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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 3, 2023 19:04:30 GMT
1984 is definitely worth a re-read as an adult.
I've read it 3 times now, the first time like you all, at school.
Orwell was incredibly well read in politics and he was right about so many things.
So much more than just paranoid conspiracy.
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Post by oldie on Dec 3, 2023 21:45:01 GMT
Good post. This bit though.. **Unfortunately it appears to have been perverted, or the intention of it has, by people who can't seem to be happy unless they find reason to feel oppressed or controlled** If your freedom is altered by the government for reasons that you disagree with, why tarnish those people? Aren't they allowed to express their feelings? I can see how they are labelled. The same way kids with modern diagnosed illnesses were just 'naughty' pre 90s. The gaschat term is 'loon' or oldie suggesting people(me)are thick, just for deviating from the official narrative. I dont really trust the politicians and some of their good ideas. I find myself doing the opposite quite often and it works pretty well. Covid jabs being an example. But that's the thing, exactly it, no one is altering anyone's freedom. That was not the intention or has it ever been proposed. All that it requires is someone with a platform to raise the question with suspicion, what is their intention. If the audience are of a particular paranoid persuasion they will leap to all kinds of theories which very quicky become concrete. Throw in a few 'loons' (yes, that word again) whose delusional belief system of a New World Order or something even more sinister, and it quickly escalates to becoming fact. A fact that the Illuminati want to keep us in our homes and watch everything that we do so they can jab us with chips and have us believing that the earth is getting warmer. Or simply decide that it might be nice to not have to drive to the shops or sports centre as there's one just around the corner. Like I said, I'm sceptical, particularly of governments and authorities, but sometimes you just have to conclude that the most likely answer is straightforward and actually beneficial to us, and the planet Well said Pop Up |
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Post by oldie on Dec 3, 2023 21:50:23 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 5, 2023 10:46:00 GMT
Good post. This bit though.. **Unfortunately it appears to have been perverted, or the intention of it has, by people who can't seem to be happy unless they find reason to feel oppressed or controlled** If your freedom is altered by the government for reasons that you disagree with, why tarnish those people? Aren't they allowed to express their feelings? I can see how they are labelled. The same way kids with modern diagnosed illnesses were just 'naughty' pre 90s. The gaschat term is 'loon' or oldie suggesting people(me)are thick, just for deviating from the official narrative. I dont really trust the politicians and some of their good ideas. I find myself doing the opposite quite often and it works pretty well. Covid jabs being an example. But that's the thing, exactly it, no one is altering anyone's freedom. That was not the intention or has it ever been proposed. All that it requires is someone with a platform to raise the question with suspicion, what is their intention. If the audience are of a particular paranoid persuasion they will leap to all kinds of theories which very quicky become concrete. Throw in a few 'loons' (yes, that word again) whose delusional belief system of a New World Order or something even more sinister, and it quickly escalates to becoming fact. A fact that the Illuminati want to keep us in our homes and watch everything that we do so they can jab us with chips and have us believing that the earth is getting warmer. Or simply decide that it might be nice to not have to drive to the shops or sports centre as there's one just around the corner. Like I said, I'm sceptical, particularly of governments and authorities, but sometimes you just have to conclude that the most likely answer is straightforward and actually beneficial to us, and the planet Fair enough. That's reasonable and many/most people will cooperate. I'll likely resist as it just looks like another intervention that I didn't ask for or require. Plus i don't really enjoy being told what I can or can't do if it doesn't make sense to me. There's a lot in between the 2 extremes and calling people loons or robots, or conspiracy theorists or blind followers is lazy. Its classic divide and conquer stuff like in the movies. People seem quick to pigeon hole or label because of another's feelings or beliefs. Why can't we just get along with our differences and try a little compromise? If you(3rd you) want to stay in your 15 minute city and protect the planet, go for gold. I'm going out for a drive and perhaps ill bring you back something from afar! |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 5, 2023 10:48:13 GMT
1984 is definitely worth a re-read as an adult. I've read it 3 times now, the first time like you all, at school. Orwell was incredibly well read in politics and he was right about so many things. So much more than just paranoid conspiracy. I read it around 2010, and animal farm whilst away from home. There's a film too, which is pretty horrible in places. I'm too thick to grasp the underlying meanings of both though, but at least I've seen the animals and the staring face!! |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 5, 2023 11:13:39 GMT
