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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 9:43:28 GMT
If he’s found guilty in a bad way, do Utilitia step away from us, does the local MP make a statement, it will be all over TalkSPORT because it’s all Barton related, this is all a “potential” PR disaster for a Div1 football and a fan base already split, I just don’t get why we couldn’t wait will 6th July, perhaps we will wait till then?You answered this in your previous post - he had a Championship club waiting to sign him. And he’s not waiting for them because he’s knows he’s going to be found guilty. It’s his ex manager as well, a higher level of football, he knows Rotherham won’t touch him but we will. And for this reason, I’d be waiting till July 6th. Hear the facts, any sponsor struggling financially now have the perfect excuse to walk. Proper Rovers mess as usual, put Tutton in a terrible position. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 9:44:07 GMT
Second time I somehow have been quoted a figure when I haven’t. I just highlighted that there are wrong uns amongst us. That guy called Joe 90 springs to mind. Maybe word your statement better than “we all stand next to” Joe 90 is a wrong un and nobody wants him at the mem either do they? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 26, 2023 9:44:47 GMT
If this report is true then I would guarantee that there is something in his contract saying if guilty the contract would be void, if found not guilty we have a very good player on our hands He's already pleaded guilty to the one offence, I'm not really sure why being found guilty to the second offence would lead to us voiding his contract, it's not like we don't know he's potentially going to be found guilty. I hope we've done due diligence and viewed the CCTV of the incident. Seems to me the club has decided to sign Brown regardless of the outcome of the trial, if not, he may as well just wait and see if he can get a better offer if he's found not guilty. |
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Post by oliverhelmet on Jun 26, 2023 9:45:39 GMT
You answered this in your previous post - he had a Championship club waiting to sign him. Then why isn’t he waiting ? Fair point.Perhaps he didn’t get a rock solid contract offer from Rotherham? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 26, 2023 9:45:58 GMT
If he’s found guilty in a bad way, do Utilitia step away from us, does the local MP make a statement, it will be all over TalkSPORT because it’s all Barton related, this is all a “potential” PR disaster for a Div1 football and a fan base already split, I just don’t get why we couldn’t wait will 6th July, perhaps we will wait till then?You answered this in your previous post - he had a Championship club waiting to sign him. Not sure they are still waiting? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 26, 2023 9:48:46 GMT
Sure of what? Him pleading guilty to one charge is in the public domain following his last court appearance. "Jevani Brown, aged 28, appeared at Exeter Crown Court today and pleaded guilty to a charge of assault by beating following an incident in Musgrave Road in the early hours of February 2nd.23 Mar 2023" He had the support of Exeter's manager and fans board member at that trial. Assault could be anything from shouting, to beating. He could have pleaded guilty to a push. So the fact he pleaded guilty tells us nothing at this stage. Once we hear what he pleaded guilty to and what the circumstances are, people can judge. You would have thought that we have looked into it already and we know more than the fans on here. Can't go by tweets from the others involved, they will stick up for their own. Exeter suspended him so they must think it's more than just a minor incident they could brush over after the trial. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 9:49:16 GMT
Then why isn’t he waiting ? Fair point.Perhaps he didn’t get a rock solid contract offer from Rotherham? Why would you give someone a rock solid contract when he could be in prison July 6th?!?! Jeez man, this isn’t even a magistrates, he’s pleaded GUILTY, regardless of circumstances, this isn’t a jump for a ball and elbow and was it intentional, if it was this his defence would be not guilty! |
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Post by oliverhelmet on Jun 26, 2023 9:53:55 GMT
You answered this in your previous post - he had a Championship club waiting to sign him. And he’s not waiting for them because he’s knows he’s going to be found guilty. It’s his ex manager as well, a higher level of football, he knows Rotherham won’t touch him but we will. And for this reason, I’d be waiting till July 6th. Hear the facts, any sponsor struggling financially now have the perfect excuse to walk. Proper Rovers mess as usual, put Tutton in a terrible position. Maybe BRFC are doing exactly that,waiting until the case is heard before any signing announcement is made.We haven’t signed him yet as far as I can see. |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jun 26, 2023 9:54:32 GMT
Looking forward to watching him play for the gas. Ask yourself this question, If he done the same to a man, would it ever got to court ? Speaking from personal experience, no the police would have dropped it What a stupid thing to say. "Spitting in her face, shouting abuse & punching her in the face to knock her to the ground and punching her in the back of her head repeatedly" Replece her with him and it absolutly still goes to court. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 26, 2023 9:58:46 GMT
I have to say, this doesnt sit comfortably with me at all
I know we live in an innocent until proven guilty society, as we should, but there seems to be enough evidence which led the CPS to decide that Brown needed to be charged. However as gulfofaden has written, there could be circumstances surrounding that which will come out in court.
