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Post by oldie on Jun 25, 2023 18:25:37 GMT
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Post by eric on Jun 25, 2023 18:37:48 GMT
Not going to get involved in speculation, but would be disappointed if we sign him before the court case has happened. After that, he is allowed to rebuild his career and serve his punishment. No doubt he is a great player and would walk into most L1 sides. Currently only paper talk, tho this could have been leaked to gauge the reaction (sorry, speculation). Rotherham plus others potentially watching the situation so if we held off on a contract offer we would probably miss out if he is later cleared or full circumstances revealed show it wasn’t too serious an offence. Big gamble by the club to try and capture a player who might perhaps be better than our level and out of our reach in more ‘normal’ circumstances.
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Post by phillistine on Jun 25, 2023 18:40:10 GMT
Not really - the Barton haters don't accept there was no case to answer, the rest of us are just glad he's our manager! As far as I can tell, the conclusions remain as they were before the trial (especially on the other forum!). I don't know what Jevani Brown did only that he pleaded guilty to one (unspecified) assault and not guilty to another one, so I don't see how any of us can form a conclusion yet. It works both ways of course. We don't know the evidence, so why are some so desperate to minimise the 'crime' by saying things like 'women can be evil', 'what injuries she's claiming, if any', 'sounds like he was provoked', 'it was just a push' etc etc. I can guarantee that if he hadn't just joined us he'd be roasted by the same people. I'll wait and see what the evidence, verdicts and punishments are. Thats the point - he hasn't just joined us. Bristol Live is reporting that he is training with us but nothing has been signed yet that the club have reported anyway
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Jun 25, 2023 18:44:05 GMT
My views on this sort of signing have come full circle.
Was completely against now just don't care.
A) He has to earn a living somewhere.
B) Perhaps he is a young man that needs some guidance and support? Maybe JB with his experience and journey through life is the man to help!
Using the same logic let's hope JB can sign Ivon Toney from Brentford so he can help him overcome his gambling addition. 😀
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 18:48:15 GMT
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Post by toggsy2 on Jun 25, 2023 19:00:59 GMT
My views on this sort of signing have come full circle. Was completely against now just don't care. A) He has to earn a living somewhere. B) Perhaps he is a young man that needs some guidance and support? Maybe JB with his experience and journey through life is the man to help! Using the same logic let's hope JB can sign Ivon Toney from Brentford so he can help him overcome his gambling addition. 😀 Exactly as long as he does what he's paid to do on the field who cares about his private life were not the one's paying his wages.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jun 25, 2023 19:04:32 GMT
Recall Monty being given the sack at Oldham over an alleged Drug something.Charges dropped and signed for us. When he subsequently played for us in our victory there thanks to the two Chelsea loanees both scoring he took great delight at the end taunting their fans. Peter Hartley had a magnificent game for us that day.
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Jun 25, 2023 19:24:40 GMT
Media team using a Prodigy music video for the announcement? Or Ike & Tina Turner. Bit of Britney ‘hit me baby one more time’ 🤣 All jokes aside his off the field issues shouldn’t stop him from working, not the sort of person I’d like on a personal level but it highly unlikely I’ll ever meet him! He’s here to do a job and looking at him on paper he’s a championship quality player, we need to accept the fact that if players like this didn’t have off field issues then we would be no where near signing them.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jun 25, 2023 19:33:40 GMT
There are plenty of fine young men who give their all when wearing the quarters, I think they deserve support.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 25, 2023 19:41:39 GMT
It works both ways of course. We don't know the evidence, so why are some so desperate to minimise the 'crime' by saying things like 'women can be evil', 'what injuries she's claiming, if any', 'sounds like he was provoked', 'it was just a push' etc etc. I can guarantee that if he hadn't just joined us he'd be roasted by the same people. I'll wait and see what the evidence, verdicts and punishments are. Thats the point - he hasn't just joined us. Bristol Live is reporting that he is training with us but nothing has been signed yet that the club have reported anyway I think you've misread the article it just says that he's visited The Quarters, not that he's been training there, and he's set to sign and join for the first week of pre-season training.
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Post by madgas on Jun 25, 2023 20:29:42 GMT
Life's hard people mess up. I hope anyone impacted by any alleged and confessed offences is ok.
But people should be encouraged to be better and I hope the necessary conversations have occurred. Should he sign- he'll have my support should he sign.
Football wise - no brainer.