But that's the thing, exactly it, no one is altering anyone's freedom. That was not the intention or has it ever been proposed. All that it requires is someone with a platform to raise the question with suspicion, what is their intention. If the audience are of a particular paranoid persuasion they will leap to all kinds of theories which very quicky become concrete. Throw in a few 'loons' (yes, that word again) whose delusional belief system of a New World Order or something even more sinister, and it quickly escalates to becoming fact. A fact that the Illuminati want to keep us in our homes and watch everything that we do so they can jab us with chips and have us believing that the earth is getting warmer. Or simply decide that it might be nice to not have to drive to the shops or sports centre as there's one just around the corner. Like I said, I'm sceptical, particularly of governments and authorities, but sometimes you just have to conclude that the most likely answer is straightforward and actually beneficial to us, and the planet Fair enough. That's reasonable and many/most people will cooperate. I'll likely resist as it just looks like another intervention that I didn't ask for or require. Plus i don't really enjoy being told what I can or can't do if it doesn't make sense to me. There's a lot in between the 2 extremes and calling people loons or robots, or conspiracy theorists or blind followers is lazy. Its classic divide and conquer stuff like in the movies. People seem quick to pigeon hole or label because of another's feelings or beliefs. Why can't we just get along with our differences and try a little compromise? If you(3rd you) want to stay in your 15 minute city and protect the planet, go for gold. I'm going out for a drive and perhaps ill bring you back something from afar! Look mate, you're clearly not reading what I've said. No one is being instructed to do anything different, or to comply to any guidelines at all. It's just simple common sense that if amenities are nearer, people will need to travel less. It's comments like yours that create divide based on the assumption that you're being oppressed. If you want to drive twice the distance to facilities when there's some nearer, then you go for it too if it makes you feel less oppressed. But unfortunately that sounds like more of an issue with your mental health than anything as it's irrational behaviour based on unfound fears. Why do the grifters, the failed actors and personalities, all preach the same conspiracy untruths ? 5g, COVID denial, anti Vax, climate change denial etc etc. Does the fact that they make lots of money for their dangerous views (but do little else of value) not make you suspicious of them, as opposed to scientists etc ? |
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Post by oldie on Dec 5, 2023 12:07:32 GMT
Fair enough. That's reasonable and many/most people will cooperate. I'll likely resist as it just looks like another intervention that I didn't ask for or require. Plus i don't really enjoy being told what I can or can't do if it doesn't make sense to me. There's a lot in between the 2 extremes and calling people loons or robots, or conspiracy theorists or blind followers is lazy. Its classic divide and conquer stuff like in the movies. People seem quick to pigeon hole or label because of another's feelings or beliefs. Why can't we just get along with our differences and try a little compromise? If you(3rd you) want to stay in your 15 minute city and protect the planet, go for gold. I'm going out for a drive and perhaps ill bring you back something from afar! Look mate, you're clearly not reading what I've said. No one is being instructed to do anything different, or to comply to any guidelines at all. It's just simple common sense that if amenities are nearer, people will need to travel less. It's comments like yours that create divide based on the assumption that you're being oppressed. If you want to drive twice the distance to facilities when there's some nearer, then you go for it too if it makes you feel less oppressed. But unfortunately that sounds like more of an issue with your mental health than anything as it's irrational behaviour based on unfound fears. Why do the grifters, the failed actors and personalities, all preach the same conspiracy untruths ? 5g, COVID denial, anti Vax, climate change denial etc etc. Does the fact that they make lots of money for their dangerous views (but do little else of value) not make you suspicious of them, as opposed to scientists etc ? Boom Nice one Popup. |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 5, 2023 12:40:34 GMT
Fair enough. That's reasonable and many/most people will cooperate. I'll likely resist as it just looks like another intervention that I didn't ask for or require. Plus i don't really enjoy being told what I can or can't do if it doesn't make sense to me. There's a lot in between the 2 extremes and calling people loons or robots, or conspiracy theorists or blind followers is lazy. Its classic divide and conquer stuff like in the movies. People seem quick to pigeon hole or label because of another's feelings or beliefs. Why can't we just get along with our differences and try a little compromise? If you(3rd you) want to stay in your 15 minute city and protect the planet, go for gold. I'm going out for a drive and perhaps ill bring you back something from afar! Look mate, you're clearly not reading what I've said. No one is being instructed to do anything different, or to comply to any guidelines at all. It's just simple common sense that if amenities are nearer, people will need to travel less. It's comments like yours that create divide based on the assumption that you're being oppressed. If you want to drive twice the distance to facilities when there's some nearer, then you go for it too if it makes you feel less oppressed. But unfortunately that sounds like more of an issue with your mental health than anything as it's irrational behaviour based on unfound fears. Why do the grifters, the failed actors and personalities, all preach the same conspiracy untruths ? 