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Post by aghast on Dec 22, 2023 22:40:14 GMT
There's a lot of polarised opinion on this thread, which is to be expected I suppose. A personal example of why there is a grey area (to me anyway): I took all the jabs offered and had 2 bouts (one nasty) of the blessed virus. 8 months after the second, I was diagnosed with Atrial Fibrillation and other heart issues. These had never previously been detected, nor had I shown any symptoms. While waiting for the Cardiologist to decide next steps, I had another Covid jab in September. The symptoms of my heart issues increased exponentially and 2 weeks ago, the surgery was done. When they offer me a jab next year (as on the vulnerable list), it will take some soul searching as to whether to accept. Too many instances on this thread of people being dismissed because their views vary from the "accepted". That's not cool. Sorry to hear this, I'm sure it presents a dilemma as to your decision on future jabs. It's bound to. Similarly, I spoke to a mate from Blackpool yesterday(trying to sort out some activties for my brother who is heading up today) who had suffered a stroke last year. He was on the priority list for jabs at 40ish and took the first 2. He says that he hasn't been the same since, suffering with severe tiredness and various other random issues that weren't present before. He has removed himself from the mailing list and had an argument with his GP! There are all sorts of stories emerging from nations around the world but of course, much of it doesn't reach mainstream. Texas and Florida with recent lawsuits for example. Data continues to be collected so let's see how it all continues. Good luck DrF šš¼ The point I was making was about your subtle but detectable implication that NHS staff are avoiding vaccines for reasons not known to the public. Not that there might be a problem with the vaccines, because in some limited cases, there are problems with bad reactions to the jab. It's the suggestion that the front line workers are choosing not to vaccinate because they know it's unsafe, but for reasons I cannot imagine are allowing their patients to go through it. It's a bit like the moon landings conspiracy. Thousands must have known it was a hoax, presumably, for them to get away with it, but not one single person has ever provided any credible evidence of a cover up. Same for knowing the jabs were potentially life threatening but keeping schtum. It's a bit ludicrous really. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 22, 2023 23:03:29 GMT
Sorry to hear this, I'm sure it presents a dilemma as to your decision on future jabs. It's bound to. Similarly, I spoke to a mate from Blackpool yesterday(trying to sort out some activties for my brother who is heading up today) who had suffered a stroke last year. He was on the priority list for jabs at 40ish and took the first 2. He says that he hasn't been the same since, suffering with severe tiredness and various other random issues that weren't present before. He has removed himself from the mailing list and had an argument with his GP! There are all sorts of stories emerging from nations around the world but of course, much of it doesn't reach mainstream. Texas and Florida with recent lawsuits for example. Data continues to be collected so let's see how it all continues. Good luck DrF šš¼ The point I was making was about your subtle but detectable implication that NHS staff are avoiding vaccines for reasons not known to the public. Not that there might be a problem with the vaccines, because in some limited cases, there are problems with bad reactions to the jab. It's the suggestion that the front line workers are choosing not to vaccinate because they know it's unsafe, but for reasons I cannot imagine are allowing their patients to go through it. It's a bit like the moon landings conspiracy. Thousands must have known it was a hoax, presumably, for them to get away with it, but not one single person has ever provided any credible evidence of a cover up. Same for knowing the jabs were potentially life threatening but keeping schtum. It's a bit ludicrous really. Itās beyond ludicrous. Yet still it goes on š |
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Post by oldie on Dec 23, 2023 5:24:31 GMT
The point I was making was about your subtle but detectable implication that NHS staff are avoiding vaccines for reasons not known to the public. Not that there might be a problem with the vaccines, because in some limited cases, there are problems with bad reactions to the jab. It's the suggestion that the front line workers are choosing not to vaccinate because they know it's unsafe, but for reasons I cannot imagine are allowing their patients to go through it. It's a bit like the moon landings conspiracy. Thousands must have known it was a hoax, presumably, for them to get away with it, but not one single person has ever provided any credible evidence of a cover up. Same for knowing the jabs were potentially life threatening but keeping schtum. It's a bit ludicrous really. Itās beyond ludicrous. Yet still it goes on š What I don't understand is why post he posts this rubbish? What drives him to do it |
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Post by DrFaustus on Dec 23, 2023 9:30:24 GMT
Thank you Les and good luck too!Afib is crap. Yes, ablation. Hurt a lot until they gave me additional pain relief and sedation and I was away š¤”. Also have Bradycardia and Mitral Regurgitation, so was put on a priority list. Bit of a bugger because my diet is good, do loads of exercise and am slim etc. Consultant told me to expect the procedure to fail first time, so may need another and likely a pacemaker later. Hey ho, enough self pity nonsense, sorry. As for the various news sites, agreed some may seen left field, but calling people crackers or similar, isn't necessary. Merry Christmas and a peaceful and healthy Christmas to you and yours and anyone else reading. š„š