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Post by phillistine on Jun 25, 2023 21:15:07 GMT
Thats the point - he hasn't just joined us. Bristol Live is reporting that he is training with us but nothing has been signed yet that the club have reported anyway I think you've misread the article it just says that he's visited The Quarters, not that he's been training there, and he's set to sign and join for the first week of pre-season training. you are right- i didnt read the article at all. I did see something 24 hours earlier when Luke Thomas was announced that both he and another attacker had been around the quarters for a few days - the inference being clear that the person was Brown. I made one assumption too many
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 25, 2023 21:27:20 GMT
What was the nature of the “assault” which he admitted? Are some assaults on women better than others? Was it a victimless crime? Woo woo! I would say some are more justifiable, absolutely. Gender equality and specifically the equality of Women is something that's being championed and rightly so. Do we pick and choose certain things where the equality comes in? For instance here's an example, if I was being racially abused, provoked, or felt threatened with violence in any way by a Male I would have no hesitation to 'Assault' him. So if 'Equality' comes into play, if the same scenario takes place where it's the Woman who is racially abusing, provoking or using threatening behaviour towards myself, I think I have every right to 'Assault' her to protect myself too? No. I think it's also important to try and judge every 'Assault' case on it's own merits. I mean just a push away, or a grab of the neck, arm or whatever can be seen as an 'Assault', its a bit different to completely beating up or kicking the sh** out of somebody. Also what are the details of Javani Browns trial? What was the Womens role in it? What prompted it? Was it unprovoked? He's admitted to an 'assault, Ok so was it a punch? Headbutt? Slap? Kick? Push? Shove? Grab? Headlock? Or did he unleash a full on unprovoked savage attack on her? There's a massive difference. Do you or anybody else know any of these details?
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 26, 2023 2:03:14 GMT
FWIW i think Gastafari put's it very well and describes many different scenarios which may influence how we feel about this potential signing Many of us are reserving judgement until such time we (a) know we are signing him and (b) know all the facts surrounding the case. Many years ago following over indulgence in the past time of consuming brown /splits( remember them!)a mate of mine found it necessary to expel same in a place other than that provided for such purpose. Unluckily for him the local Bobby happened upon the scene( they had a habit of appearing at inopportune times in those days) and my mate duly found himself at the mercy of the courts. My point is that in the local paper it was reported that so and so was fined x number of pounds for 'indecent exposure'. Now that phrase conjures up all sorts of unpleasant acts and my mate was mortified it came under that heading ,to those of us who knew the facts it made no difference to the way we perceived him , those who did not know the facts could have come to ,somewhat unfairly, a very different conclusion as to his character.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 26, 2023 4:59:47 GMT
Are some assaults on women better than others? Was it a victimless crime? Woo woo! I would say some are more justifiable, absolutely. Gender equality and specifically the equality of Women is something that's being championed and rightly so. Do we pick and choose certain things where the equality comes in? For instance here's an example, if I was being racially abused, provoked, or felt threatened with violence in any way by a Male I would have no hesitation to 'Assault' him. So if 'Equality' comes into play, if the same scenario takes place where it's the Woman who is racially abusing, provoking or using threatening behaviour towards myself, I think I have every right to 'Assault' her to protect myself too? No. I think it's also important to try and judge every 'Assault' case on it's own merits. I mean just a push away, or a grab of the neck, arm or whatever can be seen as an 'Assault', its a bit different to completely beating up or kicking the sh** out of somebody. Also what are the details of Javani Browns trial? What was the Womens role in it? What prompted it? Was it unprovoked? He's admitted to an 'assault, Ok so was it a punch? Headbutt? Slap? Kick? Push? Shove? Grab? Headlock? Or did he unleash a full on unprovoked savage attack on her? There's a massive difference. Do you or anybody else know any of these details? Agree to a certain extent. You can be guilty of an assault but having been assaulted first, if someone is attacking you at some point you have to defend yourself. As for assault someone because they are abusing you and provoking you, no. I’ve been abused and provoked in the heat of the moment by quite a few women in an epic argument but to date I’ve not socked them one for it. Regardless of racial abuse or just common or garden jaw flapping, it is not justifiable grounds for an assault. Why? They are words. If we live in a world where words justify an assault, then a hell of a lot of DV incidents become justifiable. There’s usually some back and forth of words before someone loses it. Plus every time 2 folks square go and they happen to be of different backgrounds, a claim of mean words is a ticket out of it. While it can go a long way to explaining matter, verbal abuse only can mitigate an assault if it carries a threat. Ie “I’m gonna kill you” is different. Now, we are absolutely fine to believe that some folks have it coming if they say horrible things. If you just straight up abuse someone and get a smack, so be it. In law, you have 2 offences. An assault and a public order offence. It’s not legal to abuse someone for no reason anyway. Grown adults should be able to control their tempers, even when provoked. I had a run in with someone in a car park, a guy who just wanted a scrap. I sat in my car and realise he’d had a hard time probably and I wasn’t going to start fighting as an adult, esp not in front of my family. He calmed down and left. I felt a bruised ego for a bit but in retrospect not having a broken jaw or a night in the cells over a non issue was the correct decision. Nor did I want the guy nicked for provoking me. Sometimes, almost always actually, it’s better to diffuse matters
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 26, 2023 6:30:48 GMT
This might not be popular but it troubles me how many people feel it’s ok if Jevani Brown assaulted someone under the basis that they were being racist.