5g, COVID denial, anti Vax, climate change denial etc etc. Does the fact that they make lots of money for their dangerous views (but do little else of value) not make you suspicious of them, as opposed to scientists etc ? Hmm, I have read what you've written. If my response isn't what you want to read then I apologise. My mental health is fine but thanks anyway. Not sure why you are bringing up grifters and actors etc? I've no time for jumping on any particular side and it doesn't appear to be opposed to science either does it? Some of those people are scientists yet also have anti vax, anti climate views. Your oppression views are where we differ. They've installed road blocks in parts of the countryš¤·āāļø. It's called choice. |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 5, 2023 12:41:12 GMT
Look mate, you're clearly not reading what I've said. No one is being instructed to do anything different, or to comply to any guidelines at all. It's just simple common sense that if amenities are nearer, people will need to travel less. It's comments like yours that create divide based on the assumption that you're being oppressed. If you want to drive twice the distance to facilities when there's some nearer, then you go for it too if it makes you feel less oppressed. But unfortunately that sounds like more of an issue with your mental health than anything as it's irrational behaviour based on unfound fears. Why do the grifters, the failed actors and personalities, all preach the same conspiracy untruths ? 5g, COVID denial, anti Vax, climate change denial etc etc. Does the fact that they make lots of money for their dangerous views (but do little else of value) not make you suspicious of them, as opposed to scientists etc ? Boom Nice one Popup. Hey, you've morphed into a cheerleaderš¤£ |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 5, 2023 13:47:59 GMT
Look mate, you're clearly not reading what I've said. No one is being instructed to do anything different, or to comply to any guidelines at all. It's just simple common sense that if amenities are nearer, people will need to travel less. It's comments like yours that create divide based on the assumption that you're being oppressed. If you want to drive twice the distance to facilities when there's some nearer, then you go for it too if it makes you feel less oppressed. But unfortunately that sounds like more of an issue with your mental health than anything as it's irrational behaviour based on unfound fears. Why do the grifters, the failed actors and personalities, all preach the same conspiracy untruths ? 5g, COVID denial, anti Vax, climate change denial etc etc. Does the fact that they make lots of money for their dangerous views (but do little else of value) not make you suspicious of them, as opposed to scientists etc ? Hmm, I have read what you've written. If my response isn't what you want to read then I apologise. My mental health is fine but thanks anyway. Not sure why you are bringing up grifters and actors etc? I've no time for jumping on any particular side and it doesn't appear to be opposed to science either does it? Some of those people are scientists yet also have anti vax, anti climate views. Your oppression views are where we differ. They've installed road blocks in parts of the countryš¤·āāļø. It's called choice. You told me 2 days ago you hadn't paid much attention to the 15 minute cities debate, now you're view is that it's oppressive. How have you been oppressed? Where are these roadblocks and where on earth did you read about them ? I knew I shouldn't have brought it up. The failed actors and failed personalities I mentioned include Fox, Oliver and Brand, amongst others. They deny the same truths and protest about the same issues. These are the idiots who make money from spreading dangerous ideas to the vulnerable. Unfortunately a large proportion of their followers take them at their word instead of listening to rational, reasoned alternatives. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 5, 2023 14:11:02 GMT
Hey, you've morphed into a cheerleaderš¤£ When someone posts a succinct and accurate post, it's worth a mention, I think. When others post up tripe, blatantly stupid tripe, whilst suggesting that tripe is true, that is worth a challenge. I have no idea why you keep doing it, posting tripe, it does not appear to be convincing anyone and frankly makes you look ridiculous. But hey ho.... |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 7, 2023 9:32:18 GMT
Hmm, I have read what you've written. If my response isn't what you want to read then I apologise. My mental health is fine but thanks anyway. Not sure why you are bringing up grifters and actors etc? I've no time for jumping on any particular side and it doesn't appear to be opposed to science either does it? Some of those people are scientists yet also have anti vax, anti climate views. Your oppression views are where we differ. They've installed road blocks in parts of the countryš¤·āāļø. It's called choice. You told me 2 days ago you hadn't paid much attention to the 15 minute cities debate, now you're view is that it's oppressive. How have you been oppressed? Where are these roadblocks and where on earth did you read about them ? I knew I shouldn't have brought it up. The failed actors and failed personalities I mentioned include Fox, Oliver and Brand, amongst others. They deny the same truths and protest about the same issues. These are the idiots who make money from spreading dangerous ideas to the vulnerable. Unfortunately a large proportion of their followers take them at their word instead of listening to rational, reasoned alternatives. That's still the case. I dont watch the news or read a paper, but with work and family/fronds,you hear about these things. Surely the road blocks are no secret? Anyway, yeah OK I see what you mean about Russel brand and the others. I look at twitter and see posts from people like Mike Yeadon, Malhotra, Judith curry etc. These people have quals unlike Le Tissier etc but I don't discount people's opinions based on letters after their name. |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 7, 2023 9:36:09 GMT
