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Post by Gastafari on Jun 26, 2023 13:42:19 GMT
I would say some are more justifiable, absolutely. Gender equality and specifically the equality of Women is something that's being championed and rightly so. Do we pick and choose certain things where the equality comes in? For instance here's an example, if I was being racially abused, provoked, or felt threatened with violence in any way by a Male I would have no hesitation to 'Assault' him. So if 'Equality' comes into play, if the same scenario takes place where it's the Woman who is racially abusing, provoking or using threatening behaviour towards myself, I think I have every right to 'Assault' her to protect myself too? No. I think it's also important to try and judge every 'Assault' case on it's own merits. I mean just a push away, or a grab of the neck, arm or whatever can be seen as an 'Assault', its a bit different to completely beating up or kicking the sh** out of somebody. Also what are the details of Javani Browns trial? What was the Womens role in it? What prompted it? Was it unprovoked? He's admitted to an 'assault, Ok so was it a punch? Headbutt? Slap? Kick? Push? Shove? Grab? Headlock? Or did he unleash a full on unprovoked savage attack on her? There's a massive difference. Do you or anybody else know any of these details? Agree to a certain extent. You can be guilty of an assault but having been assaulted first, if someone is attacking you at some point you have to defend yourself. As for assault someone because they are abusing you and provoking you, no. I’ve been abused and provoked in the heat of the moment by quite a few women in an epic argument but to date I’ve not socked them one for it. Regardless of racial abuse or just common or garden jaw flapping, it is not justifiable grounds for an assault. Why? This is a point I was trying to make, has he 'socked her one,? Like I said a push, a shove, a grab can be classed as an assault, it's a massive difference to 'Socking them one' as you put it or completely beating the sh*t out of somebody. That's why we should try and view each case on its merits, and not just act as judge and jury and crucify somebody just because you see the word 'Assault'. None of us have any idea about the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 13:47:53 GMT
He would have had a case I am sure to defend his employment but because of his previous record, a guilty verdict would have been a custodial sentence so he could have been sacked. We are not sure what his contract stipulates either, but drink driving is breaking the law and football players are not sacked because of it.
Personally I would have suspended Barton at the time, none of us knew his wife dialled 999 and the call was recorded at the time, if we all knew this before the trial we’d have said suspend him regardless of the case being thrown out. The press will make all this public on July 6th. Rotherham have got it spot on, they are not risking their reputation across all areas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 13:47:59 GMT
Agree to a certain extent. You can be guilty of an assault but having been assaulted first, if someone is attacking you at some point you have to defend yourself. As for assault someone because they are abusing you and provoking you, no. I’ve been abused and provoked in the heat of the moment by quite a few women in an epic argument but to date I’ve not socked them one for it. Regardless of racial abuse or just common or garden jaw flapping, it is not justifiable grounds for an assault. Why? This is a point I was trying to make, has he 'socked her one,? Like I said a push, a shove, a grab can be classed as an assault, it's a massive difference to 'Socking them one' as you put it or completely beating the sh*t out of somebody. That's why we should judge each case on its merits, and not just act as judge and jury and crucify somebody just because you see the word 'Assault'. None of us have any idea about the case. All of this is simply avoided by BRFC waiting two weeks to see the outcome of the case |
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Post by DrFaustus on Jun 26, 2023 13:49:12 GMT
Rollin was an employee and the club had to make a decision re his employment, employment law also stipulates that outside offence is not a sacking one. Not true. An employer has every right to sack an employee if they can demonstrate that the crime committed has damaged their reputation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 13:51:15 GMT
I’d also add Tilly, Rollin put Tutton in a position that was forced on him and the club being an employee, he couldn’t dodge this one, all part and parcel of his job. With Brown, we have chosen to put this on Adam and the community department, I repeat we had no choice with Rollin. I hope this clears this up for you. Either way, both cases put Adam in a "terrible position", if something goes strongly against your personal beliefs I don't think that you can pick and chose which ones affect you. You seem to be trying to use this a stick to beat the club with, by using people who are associated with Rovers in various ways, and other clubs, as your armoury. Personally, I'm not in favour of the signing at the moment. Holmes seems to have a good grasp of what happened, and it doesn't sound great. I’m using no stick, I just believe in consistency in life, Adam could play his part in stopping this signing until July 6th www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/guns-knives-st-pauls-carnival-8440034.amp |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jun 26, 2023 13:52:10 GMT
