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Post by bluestickgas1 on Aug 16, 2023 21:57:29 GMT
Not itk but I think we’ll see Lawrence & Jones go out on loan, Belly go on loan on deadline day with a perm move at Xmas or next summer and that’s about it unless a big money offer comes in for Collins and then he’ll go too….I do think we’ll sign Teo and then one maybe 2 others….Vale and Brown can play the replacement Collins role leaving Teo as cover etc for Sincs…
Reckon we’ll def see another DCM come in
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Post by pirate on Aug 17, 2023 8:50:26 GMT
Even at the age of 36 Steven Fletcher would probably still score goals for us with the amount of chances created
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 17, 2023 9:13:41 GMT
Even at the age of 36 Steven Fletcher would probably still score goals for us with the amount of chances created Would we create as many chances then though?? One of the reasons we have created so many chances, is because of the movement and fluidity of our attack. Marquis pulls defenders around, drops back in to midfield and changes with Collins etc. Not to mention the high press we play at times during a match. It would be good to sign a goal scorer, as sometimes you need to play a different way. We definitely need an upgrade an Loft. But any striker we sign, needs to be mobile as well IMO. I know a lot of people have said, if we had a goal scorer, we would have won our games comfortably. But we wouldn't have played as well and created as many chances, with a less mobile striker. So we don't know how many points we would have got with one. We either need a goal scorer, but we have to make sure that they can also fit into our system. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 9:30:57 GMT
We seriously have to move on Loft - he adds next to nothing.
Belshaw has to go - Bad Apple Syndrome and clearly not in the plans
Delighted that Evans and now McCormick seem to have found some VaVaVoom - Personally would hang on to Jones.
Hoping to see a Striker and DCM (expecting both to be loans) I sensed from JBs words there are only two more expected in.
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Post by fanboy on Aug 17, 2023 10:17:00 GMT
We seriously have to move on Loft - he adds next to nothing. Belshaw has to go - Bad Apple Syndrome and clearly not in the plans Delighted that Evans and now McCormick seem to have found some VaVaVoom - Personally would hang on to Jones. Hoping to see a Striker and DCM (expecting both to be loans) I sensed from JBs words there are only two more expected in. Would prefer Jones go out on a (decent) loan if poss. |
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Post by pirate on Aug 17, 2023 11:35:26 GMT
Even at the age of 36 Steven Fletcher would probably still score goals for us with the amount of chances created Would we create as many chances then though?? One of the reasons we have created so many chances, is because of the movement and fluidity of our attack. Marquis pulls defenders around, drops back in to midfield and changes with Collins etc. Not to mention the high press we play at times during a match. It would be good to sign a goal scorer, as sometimes you need to play a different way. We definitely need an upgrade an Loft. But any striker we sign, needs to be mobile as well IMO. I know a lot of people have said, if we had a goal scorer, we would have won our games comfortably. But we wouldn't have played as well and created as many chances, with a less mobile striker. So we don't know how many points we would have got with one. We either need a goal scorer, but we have to make sure that they can also fit into our system. All fair points that have to be taken into consideration and I did think similar too, but looking at the Charlton game and pattern of play for some of our chances I'm confident that someone like Fletcher would've been on the end of that chance in the box first half that Marquis misses and buries it instead and probably even finishes the chance that was cleared off the line from Marquis in the 2nd half. He certainly gets on the end of and buries the header missed by Marquis on the 6 yard box against Barnsley and the chance he stroked wide in the 2nd half and also the one where he hits the bar too. That is 4 or 5 chances of which there is no reason why he shouldn't have been on the end of and I'm confident he finishes them too. I'm sure we can find a way with a combination of the likes of Collins, Evans, Brown, Thomas, Vale etc to create enough chances for Fletcher to fill his boots, even if he is just an option off the bench or plays for 60 minutes and then replaced. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 17, 2023 11:50:23 GMT
Would we create as many chances then though?? One of the reasons we have created so many chances, is because of the movement and fluidity of our attack. Marquis pulls defenders around, drops back in to midfield and changes with Collins etc. Not to mention the high press we play at times during a match. It would be good to sign a goal scorer, as sometimes you need to play a different way. We definitely need an upgrade an Loft. But any striker we sign, needs to be mobile as well IMO. I know a lot of people have said, if we had a goal scorer, we would have won our games comfortably. But we wouldn't have played as well and created as many chances, with a less mobile striker. So we don't know how many points we would have got with one. We either need a goal scorer, but we have to make sure that they can also fit into our system. All fair points that have to be taken into consideration and I did think similar too, but looking at the Charlton game and pattern of play for some of our chances I'm confident that someone like Fletcher would've been on the end of that chance in the box first half that Marquis misses and buries it instead and probably even finishes the chance that was cleared off the line from Marquis in the 2nd half. He certainly gets on the end of and buries the header missed by Marquis on the 6 yard box against Barnsley and the chance he stroked wide in the 2nd half and also the one where he hits the bar too. That is 4 or 5 chances of which there is no reason why he shouldn't have been on the end of and I'm confident he finishes them too. I'm sure we can find a way with a combination of the likes of Collins, Evans, Brown, Thomas, Vale etc to create enough chances for Fletcher to fill his boots, even if he is just an option off the bench or plays for 60 minutes and then replaced. I agree he would have scored the chances and Marquis wasn't involved in the build up, so it's easy to say, that the same might have happened. But the whole game would have been different. Against a lies mobile striker, their defence would be playing higher up the pitch in the first place. This can be rectified, if we get Collins or Thomas in behind a few times, to make them drop off a bit. It's hard to say, if we would score more, until we put it into practice though. As the chances might not have come along, if we were pushed back. We definitely need a different option, that isn't Loft though! Last season Plymouth had strikers that would get in behind and press high up the pitch. But then they had Cosgrove as a back up option. A striker that is going to fit into our system and score goals, is going to cost a lot more than our transfer record. So we will have to change the way we play, when they are playing. Unless we get a decent young player on loan or a non league talent that can be developed. Ideally we can sign a goal scorer, even if it means they only play, when we play slightly different and a young striker on loan. Plus a holding midfielder. |
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Post by TAGas on Aug 17, 2023 12:47:41 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 17, 2023 13:01:03 GMT
Does the 'Sell On' we have for JCH still come into effect if it's us who signs him? Could make perfect business sense if it does. |
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Post by Gas-Ed on Aug 17, 2023 13:09:51 GMT
I’ve heard a whisper that JCH is the transfer that we should be excited about.