Hey, you've morphed into a cheerleaderš¤£ When someone posts a succinct and accurate post, it's worth a mention, I think. When others post up tripe, blatantly stupid tripe, whilst suggesting that tripe is true, that is worth a challenge. I have no idea why you keep doing it, posting tripe, it does not appear to be convincing anyone and frankly makes you look ridiculous. But hey ho.... That's your opinion and you are transparent anyway. I use this board for a bit of time out and happy to have light arguments, debates, oppose views etc. FSR you are hell bent on talking down to anybody with an opposing view, come across really patronising and tbh you are rude. That's my opinion and I think you should reflect on your manners. I tatters to neither of us what the other person thinks, that's obvious but I'm ok with disagreement whereas you seem to enjoy sniping and behaving like a jerk. Why is this? Why beige that on an anonymous chat board? Were you bullied at school? |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 7, 2023 10:27:51 GMT
Heās playing the victim again ā¦.. of course after heās dished out loads of put downs in the past.
Classic šš
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 7, 2023 11:05:14 GMT
You told me 2 days ago you hadn't paid much attention to the 15 minute cities debate, now you're view is that it's oppressive. How have you been oppressed? Where are these roadblocks and where on earth did you read about them ? I knew I shouldn't have brought it up. The failed actors and failed personalities I mentioned include Fox, Oliver and Brand, amongst others. They deny the same truths and protest about the same issues. These are the idiots who make money from spreading dangerous ideas to the vulnerable. Unfortunately a large proportion of their followers take them at their word instead of listening to rational, reasoned alternatives. That's still the case. I dont watch the news or read a paper, but with work and family/fronds,you hear about these things. Surely the road blocks are no secret? Anyway, yeah OK I see what you mean about Russel brand and the others. I look at twitter and see posts from people like Mike Yeadon, Malhotra, Judith curry etc. These people have quals unlike Le Tissier etc but I don't discount people's opinions based on letters after their name. Haven't those people been discredited ? Yeadon didn't work with vaccines and hasn't worked since 2011 I think. Still, I do realise it won't make any difference to your views in the slightest but they do interest me. I agree that it's healthy to be sceptical, and to make your own mind up about important issues. We're far more likely to adhere to advice and guidance if we have a full understanding of the rationale behind them. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you do give the impression of someone who will automatically oppose anything you believe you are being told to do that is different to how you would normally behave. Nothing wrong with that at all. However, you also do not seem to fully research the issues themselves and are happier to debunk them as it would require a change in your behaviour. To reinforce this (again, forgive me if I'm incorrect), you seek evidence which suits your views to justify your unwillingness to change. I won't pretend I know anything much at all about climate change, it's a bit late for me in terms of my education. However, I'm prepared to accept that our civilisation's behaviour has very likely damaged the planet and the pollution and emissions need to be reduced. If statistical analysis is informing us that the earth is getting warmer then I would also agree there will be huge consequences. Recycling is also, surely, just good common sense. As for COVID, well, again, some common sense and rational thought might lead to the conclusion that it wasn't in fact a hoax, or indeed an over reaction to lockdown and restrict. I could bang on about the number of deaths and of my personal experience of friends who contracted it, but that's not really my point and I'm not sure it would make any difference to your views in the slightest. The point again is about individuals being asked to change their behaviour, for the greater good. Most people I knew weighed this up, based on their research and personal experience, and agreed it was the correct response. Whether that be wearing a mask or staying at home. The 2 or 3 people I know who didn't agree (not surprising they refuse to recycle and deny climate change) did so mainly on the basis that they didn't want to, and therefore they didn't. They were not prepared to change their behaviour and have since sought justification for this by spamming me with random YouTube videos. The point here is that they had already decided that they wouldn't comply and have since found 'evidence' which backs this up. When challenged about this, I'm told it is because I'm 'woke'. Woke appears to be the phrase used by many who simply are unable or unwilling to change their behaviour whether it is necessary or not. So my point a few days ago, about paranoia and conspiracy, seems that it may stem from a fear of accepting a need to change, and the seeking of justification for not. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 7, 2023 11:39:13 GMT