Hi Doc , Iām getting worried about your ticker when the Gas start their late surge into the Automatic spots and Rangers topple Celtic to win the title. Take it easy mate šš A double celebration YG - it's almost worth more surgery. š“āā ļøš“ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó “ó æā½ļø |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 23, 2023 11:22:41 GMT
Sorry to hear this, I'm sure it presents a dilemma as to your decision on future jabs. It's bound to. Similarly, I spoke to a mate from Blackpool yesterday(trying to sort out some activties for my brother who is heading up today) who had suffered a stroke last year. He was on the priority list for jabs at 40ish and took the first 2. He says that he hasn't been the same since, suffering with severe tiredness and various other random issues that weren't present before. He has removed himself from the mailing list and had an argument with his GP! There are all sorts of stories emerging from nations around the world but of course, much of it doesn't reach mainstream. Texas and Florida with recent lawsuits for example. Data continues to be collected so let's see how it all continues. Good luck DrF šš¼ The point I was making was about your subtle but detectable implication that NHS staff are avoiding vaccines for reasons not known to the public. Not that there might be a problem with the vaccines, because in some limited cases, there are problems with bad reactions to the jab. It's the suggestion that the front line workers are choosing not to vaccinate because they know it's unsafe, but for reasons I cannot imagine are allowing their patients to go through it. It's a bit like the moon landings conspiracy. Thousands must have known it was a hoax, presumably, for them to get away with it, but not one single person has ever provided any credible evidence of a cover up. Same for knowing the jabs were potentially life threatening but keeping schtum. It's a bit ludicrous really. I only shared the article. Liking this to the moon landings conspiracy is a transparent attempt to rubbish the article? People can conclude what they want but the figures are interesting. You'd think that with the coercion and threats plus the actual environment, front line healthcare would be at high 90%, but it's not. Practice what you preach n all that.. Why don't the BBC interview them to find out and tell the public? |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 23, 2023 11:26:53 GMT
Perhaps? I guess there's a chance that this tiny subset are seeing these results because of the occupation. That would have been the case prior to the jab rollout though surely? Not sure why your science qualification bears any importance whilst reading a news article either tbh? The other way to look at this, is that *if* this subset of (fit, healthy) people are suffering from a side effect of the meds, its a real worry for Joe public and in fact ties in with some of the data now pulling through on excess deaths. But yeah, sure fob it off by all means š. Well first of all I wanted to clarify I'm not an expert....and of course despite these claims being debunked already, there is a huge covid but non-vaccine related issue that affected pilots - the stress of no one flying anywhere for months/years - and at the start the threat of their job (in fact their whole career) not only being lost but potentially not existing any more... ...stress can manifest itself in a lot of heart-related issues... Ok, so all these pilots have their heart issues because they were stressed about losing their careers. Nothing to do with the medicine they were all given. Got you. š |
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Post by oldie on Dec 23, 2023 13:35:37 GMT
Well first of all I wanted to clarify I'm not an expert....and of course despite these claims being debunked already, there is a huge covid but non-vaccine related issue that affected pilots - the stress of no one flying anywhere for months/years - and at the start the threat of their job (in fact their whole career) not only being lost but potentially not existing any more... ...stress can manifest itself in a lot of heart-related issues... Ok, so all these pilots have their heart issues because they were stressed about losing their careers. Nothing to do with the medicine they were all given. Got you. š Show the evidence otherwise? For instance what is the historic run rate of heart disease amongst pilots compared with the general population? |
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Post by oldie on Dec 23, 2023 13:38:23 GMT
Let me help you out
"Heart disease is the #1 cause of disease-related death in pilots & astronauts in the world and coronary artery disease (CAD) is found in 85% of pilot autopsies after fatal accidents [1], [2], [3]. Acute cardiovascular incidents in flight crew can result in in-flight emergencies requiring emergency diversion, or at worst a major aircraft accident"
You absolute fruit.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 23, 2023 13:49:48 GMT
Let me help you out "Heart disease is the #1 cause of disease-related death in pilots & astronauts in the world and coronary artery disease (CAD) is found in 85% of pilot autopsies after fatal accidents [1], [2], [3]. Acute cardiovascular incidents in flight crew can result in in-flight emergencies requiring emergency diversion, or at worst a major aircraft accident" You absolute fruit. Donāt spoil things with bloody facts , whatever next ? š |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 23, 2023 19:05:34 GMT
Knowing then what you know now, how many of you would have the covid jabs?
Personally, if I had my time over, I would not have had them.
I had 3 jabs and got covid 3 times anyway. (Once before my first jab).
