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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 9, 2023 7:05:32 GMT
Guys - the thread is getting far too personal. Please respect other posters and their opinions even if you may disagree with them, and avoid strong language and insults.
Weve had some posters choose to leave through their own volition and the moderator team have felt it necessary to put some others on a cool down. This morning I’ve suggested to the team that we may need to consider locking this thread. If we wish to avoid that, we’ll need to keep discourse on here sensible.
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Post by socrates on Jul 9, 2023 7:22:35 GMT
I really hope we can keep Collins because these two seem to be really linking up well in pre season and they know each other from a club before I think I read or heard the other day. Our attack is shaping up nicely looking forward to the season. UTG
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Post by DrFaustus on Jul 9, 2023 7:31:37 GMT
Two posters deleted their accounts? I will miss holmes. Sad that he done that as his posts were reasoned and he always made his points with respect. Not sure who the other one is. UTG! He'll be back, if not already. He used to do this all the time on the dead forum.
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Post by justin blue on Jul 9, 2023 7:42:23 GMT
I am dissapointed that some on here are trying to mitigate or even justify this guys actions which he has admitted to and accepted his guilt. However the club have signed him so we just have to hope that it works out. Hopefully Jevani is getting the help he needs and he can rebuild his reputation. Personally I think the club now need to make some sort of statement regarding this matter.
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 9, 2023 7:45:17 GMT
As I've mentioned a few times already, if supporters are fully behind Football Clubs still deciding to take the knee, and are happy to support Kick It Out, Say No To Racism or any other anti racism campaigns being promoted throughout the game, but at the same time vilify a Footballer who has been on the receiving end of it, doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't mean his actions should be without punishment either, which they haven't been, but surely you can understand his reaction? Otherwise it's just worthless pandering and fake gestures But, is that not advocating acceptance of taking the law into their own hands? I can understand totally becoming angry when subject to racism but to react in a way that provokes the authorities to prosecute is doubling down, is it not? I don't necessarily disagree with that Oldie. However human nature kicks in, in the heat of the moment we all react differently. Like I said his actions should be punished, which they have been. We all retaliate, especially when it's personal and emotional.
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2023 7:58:14 GMT
But, is that not advocating acceptance of taking the law into their own hands? I can understand totally becoming angry when subject to racism but to react in a way that provokes the authorities to prosecute is doubling down, is it not? I don't necessarily disagree with that Oldie. However human nature kicks in, in the heat of the moment we all react differently. Like I said his actions should be punished, which they have been. We all retaliate, especially when it's personal and emotional. Yes. I can understand that. Easy for me (being white) but there is something deeply satisfying in calling out racists and laughing at them, and more effective in my opinion.
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 9, 2023 8:28:54 GMT
I don't necessarily disagree with that Oldie. However human nature kicks in, in the heat of the moment we all react differently. Like I said his actions should be punished, which they have been. We all retaliate, especially when it's personal and emotional. Yes. I can understand that. Easy for me (being white) but there is something deeply satisfying in calling out racists and laughing at them, and more effective in my opinion. Again I don't necessarily disagree Oldie. In hindsight that would be the ideal scenario, but again for a split second, in the heat of the moment, emotions get the better of us. As in Javani's statement, it's something he's passionate about, and being racially abused can cause individuals to act in ways that our out of character.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 9, 2023 8:35:52 GMT
But, is that not advocating acceptance of taking the law into their own hands? I can understand totally becoming angry when subject to racism but to react in a way that provokes the authorities to prosecute is doubling down, is it not? I don't necessarily disagree with that Oldie. However human nature kicks in, in the heat of the moment we all react differently. Like I said his actions should be punished, which they have been. We all retaliate, especially when it's personal and emotional. There's zero evidence from the court reporting racism was a factor in this case. If posters want to continue raising that as an issue then post a link to where it was mentioned during this week's hearing, or simply accept it was never raised by Brown's brief during the hearing.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 9, 2023 8:37:39 GMT
Hang on! I’ll call this out. Are we now allowed to do this, mods? Someone has a different opinion from you over violence and how people react and you say that!!! The wonderful irony of it. UTG! Perhaps he didn’t like the sneering, arrogant tone of being accused of having no morals for having “a different opinion”? That’s fine eric, you think it’s ok to call someone a **** on here. I don’t and I didn’t think the rules of the forum allowed it. But obviously they do now, standards have changed! I’m sure people on here can be annoying but not sure that’s an excuse to call them those names, and he was no more sneering or arrogant than others with a different viewpoint. But they don’t resort to calling others names, usually. I’m sure you won’t be calling me one and I certainly won’t be calling you one. And the irony of it being on this thread is quite funny. UTG!
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2023 8:42:07 GMT
I don't necessarily disagree with that Oldie. However human nature kicks in, in the heat of the moment we all react differently. Like I said his actions should be punished, which they have been. We all retaliate, especially when it's personal and emotional. There's zero evidence from the court reporting racism was a factor in this case. If posters want to continue raising that as an issue then post a link to where it was mentioned during this week's hearing, or simply accept it was never raised by Brown's brief during the hearing. We know that and personally I find the post verdict comments dubious. However I was not subject to the comments made by these two women, and it is not denied that they did indeed make a comment. We can only guess at their motivation for doing so.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 9, 2023 9:06:21 GMT
There's zero evidence from the court reporting racism was a factor in this case. If posters want to continue raising that as an issue then post a link to where it was mentioned during this week's hearing, or simply accept it was never raised by Brown's brief during the hearing. We know that and personally I find the post verdict comments dubious. However I was not subject to the comments made by these two women, and it is not denied that they did indeed make a comment. We can only guess at their motivation for doing so. We've simply no idea what they were arguing about, you do have to wonder if Brown really knows given that he's claiming he was drunk.