That's still the case. I dont watch the news or read a paper, but with work and family/fronds,you hear about these things. Surely the road blocks are no secret? Anyway, yeah OK I see what you mean about Russel brand and the others. I look at twitter and see posts from people like Mike Yeadon, Malhotra, Judith curry etc. These people have quals unlike Le Tissier etc but I don't discount people's opinions based on letters after their name. Haven't those people been discredited ? Yeadon didn't work with vaccines and hasn't worked since 2011 I think. Still, I do realise it won't make any difference to your views in the slightest but they do interest me. I agree that it's healthy to be sceptical, and to make your own mind up about important issues. We're far more likely to adhere to advice and guidance if we have a full understanding of the rationale behind them. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you do give the impression of someone who will automatically oppose anything you believe you are being told to do that is different to how you would normally behave. Nothing wrong with that at all. However, you also do not seem to fully research the issues themselves and are happier to debunk them as it would require a change in your behaviour. To reinforce this (again, forgive me if I'm incorrect), you seek evidence which suits your views to justify your unwillingness to change. I won't pretend I know anything much at all about climate change, it's a bit late for me in terms of my education. However, I'm prepared to accept that our civilisation's behaviour has very likely damaged the planet and the pollution and emissions need to be reduced. If statistical analysis is informing us that the earth is getting warmer then I would also agree there will be huge consequences. Recycling is also, surely, just good common sense. As for COVID, well, again, some common sense and rational thought might lead to the conclusion that it wasn't in fact a hoax, or indeed an over reaction to lockdown and restrict. I could bang on about the number of deaths and of my personal experience of friends who contracted it, but that's not really my point and I'm not sure it would make any difference to your views in the slightest. The point again is about individuals being asked to change their behaviour, for the greater good. Most people I knew weighed this up, based on their research and personal experience, and agreed it was the correct response. Whether that be wearing a mask or staying at home. The 2 or 3 people I know who didn't agree (not surprising they refuse to recycle and deny climate change) did so mainly on the basis that they didn't want to, and therefore they didn't. They were not prepared to change their behaviour and have since sought justification for this by spamming me with random YouTube videos. The point here is that they had already decided that they wouldn't comply and have since found 'evidence' which backs this up. When challenged about this, I'm told it is because I'm 'woke'. Woke appears to be the phrase used by many who simply are unable or unwilling to change their behaviour whether it is necessary or not. So my point a few days ago, about paranoia and conspiracy, seems that it may stem from a fear of accepting a need to change, and the seeking of justification for not. Well said Popup but it wonāt make a thread of difference to the thought process of people like 79. Thatās one thing I have learnt since posting in this section š |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 7, 2023 18:58:19 GMT
Coronavirus is an anagram of carnivorous.
I rest my case.
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Post by oldie on Dec 7, 2023 19:11:02 GMT
Haven't those people been discredited ? Yeadon didn't work with vaccines and hasn't worked since 2011 I think. Still, I do realise it won't make any difference to your views in the slightest but they do interest me. I agree that it's healthy to be sceptical, and to make your own mind up about important issues. We're far more likely to adhere to advice and guidance if we have a full understanding of the rationale behind them. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you do give the impression of someone who will automatically oppose anything you believe you are being told to do that is different to how you would normally behave. Nothing wrong with that at all. However, you also do not seem to fully research the issues themselves and are happier to debunk them as it would require a change in your behaviour. To reinforce this (again, forgive me if I'm incorrect), you seek evidence which suits your views to justify your unwillingness to change. I won't pretend I know anything much at all about climate change, it's a bit late for me in terms of my education. However, I'm prepared to accept that our civilisation's behaviour has very likely damaged the planet and the pollution and emissions need to be reduced. If statistical analysis is informing us that the earth is getting warmer then I would also agree there will be huge consequences. Recycling is also, surely, just good common sense. As for COVID, well, again, some common sense and rational thought might lead to the conclusion that it wasn't in fact a hoax, or indeed an over reaction to lockdown and restrict. I could bang on about the number of deaths and of my personal experience of friends who contracted it, but that's not really my point and I'm not sure it would make any difference to your views in the slightest. The point again is about individuals being asked to change their behaviour, for the greater good. Most people I knew weighed this up, based on their research and personal experience, and agreed it was the correct response. Whether that be wearing a mask or staying at home. The 2 or 3 people I know who didn't agree (not surprising they refuse to recycle and deny climate change) did so mainly on the basis that they didn't want to, and therefore they didn't. They were not prepared to change their behaviour and have since sought justification for this by spamming me with random YouTube videos. The point here is that they had already decided that they wouldn't comply and have since found 'evidence' which backs this up. When challenged about this, I'm told it is because I'm 'woke'. Woke appears to be the phrase used by many who simply are unable or unwilling to change their behaviour whether it is necessary or not. So my point a few days ago, about paranoia and conspiracy, seems that it may stem from a fear of accepting a need to change, and the seeking of justification for not. Well said Popup but it wonāt make a thread of difference to the thought process of people like 79. Thatās one thing I have learnt since posting in this section š Absolutely well said...again. |
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Post by oldie on Dec 7, 2023 19:13:12 GMT
When someone posts a succinct and accurate post, it's worth a mention, I think. When others post up tripe, blatantly stupid tripe, whilst suggesting that tripe is true, that is worth a challenge. I have no idea why you keep doing it, posting tripe, it does not appear to be convincing anyone and frankly makes you look ridiculous. But hey ho.... That's your opinion and you are transparent anyway. I use this board for a bit of time out and happy to have light arguments, debates, oppose views etc. FSR you are hell bent on talking down to anybody with an opposing view, come across really patronising and tbh you are rude. That's my opinion and I think you should reflect on your manners. I tatters to neither of us what the other person thinks, that's obvious but I'm ok with disagreement whereas you seem to enjoy sniping and behaving like a jerk. Why is this? Why beige that on an anonymous chat board? Were you bullied at school? Just saw this. Still laughing |
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Post by aghast on Dec 7, 2023 23:02:46 GMT
That's still the case. I dont watch the news or read a paper, but with work and family/fronds,you hear about these things. Surely the road blocks are no secret? Anyway, yeah OK I see what you mean about Russel brand and the others. I look at twitter and see posts from people like Mike Yeadon, Malhotra, Judith curry etc. These people have quals unlike Le Tissier etc but I don't discount people's opinions based on letters after their name. Haven't those people been discredited ? Yeadon didn't work with vaccines and hasn't worked since 2011 I think. Still, I do realise it won't make any difference to your views in the slightest but they do interest me. I agree that it's healthy to be sceptical, and to make your own mind up about important issues. We're far more likely to adhere to advice and guidance if we have a full understanding of the rationale behind them. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you do give the impression of someone who will automatically oppose anything you believe you are being told to do that is different to how you would normally behave. Nothing wrong with that at all. However, you also do not seem to fully research the issues themselves and are happier to debunk them as it would require a change in your behaviour. To reinforce this (again, forgive me if I'm incorrect), you seek evidence which suits your views to justify your unwillingness to change. I won't pretend I know anything much at all about climate change, it's a bit late for me in terms of my education. However, I'm prepared to accept that our civilisation's behaviour has very likely damaged the planet and the pollution and emissions need to be reduced. If statistical analysis is informing us that the earth is getting warmer then I would also agree there will be huge consequences. Recycling is also, surely, just good common sense. As for COVID, well, again, some common sense and rational thought might lead to the conclusion that it wasn't in fact a hoax, or indeed an over reaction to lockdown and restrict. I could bang on about the number of deaths and of my personal experience of friends who contracted it, but that's not really my point and I'm not sure it would make any difference to your views in the slightest. The point again is about individuals being asked to change their behaviour, for the greater good. Most people I knew weighed this up, based on their research and personal experience, and agreed it was the correct response. Whether that be wearing a mask or staying at home. The 2 or 3 people I know who didn't agree (not surprising they refuse to recycle and deny climate change) did so mainly on the basis that they didn't want to, and therefore they didn't. They were not prepared to change their behaviour and have since sought justification for this by spamming me with random YouTube videos. The point here is that they had already decided that they wouldn't comply and have since found 'evidence' which backs this up. When challenged about this, I'm told it is because I'm 'woke'. Woke appears to be the phrase used by many who simply are unable or unwilling to change their behaviour whether it is necessary or not. So my point a few days ago, about paranoia and conspiracy, seems that it may stem from a fear of accepting a need to change, and the seeking of justification for not. Interesting you say that about refusal to accept any change. Like you, I know two COVID deniers very well indeed and both also refuse to recycle as much as possible, and also deny climate change. Probably completely unrelated but they both voted for Brexit, which oddly was one change they couldn't wait to happen.š¤ |
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