Gas memory and a half on you Tills! That episode came and went without so much as a whisper on here, lad drove dangerously & then assaulted a member of the public who tried to stop him leaving the scene. All Whilst he was with the club. So a more than valid point😄 Blimey, I cant even remember that. Either because im getting older or because it just wasnt made public. Just to be clear though, its not the fact hes assaulted someone thats the problem, blokes tend to get into a scuffles when theyre young and there is a list of endless sportsmen that have done so and still represented club and country. Its the fact the assault is on a female and that every club nearly now are trying to promote kinder behaviour to females at games through HGT, of which, the founder member is a gashead and BRFC were one of the first to support the initiative. Are we saying be nice to females at football but not in life in general and its ok to have the face of your club with people with a history of violence against women outside of the game? It's interesting to have your view on it as a female Tills. As a bloke its often hard to empathise beyond the "you dont hit women" instruction that has been drummed into you since birth. I'd like to think that the club promotes kinder behaviour to everybody at games, and in life. Men's mental health appears to have been forgotten, remember the "It's OK not to be OK" campaign? I think social media has made it much easier for certain people to hurl abuse at individuals, and, unfortunately, some of them carry it over into real life - they don't have a filter regarding what they say. I've seen Pete from the ticket office get abuse when he's posted his progress with weight loss and fitness - I'm sure that's not great for his mental health. Similarly, the HGT people can only make change in certain areas within their remit, they aren't consulted about signings, so people shouldn't give them hassle about this. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jun 26, 2023 13:54:20 GMT
Either way, both cases put Adam in a "terrible position", if something goes strongly against your personal beliefs I don't think that you can pick and chose which ones affect you. You seem to be trying to use this a stick to beat the club with, by using people who are associated with Rovers in various ways, and other clubs, as your armoury. Personally, I'm not in favour of the signing at the moment. Holmes seems to have a good grasp of what happened, and it doesn't sound great. I’m using no stick, I just believe in consistency in life, Adam could play his part in stopping this signing until July 6th www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/guns-knives-st-pauls-carnival-8440034.ampMaybe Adam believes in giving people a chance to rehabilitate and learn from their mistakes? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 13:54:44 GMT
Rollin was an employee and the club had to make a decision re his employment, employment law also stipulates that outside offence is not a sacking one. Not true. An employer has every right to sack an employee if they can demonstrate that the crime committed has damaged their reputation. Correct and I assume we never felt his case demonstrated it enough? It’s not simple cut and dried stuff either |
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 26, 2023 13:57:46 GMT
This is a point I was trying to make, has he 'socked her one,? Like I said a push, a shove, a grab can be classed as an assault, it's a massive difference to 'Socking them one' as you put it or completely beating the sh*t out of somebody. That's why we should judge each case on its merits, and not just act as judge and jury and crucify somebody just because you see the word 'Assault'. None of us have any idea about the case. All of this is simply avoided by BRFC waiting two weeks to see the outcome of the case He hasn't signed yet, has he? |
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Post by percy on Jun 26, 2023 13:58:29 GMT
Can we remember the club have not signed Brown yet as far we know. Pressuring the likes of Adam or HGT to come out against it is really odd until this becomes clearer. And still then its not really in their remit.
On twitter it just seems to be another excuse for those that dislike Caz and Lucy to pile on. Says more about them I would say,
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 13:58:52 GMT
Maybe Adam believes in giving people a chance to rehabilitate and learn from their mistakes? And maybe he does but let’s let him hear all the facts first shall we and in this case perhaps prison might be the place he’s rehabilitated if guilty on both accounts? |
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Post by percy on Jun 26, 2023 14:00:37 GMT
Can we remember the club have not signed Brown yet as far we know. Pressuring the likes of Adam or HGT to come out against it is really odd until this becomes clearer. And still then its not really in their remit. On twitter it just seems to be another excuse for those that dislike Caz and Lucy to pile on. Says more about them I would say, OK now he has signed. |
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Post by TAGas on Jun 26, 2023 14:02:00 GMT
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Post by Somersetgas on Jun 26, 2023 14:03:46 GMT
Can we remember the club have not signed Brown yet as far we know. Pressuring the likes of Adam or HGT to come out against it is really odd until this becomes clearer. And still then its not really in their remit. On twitter it just seems to be another excuse for those that dislike Caz and Lucy to pile on. Says more about them I would say, OK now he has signed. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 14:04:14 GMT
All of this is simply avoided by BRFC waiting two weeks to see the outcome of the case He hasn't signed yet, has he? Yes he has |
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Post by richie on Jun 26, 2023 14:04:58 GMT
Decent video that, media team smashing it
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Post by Gastafari on Jun 26, 2023 14:05:03 GMT
He hasn't signed yet, has he? Yes he has Now he has. I'll give you that. |
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Post by wallywalters on Jun 26, 2023 14:07:48 GMT
What a signing. Welcome to the club jevani. We really are going for it this year arnt we 🤩
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Post by pudseygas on Jun 26, 2023 14:09:00 GMT
Popcorn time..
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Post by TAGas on Jun 26, 2023 14:09:21 GMT
Barton said: "Jevani is an exciting talent. He can operate across the midfield and forward areas and will bring another dimension to our team. I am looking forward to welcoming him into our group and seeing him in action for the club."
Brown has signed a two-year contract with the option of a further 12 months at the Mem
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