I think it’s actually happening.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Aug 17, 2023 13:13:17 GMT
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Post by TAGas on Aug 17, 2023 13:16:14 GMT
Does the 'Sell On' we have for JCH still come into effect if it's us who signs him? Could make perfect business sense if it does. I'm not sure how it would work, but hypothetically if a club like Derby was to offer Peterborough £1 Million and we were to offer the same. We would probably say don't worry about the 20% sell on as if they sold to Derby, Peterborough would get £800k and us £200K |
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Post by oasisgas on Aug 17, 2023 13:17:57 GMT
Does the 'Sell On' we have for JCH still come into effect if it's us who signs him? Could make perfect business sense if it does. Got a feeling its on profit they make so if its 20% which is the rumour and he went for like £1.2m then we would only get like £40k so not massive figures. I could see the club breaking the transfer record but I really can't see us spending anything close to a million let alone over a million. Only way a deal could be done is if he would be desperate to join and he is a due a percentage from the sale and he agrees to wave that money which could then come off the fee we pay but while he is said to like Joey and vice versa would it be enough for him to give up some money and thats even if there is anything in place??? But..... If the new chariman wants to make a statement to the fans then what better way than to get JCH back. |
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Post by RD on Aug 17, 2023 13:22:36 GMT
Does the 'Sell On' we have for JCH still come into effect if it's us who signs him? Could make perfect business sense if it does. Got a feeling its on profit they make so if its 20% which is the rumour and he went for like £1.2m then we would only get like £40k so not massive figures. I could see the club breaking the transfer record but I really can't see us spending anything close to a million let alone over a million. Only way a deal could be done is if he would be desperate to join and he is a due a percentage from the sale and he agrees to wave that money which could then come off the fee we pay but while he is said to like Joey and vice versa would it be enough for him to give up some money and thats even if there is anything in place??? But..... If the new chariman wants to make a statement to the fans then what better way than to get JCH back. Yeh, can't see it. If we were talking £500k then MAYBE.... But he's gonna be £1m plus, let's be honest. Unless the new owners really do have deep pockets and want to make a statement, I'd be very surprised. Furthermore, if two others are seriously interested with that money to burn, it must be one if not two of the biggest clubs at this level. So even if we were prepared to pay the fee, you'd expect one of the other two (if not both) to probably be a more attractive proposition, and be able to pay higher wages. Can't see it personally. |
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Post by percy on Aug 17, 2023 13:34:05 GMT
I thought the sell on is on profit and we got about £2m in the end?
If it is profit on just the £1m then
Team A pays £1.5M we get (£1.5m-£1m) = £500,000x20% = £100,0000 to the gas
So Rovers could pay Peterboro £1.4M and it be equal as far as they are concerned.
Aint happening tho.
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 17, 2023 13:40:07 GMT
If we are going to spend that much on a striker, I would rather go for someone like Noombe. JCH would smash our wage structure and he's 29.
Noombe would suit our style of play better IMO and is only 24, so could increase in value.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 17, 2023 13:47:03 GMT
If we are going to spend that much on a striker, I would rather go for someone like Noombe. JCH would smash our wage structure and he's 29. Noombe would suit our style of play better IMO and is only 24, so could increase in value. That's why I was asking if the 'Sell On' still came into effect if we bought him. As we'd still make money back, even though he's 29 and with no 'Sell On' value our end. If his goals sealed us promotion we'd make plenty of money back too. I think we're genuinely looking for promotion this year otherwise we would of already sold Collins by now, surely. Who knows? |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 17, 2023 13:51:40 GMT
If we are going to spend that much on a striker, I would rather go for someone like Noombe. JCH would smash our wage structure and he's 29. Noombe would suit our style of play better IMO and is only 24, so could increase in value. That's why I was asking if the 'Sell On' still came into effect if we bought him. As we'd still make money back, even though he's 29 and with no 'Sell On' value our end. If his goals sealed us promotion we'd make plenty of money back too. I think we're genuinely looking for promotion this year otherwise we would of already sold Collins by now, surely. Who knows? I just think we could get a player more suited to our style for the money they would want and the wage he would demand. |
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Post by kylegas on Aug 17, 2023 13:54:05 GMT
Does the 'Sell On' we have for JCH still come into effect if it's us who signs him? Could make perfect business sense if it does. I'm not sure how it would work, but hypothetically if a club like Derby was to offer Peterborough £1 Million and we were to offer the same. We would probably say don't worry about the 20% sell on as if they sold to Derby, Peterborough would get £800k and us £200K We could match the million and wave the sell on to sweeten the deal 😂 |
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Post by westfieldgas on Aug 17, 2023 13:57:51 GMT
My candidates for those could be want, afford & attract JCH in L1 would be: Bolton Wanderers Portsmouth Barnsley & most obvious one being Derby County Could Rovers realistically afford his wages & gamble smashing our transfer record with the current state of the infrastructure, not being Championship ready. Short answer, no. |
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