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Post by Gassy on Dec 23, 2023 20:00:08 GMT
Knowing then what you know now, how many of you would have the covid jabs? Personally, if I had my time over, I would not have had them. I had 3 jabs and got covid 3 times anyway. (Once before my first jab). The point of the jab isnāt so you catch it. It reduces symptoms when you do, making hospitalisation much less likely. Data has backed up the drop in hospitalisations Vs infections drastically. Iāve had three jabs, caught covid once and I was really ill. Had to have anitbiotics as my breathing started getting worse after 4/5 days. Iād have my booster a couple of months ago, being asthmatic, and will continue to do so, happily. |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 23, 2023 20:00:46 GMT
Knowing then what you know now, how many of you would have the covid jabs? Personally, if I had my time over, I would not have had them. I had 3 jabs and got covid 3 times anyway. (Once before my first jab). I would. I've had COVID at least twice though, but consider that the jabs helped reduce the severity of the symptoms. Which is also what it's supposed to do. Having said that, I'm not sure if I'd have another or not. Probably would if a more concerning strain was identified or if I encounter other health issues. I might be very wrong but the more recent strains don't seem to be as nasty (or perhaps the previous jabs have protected me). It's not possible to say how unwell I'd have been without the jabs, so with hindsight I'd still have had them |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 23, 2023 21:55:46 GMT
Iād take it again to mitigate risks for myself and the vulnerable people I might be in contact with and also because Iām not a self obsessed plonker thinking only about myself.
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Post by DrFaustus on Dec 23, 2023 22:14:07 GMT
Knowing then what you know now, how many of you would have the covid jabs? Personally, if I had my time over, I would not have had them. I had 3 jabs and got covid 3 times anyway. (Once before my first jab). Had 5 jabs (old) and next year when offered, I think it'll be a "no thanks". Much the same with any virus or infectious illness, I'd not deliberately put others at risk anyway. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 23, 2023 23:02:29 GMT
Knowing then what you know now, how many of you would have the covid jabs? Personally, if I had my time over, I would not have had them. I had 3 jabs and got covid 3 times anyway. (Once before my first jab). Had 5 jabs (old) and next year when offered, I think it'll be a "no thanks". Much the same with any virus or infectious illness, I'd not deliberately put others at risk anyway. Why would you think a 6th jab could be harmful to you when youāve had 5 before ? Think Iāve just had the 3 now , I forget ? Maybe it affects memory! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 24, 2023 1:13:56 GMT
Knowing then what you know now, how many of you would have the covid jabs? Personally, if I had my time over, I would not have had them. I had 3 jabs and got covid 3 times anyway. (Once before my first jab). I'd do it again. Had covid last year and only mildly for an afternoon. However as a carer, had I had one of the earlier variations I'm in little doubt that it would have been more debilitating and more serious, both for me and those around me. I'll be taking the future jabs along with the annual flu jab when I get the chance. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 24, 2023 1:18:15 GMT
There's a lot of polarised opinion on this thread, which is to be expected I suppose. A personal example of why there is a grey area (to me anyway): I took all the jabs offered and had 2 bouts (one nasty) of the blessed virus. 8 months after the second, I was diagnosed with Atrial Fibrillation and other heart issues. These had never previously been detected, nor had I shown any symptoms. While waiting for the Cardiologist to decide next steps, I had another Covid jab in September. The symptoms of my heart issues increased exponentially and 2 weeks ago, the surgery was done. When they offer me a jab next year (as on the vulnerable list), it will take some soul searching as to whether to accept. Too many instances on this thread of people being dismissed because their views vary from the "accepted". That's not cool. Sorry to hear that, hope things sort themselves out. With regards to the polarised argument, I think it stems from the early days and the amount of conspiracies peddled at the time, it's made some of us question the motivation of anyone posting who seems a little off message. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 24, 2023 1:58:48 GMT
What are the actual numbers? For example 3 cases instead of 2 would be a 150% increase. If you follow your links to the primary source, the DoD information is questionable due to data entry errors and they have also questioned the cause being covid itself rather than the vaccine. Finally, the whistle-blower and the sites he's gone to come across (I'm being polite here) as conspiracy theorists sensationalism rather than investigative journalists. |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 24, 2023 8:27:29 GMT
Knowing then what you know now, how many of you would have the covid jabs? Personally, if I had my time over, I would not have had them. I had 3 jabs and got covid 3 times anyway. (Once before my first jab). If you asked this question to a random group in public, you'd get a different set of answers to what these guys will offer. You don't even need to ask. Just look at the take up today to see that people have lost interest. Plenty only got it because they were threatened. Holidays, employment, stigma, made people lose their heads and agree to get a needle stuck in them without any thoughtful decision making process. The mainstream media absolutely swamped people with panic. So much so that the shops ran out of bog roll and the petrol stations ran out of fuel. The force was strong and it consumed otherwise intelligent folk. I even panic bought bogroll at one stage!š³ |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 24, 2023 8:31:09 GMT
What are the actual numbers? For example 3 cases instead of 2 would be a 150% increase. If you follow your links to the primary source, the DoD information is questionable due to data entry errors and they have also questioned the cause being covid itself rather than the vaccine. Finally, the whistle-blower and the sites he's gone to come across (I'm being polite here) as conspiracy theorists sensationalism rather than investigative journalists. The numbers are probably as you state, quite small which produce large %s. Same as many of these things though. There were 17 icu beds with breathing apparatus at Southmead for peak covid. So when they say at 200% capacity, it ain't all that... |
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