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Post by Gastafari on Jul 8, 2023 6:54:00 GMT
Or maybe at this time the club thought the words of Javani Brown were a sufficient explanation? For the last 3 years we've had riots all over the globe, marches, demonstrations, protests, taking of the knee left, right and centre, in this City we've had statues pulled to the ground and chucked in the river, buildings, schools, streets having their names changed, we've seen scandals regarding the Royal Family, Harry & Meaghan all over the media. The virtue signalling over that time has been relentless. Now this really shows the sheer hypocrisy of it all! The Trump supporting snowflake is whinging again 🙄 It's not whinging Yatton. Just pointing out hypocrisy. Same as I did with Trump. Funnily enough it was on the George Floyd thread, where you were one of the most vocal virtue signallers. Funny that!
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 8, 2023 7:11:12 GMT
Or maybe at this time the club thought the words of Javani Brown were a sufficient explanation? For the last 3 years we've had riots all over the globe, marches, demonstrations, protests, taking of the knee left, right and centre, in this City we've had statues pulled to the ground and chucked in the river, buildings, schools, streets having their names changed, we've seen scandals regarding the Royal Family, Harry & Meaghan all over the media. The virtue signalling over that time has been relentless. Now this really shows the sheer hypocrisy of it all! In some ways I find the clubs lack of response more offensive and in just posting Jevani's own words I think they are letting him down and posting it after 10 o'clock is a joke and clearly done deliberately I will give people a chance if they are remorseful and want to better themselves. The club arent going to win either way, but they have acted like it is something they just want to disappear rather than address it. Again regardless of any of our opinions on signing him, I think given the mention of Jevani's alcohol issues and him getting help, the club could at least publicly support their employee (as i am sure they are privately) through the issues. 2 mins thought to write something a bit considered, thats all the above took me, but its okay, here are some photos of Ollie with Rovers players Fair points. I dont necessarily disagree. Maybe the club discussed it with Javani and it was a mutual decision to let him put his statement out? It's not as if the club completely ignored it, they posted Javani's statement on the clubs social media for everybody to see. Like you said the club can't really win either way.
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Post by percy on Jul 8, 2023 7:15:10 GMT
The Trump supporting snowflake is whinging again 🙄 It's not whinging Yatton. Just pointing out hypocrisy. Same as I did with Trump. Funnily enough it was on the George Floyd thread, where you were one of the most vocal virtue signallers. Funny that! You seem to struggle with words But just fling a few catch phrases about and that’s you won the argument. If you want to call supporting BLM and thinking people should be treated as humans as “virtue signalling” then that says more about you than them. You can support all of that, as I do, and still not condone violence (especially against women). But the people that have a problem with it are the ones setting the scene for the rise in racist abuse like it sounds Jevani has suffered here.
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 8, 2023 7:27:24 GMT
Most of the time it’s an obvious fix, lay off the booze. No more snakebites for me.
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 8, 2023 8:07:29 GMT
It's not whinging Yatton. Just pointing out hypocrisy. Same as I did with Trump. Funnily enough it was on the George Floyd thread, where you were one of the most vocal virtue signallers. Funny that! You seem to struggle with words But just fling a few catch phrases about and that’s you won the argument. If you want to call supporting BLM and thinking people should be treated as humans as “virtue signalling” then that says more about you than them. You can support all of that, as I do, and still not condone violence (especially against women). But the people that have a problem with it are the ones setting the scene for the rise in racist abuse like it sounds Jevani has suffered here. And you're struggling to understand. I don't support BLM, I'm very open about it, I've called it out for being a sham from day one. However if you're going to be an advocate and claim to support Anti racism campaigns whether it's sham organisations like BLM, or kick it out, the taking of the knee etc then crucify somebody who has been racially abused then yeah, I believe it to be virtue signalling, and hypocritical. I'm sure most people don't condone serial criminality, didn't stop people's tributes for George Floyd did it? As I posted earlier on this thread, Gender equality and specifically the equality of Women is something that's being championed. Do we pick and choose certain things where the equality comes in? If this case involved a male and Javani Brown claimed he was racially abused by a Male would there be this much coverage or discussion? I'm pretty certain there wouldn't be. So if 'Equality' comes into play, whether it's a male or female should be irrelevant Don't put racism on a pedestal if you're still going to crucify somebody whose been on the end of it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 8, 2023 9:08:17 GMT