The logical part of my brain says though, even if he was provoked in some way and has lashed out, even if he didnt realise it was a woman he was striking, there would be a measure of self defence to that, and he would plead not guilty to the offence, as the law states you can use reasonable force if you feel or are under threat. It would then be down to the magistrates to decide if he is guilty using that metric.
However he has entered a guilty plea and there is obviously circumstances why he has entered a guity plea, it could be that he actually knows what he has done and is owning up to it, there may be overwheming evidence against him such as CCTV or witness accounts with no inconsistencies which means he wont be able to get out of it no matter how he pleads, or, simply to get a lighter sentence on the basis of some genuine remorse. Either way, none of this looks good and it does bring into question the whole issue of the morality of employing people who live and work in the public eye (albeit fairly localised) as to whether they should be allowed to continue to play whilst under a crinimal invesitigation of a certain nature?
Then there is another issue:
As a club we have been one of the major supporters of HGT and rightly so, but this is the second incident now surrounding domestic violence/violence towards a women where it has put Caz and Lucy in a very difficult position where their love of the club has crossed swords with the morality of the people we have working for us in a management and playing capacity. Do I expect footballers to be complete saints? Absolutely not. But should we as a club be sanctioning signings where there is a clear moral conflict to a movement which is not just promoted as a good thing to support, but has personal experience at the heart of it as the reason why it exists?
I'm sure Wael, Tom and the rest of the board will have considered all the ramifications of signing Javani Brown as they did Joey Barton, but I still think its wrong. It's not just the polarisation the club will have of signing a potential criminal, but the division it causes amongst the fan base.
As I have stated previously, I am a Bristol Rovers fan and the club will exist post any players or management and on that basis I'm still happy to still watch us play, but I cant bring myself to sing Barton's name or clap him off the pitch etc. The same would go for Brown should he sign and score a goal for example. But having to have to put that thought process into supporting your club shouldnt have to be thought about. I'm sure Caz and Lucy are at a cross roads with this because they are a very public face of HGT and they will have to think about what is bigger for them, supporting Rovers or HGT. It's not lost on me either the club has done a lovely job of smoothing over the last incident only to tuck them up with this one and for that I really feel for them.
It does feel like the ultimate goal of taking us to the championship is happy to do be done at all costs, which is sad because I thought we were better than that as a club.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jun 26, 2023 10:02:22 GMT
Why are people saying that there must be something in his contract to cover the outcome of his trial?
Surely a guilty verdict would come under gross misconduct and the club would have a legal right to terminate it.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jun 26, 2023 10:03:01 GMT
I’m starting to believe we’ve purposely leaked the news to see the public reaction. Really can’t see us signing him now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 10:06:34 GMT
I have to say, this doesnt sit comfortably with me at all I know we live in an innocent until proven guilty society, as we should, but there seems to be enough evidence which led the CPS to decide that Brown needed to be charged. However as gulfofaden has written, there could be circumstances surrounding that which will come out in court. The logical part of my brain says though, even if he was provoked in some way and has lashed out, even if he didnt realise it was a woman he was striking, there would be a measure of self defence to that, and he would plead not guilty to the offence, as the law states you can use reasonable force if you feel or are under threat. It would then be down to the magistrates to decide if he is guilty using that metric. However he has entered a guilty plea and there is obviously circumstances why he has entered a guity plea, it could be that he actually knows what he has done and is owning up to it, there may be overwheming evidence against him such as CCTV or witness accounts with no inconsistencies which means he wont be able to get out of it no matter how he pleads, or, simply to get a lighter sentence on the basis of some genuine remorse. Either way, none of this looks good and it does bring into question the whole issue of the morality of employing people who live and work in the public eye (albeit fairly localised) as to whether they should be allowed to continue to play whilst under a crinimal invesitigation of a certain nature? Then there is another issue: As a club we have been one of the major supporters of HGT and rightly so, but this is the second incident now surrounding domestic violence/violence towards a women where it has put Caz and Lucy in a very difficult position where their love of the club has crossed swords with the morality of the people we have working for us in a management and playing capacity. Do I expect footballers to be complete saints? Absolutely not. But should we as a club be sanctioning signings where there is a clear moral conflict to a movement which is not just promoted but has personal experience as the reason why it exists? I'm sure Wael, Tom and the rest of the board will have considered all the ramifications of signing Javani Brown as they did Joey Barton, but I still think its wrong. It's not just the polarisation the club will have of signing a potential criminal, but the division it causes amongst the fan base. As I have stated previously, I am a Bristol Rovers fan and the