Of course I'm not suggesting we penalise older people . However we need a ' balance' between finance and ethics. If the capacity is 12500 and we are 3000 short on Cat A games . Then this is unstaintable long term. Maybe I was wrong but I thought the reason the club spent £3 million on a new stand was to introduce a ' flexible approach ' to cat A games . I suppose Derby is the test case for this . No, the club said the new stand was to give their own fans better facilities and never was there any mention of flexible away allocations. The lack of seating for home supporters was another reason given and now this has gone some way to doing that with additional plans to increase the size of the East stand. When that’s done, they can then look again at the situation. In the meantime easy to give away supporters more of the east terrace and the two blocks of seats in the new stand, which in total are far more than they had in the tent apart from the time that was fully given over to away fans. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 2, 2024 18:52:23 GMT
At the present time there are 422 seats remaining in the home areas of the south west and south stands for the Derby game next Saturday I don’t think that’s its unlikely that we won’t sell at least half of those before next Saturday ,if not more after todays result.
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