You seem to struggle with words But just fling a few catch phrases about and that’s you won the argument. If you want to call supporting BLM and thinking people should be treated as humans as “virtue signalling” then that says more about you than them. You can support all of that, as I do, and still not condone violence (especially against women). But the people that have a problem with it are the ones setting the scene for the rise in racist abuse like it sounds Jevani has suffered here. And you're struggling to understand. I don't support BLM, I'm very open about it, I've called it out for being a sham from day one. However if you're going to be an advocate and claim to support Anti racism campaigns whether it's sham organisations like BLM, or kick it out, the taking of the knee etc then crucify somebody who has been racially abused then yeah, I believe it to be virtue signalling, and hypocritical. I'm sure most people don't condone serial criminality, didn't stop people's tributes for George Floyd did it? As I posted earlier on this thread, Gender equality and specifically the equality of Women is something that's being championed. Do we pick and choose certain things where the equality comes in? If this case involved a male and Javani Brown claimed he was racially abused by a Male would there be this much coverage or discussion? I'm pretty certain there wouldn't be. So if 'Equality' comes into play, whether it's a male or female should be irrelevant Don't put racism on a pedestal if you're still going to crucify somebody whose been on the end of it. Race wasn't wasn't mentioned in the BBC report I read? Is it confirmed that Brown was racially abused as a mitigating factor?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 8, 2023 9:11:13 GMT
In some ways I find the clubs lack of response more offensive and in just posting Jevani's own words I think they are letting him down and posting it after 10 o'clock is a joke and clearly done deliberately I will give people a chance if they are remorseful and want to better themselves. The club arent going to win either way, but they have acted like it is something they just want to disappear rather than address it. Again regardless of any of our opinions on signing him, I think given the mention of Jevani's alcohol issues and him getting help, the club could at least publicly support their employee (as i am sure they are privately) through the issues. 2 mins thought to write something a bit considered, thats all the above took me, but its okay, here are some photos of Ollie with Rovers players Fair points. I dont necessarily disagree. Maybe the club discussed it with Javani and it was a mutual decision to let him put his statement out? It's not as if the club completely ignored it, they posted Javani's statement on the clubs social media for everybody to see. Like you said the club can't really win either way. Can you not think of a way the club could have won? There was a fairly easy way to have avoided this situation. You'd think going into a 3rd preseason on the trot with court cases looming would have been something someone at the club would and should have advised against.
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 8, 2023 9:45:17 GMT
And you're struggling to understand. I don't support BLM, I'm very open about it, I've called it out for being a sham from day one. However if you're going to be an advocate and claim to support Anti racism campaigns whether it's sham organisations like BLM, or kick it out, the taking of the knee etc then crucify somebody who has been racially abused then yeah, I believe it to be virtue signalling, and hypocritical. I'm sure most people don't condone serial criminality, didn't stop people's tributes for George Floyd did it? As I posted earlier on this thread, Gender equality and specifically the equality of Women is something that's being championed. Do we pick and choose certain things where the equality comes in? If this case involved a male and Javani Brown claimed he was racially abused by a Male would there be this much coverage or discussion? I'm pretty certain there wouldn't be. So if 'Equality' comes into play, whether it's a male or female should be irrelevant Don't put racism on a pedestal if you're still going to crucify somebody whose been on the end of it. Race wasn't wasn't mentioned in the BBC report I read? Is it confirmed that Brown was racially abused as a mitigating factor? Javani Browns statement was pretty clear wasn't it?
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jul 8, 2023 9:51:58 GMT
Race wasn't wasn't mentioned in the BBC report I read? Is it confirmed that Brown was racially abused as a mitigating factor? Javani Browns statement was pretty clear wasn't it? Yeah but why no mention of it in court?
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 8, 2023 9:57:41 GMT
Fair points. I dont necessarily disagree. Maybe the club discussed it with Javani and it was a mutual decision to let him put his statement out? It's not as if the club completely ignored it, they posted Javani's statement on the clubs social media for everybody to see. Like you said the club can't really win either way. Can you not think of a way the club could have won? There was a fairly easy way to have avoided this situation. You'd think going into a 3rd preseason on the trot with court cases looming would have been something someone at the club would and should have advised against. Of course we could of not signed him in the 1st place. We have though, so I was talking more about since. A lengthy statement from the club or not I am not sure what difference it would of made.