club will exist post any players or management and on that basis I'm still happy to still watch us play, but I cant bring myself to sing Barton's name or clap him off the pitch etc. The same would go for Brown should he sign and score a goal for example. But having to have to put that thought process into supporting your club shouldnt have to be thought about. I'm sure Caz and Lucy are at a cross roads with this because they are a very public face of HGT and they will have to think about what is bigger for them, supporting Rovers or HGT. It's not lost on me either the club has done a lovely job of smoothing over the last incident only to tuck them up with this one and for that I really feel for them. It does feel like the ultimate goal of taking us to the championship is happy to do be done at all costs, which is sad because I thought we were better than that as a club. Given your obvious closeness to some of the gatekeepers at BRFC, I have a great deal of respect for you speaking your mind on this. |
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Post by TAGas on Jun 26, 2023 10:08:48 GMT
I’m starting to believe we’ve purposely leaked the news to see the public reaction. Really can’t see us signing him now. I thought the same |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jun 26, 2023 10:08:55 GMT
I’m starting to believe we’ve purposely leaked the news to see the public reaction. Really can’t see us signing him now. If we sign him after this it will be absolutely baffling but then again probably expected. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 26, 2023 10:14:31 GMT
Looking forward to watching him play for the gas. Ask yourself this question, If he done the same to a man, would it ever got to court ? Speaking from personal experience, no the police would have dropped it What a stupid thing to say. "Spitting in her face, shouting abuse & punching her in the face to knock her to the ground and punching her in the back of her head repeatedly" Replece her with him and it absolutly still goes to court. So Explain to me why i can be beat to a pulp, knocked unconscious and left with a scar to my face, needing 2 paramedics to look after me and the person who did this got of with a police caution ? yes i appealed the decision with both the chief constable and the police commissioner and got the cold shoulder. He admitted the offence to the 4 police officers that attended. i would post pictures on here but to graphic. i have shown the pictures to 2 retired police sergeants (Both Gasheads BTW) and both agree its ABH So Mr Mario explain why he was not charged and sent to court like you stated ? |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jun 26, 2023 10:18:32 GMT
I have to say, this doesnt sit comfortably with me at all I know we live in an innocent until proven guilty society, as we should, but there seems to be enough evidence which led the CPS to decide that Brown needed to be charged. However as gulfofaden has written, there could be circumstances surrounding that which will come out in court. The logical part of my brain says though, even if he was provoked in some way and has lashed out, even if he didnt realise it was a woman he was striking, there would be a measure of self defence to that, and he would plead not guilty to the offence, as the law states you can use reasonable force if you feel or are under threat. It would then be down to the magistrates to decide if he is guilty using that metric. However he has entered a guilty plea and there is obviously circumstances why he has entered a guity plea, it could be that he actually knows what he has done and is owning up to it, there may be overwheming evidence against him such as CCTV or witness accounts with no inconsistencies which means he wont be able to get out of it no matter how he pleads, or, simply to get a lighter sentence on the basis of some genuine remorse. Either way, none of this looks good and it does bring into question the whole issue of the morality of employing people who live and work in the public eye (albeit fairly localised) as to whether they should be allowed to continue to play whilst under a crinimal invesitigation of a certain nature? Then there is another issue: As a club we have been one of the major supporters of HGT and rightly so, but this is the second incident now surrounding domestic violence/violence towards a women where it has put Caz and Lucy in a very difficult position where their love of the club has crossed swords with the morality of the people we have working for us in a management and playing capacity. Do I expect footballers to be complete saints? Absolutely not. But should we as a club be sanctioning signings where there is a clear moral conflict to a movement which is not just promoted but has personal experience as the reason why it exists? I'm sure Wael, Tom and the rest of the board will have considered all the ramifications of signing Javani Brown as they did Joey Barton, but I still think its wrong. It's not just the polarisation the club will have of signing a potential criminal, but the division it causes amongst the fan base. As I have stated previously, I am a Bristol Rovers fan and the club will exist post any players or management and on that basis I'm still happy to still watch us play, but I cant bring myself to sing Barton's name or clap him off the pitch etc. The same would go for Brown should he sign and score a goal for example. But having to have to put that thought process into supporting your club shouldnt have to be thought about. I'm sure Caz and Lucy are at a cross roads with this because they are a very public face of HGT and they will have to think about what is bigger for them, supporting Rovers or HGT. It's not lost on me either the club has done a lovely job of smoothing over the last incident only to tuck them up with this one and for that I really feel for them. It does feel like the ultimate goal of taking us to the championship is happy to do be done at all costs, which is sad because I thought we were better than that as a club. Brilliantly put. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 26, 2023 10:18:38 GMT