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Post by Gaswood on Jul 9, 2023 9:27:51 GMT
I don't necessarily disagree with that Oldie. However human nature kicks in, in the heat of the moment we all react differently. Like I said his actions should be punished, which they have been. We all retaliate, especially when it's personal and emotional. There's zero evidence from the court reporting racism was a factor in this case. If posters want to continue raising that as an issue then post a link to where it was mentioned during this week's hearing, or simply accept it was never raised by Brown's brief during the hearing. Not everything does get reported in detail. But it’s not as simple as that, is it. If it was, there would be two cases as the court clearly discussed Brown also being assaulted, yet the other party are not on trial. It was a clear escalation: - Spiralling verbal abuse sparking reaction (non-chargeable, not discussed in detail) - Response from Brown of spitting (chargeable, again not discussed in detail, disgusting but not physical violence) - Response from 3rd person of pulling hair (chargeable, though as far as we know not being pursued, act of physical violence) - Response from Brown of 2 slaps to face leaving red mark (chargeable, act of physical violence, slap not punch discussed in court) A number of people are blurring some lines here. He’s accepted guilt and punishment for his part. It was a silly situation that could and should have been avoided. The other party have not been charged with abusive behaviour or assault despite the court describing this as the situation. They don’t go into detail therefore of the words, pressure of hair pull etc. I’ve seen people starting to add it was a “blind-sided” attack from Jevani Brown etc which I’ve also not seen in the court reporting. The speculation both ways is ridiculous. She said some thing very offensive, likely racist but not confirmed. He spat at her, the harshest possible reaction without physically striking. He is subsequently physically assaulted by hair being pulled. He slaps the person twice leaving a red mark. This is the info we have so let’s not embellish it either way. The sisters comments on Twitter in the past have been shown to be far from what the CCTV and court have discussed or shown. I’d be surprised if there was much further comment from that part given how different her claims were, and those that pointed to that as decent info have seen the court completely disagree. Let’s accept the courts info, move on, and accept that the decision made highlights a drunken night out where 3 people (at least) acted in a stupid and unnecessary manner which spiralled and escalated, yet wasn’t anything that really warranted a 5 month wait for a large court case if the compensation fees and sentence are anything to judge from.
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 9, 2023 9:31:51 GMT
I don't necessarily disagree with that Oldie. However human nature kicks in, in the heat of the moment we all react differently. Like I said his actions should be punished, which they have been. We all retaliate, especially when it's personal and emotional. There's zero evidence from the court reporting racism was a factor in this case. If posters want to continue raising that as an issue then post a link to where it was mentioned during this week's hearing, or simply accept it was never raised by Brown's brief during the hearing. So Jevani Browns lying is he? Do you honestly think straight after the hearing that somebody would just make that up? I'm pretty sure the Police, judges, lawyers would have something to say about it wouldn't you?
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Post by bs10er on Jul 9, 2023 9:50:51 GMT
I think it is time to lock this thread,surely everyone has said what they think by now,time to agree or disagree and move on.
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Post by bidefordgas on Jul 9, 2023 10:04:31 GMT
I think it is time to lock this thread,surely everyone has said what they think by now,time to agree or disagree and move on. Agree. What’s happened has happened no matter how we all feel about it, he is now our player, part of our team that we all support. It’s sad some no longer feel the same affinity for the club that they did before and have chosen to withdraw their support or leave the forum. I fully understand why and respect their position over this issue. Like the old fool I am, I will still support the club and continue to make my two hundred mile round trip to the Mem with the hope of success on and off the field for as long as I can. Looking forward to the Swansea friendly, a home game for me! UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 10:10:10 GMT
I think it is time to lock this thread,surely everyone has said what they think by now,time to agree or disagree and move on. a roundabout with no exit
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2023 10:17:07 GMT
I think it is time to lock this thread,surely everyone has said what they think by now,time to agree or disagree and move on. a roundabout with no exit Other metaphors are available 😂😂
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2023 10:19:45 GMT
I think it is time to lock this thread,surely everyone has said what they think by now,time to agree or disagree and move on. Why? Has someone complained to the mods? Or are some offended by the notion of free speech and the discussion of sensitive subjects?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 9, 2023 10:28:05 GMT
I think it is time to lock this thread,surely everyone has said what they think by now,time to agree or disagree and move on. Why? Has someone complained to the mods? Or are some offended by the notion of free speech and the discussion of sensitive subjects? i wish these treads kept to football discussions and not some PC debate can we move this tread to another section within the forum ?
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Post by oldie on Jul 9, 2023 10:33:24 GMT
Why? Has someone complained to the mods? Or are some offended by the notion of free speech and the discussion of sensitive subjects? i wish these treads kept to football discussions and not some PC debate can we move this tread to another section within the forum ? But it is, football. It's about one of our players, about (perhaps) the very ethos of the club and how it operates. Just one topic amongst the multitude of the threads. It's easy to ignore and not read it. Should we ban threads on planning permissions and process?
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