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Post by Gaswood on Jul 8, 2023 9:58:37 GMT
Javani Browns statement was pretty clear wasn't it? Yeah but why no mention of it in court? There was no mention of anything in court apart from an ongoing confrontational situation which began at and continued as they went away from the venue. It seems pretty clear something HIGHLY offensive was said to spark him to spit. It really does sound like something and nothing overall but is a stain on his record that would have been better for all parties if it had never happened, much like his statement said really. Time to move forwards now imho.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 9:59:20 GMT
Race wasn't wasn't mentioned in the BBC report I read? Is it confirmed that Brown was racially abused as a mitigating factor? Javani Browns statement was pretty clear wasn't it? No mention of it in court or in the reports following the court case. Sounds like it's been plucked out after the hearing to mitigate beating a woman. We know what's coming next, the victim or her sister will be back on Twitter countering the allegation, this will never leave Jevani.
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 8, 2023 10:01:25 GMT
Javani Browns statement was pretty clear wasn't it? Yeah but why no mention of it in court? It must of been. The reports I've seen haven't been full transcripts.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jul 8, 2023 10:41:48 GMT
Yeah but why no mention of it in court? There was no mention of anything in court apart from an ongoing confrontational situation which began at and continued as they went away from the venue. It seems pretty clear something HIGHLY offensive was said to spark him to spit. It really does sound like something and nothing overall but is a stain on his record that would have been better for all parties if it had never happened, much like his statement said really. Time to move forwards now imho. He pleaded not guilty then went to court and plead guilty. Not sure his statement can be taken to be too seriously tbf. He won’t have written it himself anyway
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Post by gasify on Jul 8, 2023 10:51:43 GMT
You seem to struggle with words But just fling a few catch phrases about and that’s you won the argument. If you want to call supporting BLM and thinking people should be treated as humans as “virtue signalling” then that says more about you than them. You can support all of that, as I do, and still not condone violence (especially against women). But the people that have a problem with it are the ones setting the scene for the rise in racist abuse like it sounds Jevani has suffered here. And you're struggling to understand. I don't support BLM, I'm very open about it, I've called it out for being a sham from day one. However if you're going to be an advocate and claim to support Anti racism campaigns whether it's sham organisations like BLM, or kick it out, the taking of the knee etc then crucify somebody who has been racially abused then yeah, I believe it to be virtue signalling, and hypocritical. I'm sure most people don't condone serial criminality, didn't stop people's tributes for George Floyd did it? As I posted earlier on this thread, Gender equality and specifically the equality of Women is something that's being championed. Do we pick and choose certain things where the equality comes in? If this case involved a male and Javani Brown claimed he was racially abused by a Male would there be this much coverage or discussion? I'm pretty certain there wouldn't be. So if 'Equality' comes into play, whether it's a male or female should be irrelevant Don't put racism on a pedestal if you're still going to crucify somebody whose been on the end of it.You do know that rascist remarks are illegal? All he had to do was call the Rozers, not spit at her. The problem with the way he reacted is that some people will use it to prop up their rascist agenda. I'm all for equal rights, its just unfortunate that at this current time, rascism hasn't gone away. There is never an excuse for physical violence.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 8, 2023 11:13:00 GMT
Yeah but why no mention of it in court? It must of been. The reports I've seen haven't been full transcripts. That's why I asked in the first place. I wasn't trying to be a smartarse with an agenda. The BBC report I read reported on the court case and not the social media from either party and racism wasn't mentioned. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it seemed an odd thing to have omitted.
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Post by willytopp84 on Jul 8, 2023 11:41:19 GMT
Yeah but why no mention of it in court? It must of been. The reports I've seen haven't been full transcripts. Agreed on BLM its full of thugs and should be classed as a terrorist organisation. Gives genuine people fighting against racism a bad name.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 8, 2023 11:44:34 GMT
It must of been. The reports I've seen haven't been full transcripts. Agreed on BLM its full of thugs and should be classed as a terrorist organisation. Gives genuine people fighting against racism a bad name. Wow, talk about sweeping generalisations and overly inflammatory language.
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Post by nailseamark on Jul 8, 2023 11:46:57 GMT
Maybe there was no actual proof of the racism other than his word against hers so they left it out of the court stuff?
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Post by toggsy2 on Jul 8, 2023 12:20:50 GMT
There is one thing that has been overlooked in the report it said the argument started with the doormen and then the women got involved. If the women hadn't got involved none of this would have happened I think there's a lot more to this than meets the eye. Have some of you also considered he may have just pleaded guilty under the advice of his solicitor to save the hassle, first offence etc.
Everyone deserves a second chance surely or is that too much to ask from some people?
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