I have to say, this doesnt sit comfortably with me at all I know we live in an innocent until proven guilty society, as we should, but there seems to be enough evidence which led the CPS to decide that Brown needed to be charged. However as gulfofaden has written, there could be circumstances surrounding that which will come out in court. The logical part of my brain says though, even if he was provoked in some way and has lashed out, even if he didnt realise it was a woman he was striking, there would be a measure of self defence to that, and he would plead not guilty to the offence, as the law states you can use reasonable force if you feel or are under threat. It would then be down to the magistrates to decide if he is guilty using that metric. However he has entered a guilty plea and there is obviously circumstances why he has entered a guity plea, it could be that he actually knows what he has done and is owning up to it, there may be overwheming evidence against him such as CCTV or witness accounts with no inconsistencies which means he wont be able to get out of it no matter how he pleads, or, simply to get a lighter sentence on the basis of some genuine remorse. Either way, none of this looks good and it does bring into question the whole issue of the morality of employing people who live and work in the public eye (albeit fairly localised) as to whether they should be allowed to continue to play whilst under a crinimal invesitigation of a certain nature? Then there is another issue: As a club we have been one of the major supporters of HGT and rightly so, but this is the second incident now surrounding domestic violence/violence towards a women where it has put Caz and Lucy in a very difficult position where their love of the club has crossed swords with the morality of the people we have working for us in a management and playing capacity. Do I expect footballers to be complete saints? Absolutely not. But should we as a club be sanctioning signings where there is a clear moral conflict to a movement which is not just promoted but has personal experience as the reason why it exists? I'm sure Wael, Tom and the rest of the board will have considered all the ramifications of signing Javani Brown as they did Joey Barton, but I still think its wrong. It's not just the polarisation the club will have of signing a potential criminal, but the division it causes amongst the fan base. As I have stated previously, I am a Bristol Rovers fan and the club will exist post any players or management and on that basis I'm still happy to still watch us play, but I cant bring myself to sing Barton's name or clap him off the pitch etc. The same would go for Brown should he sign and score a goal for example. But having to have to put that thought process into supporting your club shouldnt have to be thought about. I'm sure Caz and Lucy are at a cross roads with this because they are a very public face of HGT and they will have to think about what is bigger for them, supporting Rovers or HGT. It's not lost on me either the club has done a lovely job of smoothing over the last incident only to tuck them up with this one and for that I really feel for them. It does feel like the ultimate goal of taking us to the championship is happy to do be done at all costs, which is sad because I thought we were better than that as a club. Given your obvious closeness to some of the gatekeepers at BRFC, I have a great deal of respect for you speaking your mind on this. I have always had my own opinion on certain things and I wouldn't type anything here that I wouldnt say directly to people and vice versa. I also have about as many facts on this as the rest of us bar the ones who are involved. Even so it would be totally disengenious of me not to post how I feel on this. It's similar to when Luke McCormick and Lee Hughes were given second chances after drink driving and killing people. Awful mistakes which I am sure they are remorseful about, but I wouldnt have wanted them near rovers regardless of their footballing ability and what they could offer us on the cheap in return for a criminal record. |
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Post by GasAttacK on Jun 26, 2023 10:33:10 GMT
We don't know all the details. In fact we don't really know many details at all.
He's pleaded guilty to one charge and not guilty to the other. That's pretty much all we know.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't read anywhere that he has a long history of violence or that he's been involved in anything like this before.
It would seem to be a isolated incident where after a few drinks he made a bad mistake that he probably regrets.
You could walk up to someone and 'sock them one' for no reason as some have written on here, or you could push someone out the way who was getting in your face shouting abuse, racial or otherwise.
To me there is a difference. We simply don't know the facts. It could be either or somewhere in between. There's been no mention of any injuries suffered by either woman as far as I know, and often there are no injuries with this charge.
He made a bad error of judgement in the heat of the moment, probably after a few drinks, but if this is a one off out of character incident then I think he deserves the chance to rebuild his career.
And he will get that chance, whether that's at Rovers or somewhere else. Personally I'd be happy if we gave him that opportunity but I can understand others may not be so forgiving, or want more information before taking that leap.
Obviously opinions may change if / when more details of the incident come to light. I'm sure the club know a lot more information than we're able to find online.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 26, 2023 11:01:25 GMT
There seems little prospect of somebody being jailed for an Assault by beating conviction, assuming it's his first offences. If he was I assume even a rock solid contract wouldn't be that solid.
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