Racial insults (let’s be precise about this - because if hed been assaulted this would be something very different altogether) is definitely not ok but it alarms me how this has been elevated into this form of trump card insult which allows the recipient or anyone offended on their behalf to act as they please. Where do we draw the line?
Eye for an eye and all that.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 26, 2023 7:11:40 GMT
Looking forward to watching him play for the gas.
Ask yourself this question, If he done the same to a man, would it ever got to court ?
Speaking from personal experience, no the police would have dropped it
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 26, 2023 7:23:33 GMT
This might not be popular but it troubles me how many people feel it’s ok if Jevani Brown assaulted someone under the basis that they were being racist. Racial insults (let’s be precise about this - because if hed been assaulted this would be something very different altogether) is definitely not ok but it alarms me how this has been elevated into this form of trump card insult which allows the recipient or anyone offended on their behalf to act as they please. Where do we draw the line? Eye for an eye and all that. Not to provoke politics but this here is the reason some of us whinge about what is perceived as constant campaigning over racism sexism, and homophobia. This gets misconstrued as “you want to get away with it! I’ve caught you out!” When it’s not, it’s an inner groan at this being seemingly the sole issue. I think things like abuse of children and one other thing, pensioner poverty and loneliness are bigger evils. Do we have a flag or a gesture for that? Are supermarkets running campaigns and selling t shirts to support this? No. It’s the same old broken record. It is indeed elevated almost above everything and while it’s unpleasant, I think we all get the message - it’s wrong, but there are other things worth addressing. I think to be fair if someone outright racially abused someone then it’s fair dos if they get chinned. I would support this on some level but strictly speaking I think that restraint is better. But it’s not like I’d be up in arms if some dude just got abused and he kicked the shyt out of someone for it. Its kind of like yeah you shouldn’t do it but fair play, give him a smacked wrist, call him a naughty boy and then buy him a pint on the sly. It also might be an age thing. I don’t remember a world of the NF running amok painting slogans and signs outside pubs. Most of my life the overriding theme has been diversity and acceptance. Perhaps if I’d lived through the the older times I’d not groan and think at last we are moving on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 7:37:31 GMT
We have a position where fans now are so desperate for success that they are throwing all their morales out of the window, just like the club.
He has a Championship club in waiting in Rotherham United. We haven’t gone under the radar on this, we have just got in first because we have offered him security before his court case. Exeter and Rotherham have done the right thing, they have both said basically, innocent until proven guilty, if innocent or we hear the exact facts, we will then make you an offer.
Why wouldn’t Rovers wait to see the outcome, it’s 10 days away? We have split the fan base, the head of Her Game Too has had to deactivate her social media account because of trolling abuse, proper threats. The managers wife dialled 999, why don’t we wait to hear the witness statements and the victims and then make a decision? We haven’t because we are desperate and we have no morals and conscience as a club.
Adam Tutton resigned from the St Paul’s Carnival because they were selling t-shirt with a gun on it. He has to resign now if we sign a player found guilty in a court of law battering/beating up a women.
But all this said, just wait for the outcome and evidence to be heard.
I applaud Exeter City and Rotherham United, they are putting their club’s reputation, the fans and their community first, we are putting on the field success first, how would all you posters feel of this was your daughter or sister who was the victim?
Hear the evidence, see the courts decision, then make your decision on employing the person, this bloke isn’t the messiah of lower league football.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 7:53:46 GMT
If he’s found guilty in a bad way, do Utilitia step away from us, does the local MP make a statement, it will be all over TalkSPORT because it’s all Barton related, this is all a “potential” PR disaster for a Div1 football and a fan base already split, I just don’t get why we couldn’t wait will 6th July, perhaps we will wait till then?
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