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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 15, 2023 16:27:10 GMT
Not really got involved in this, as people finding fault with everything JB related, has become rather boring to read, or respond to. As Tilly alluding too.less people are defending because these threads just end up in a small clique of people with a pure hatred of a person and in the end it just veers the majority away from any thread once their agenda takes over Disagree. Many don’t comment on Barton either way. It’s just in the last month, we’ve signed a bloke that hits women, he’s been banned from the stadium for 3 games for calling the ref a lady garden and nonsense on social media. I’m the most tolerant of people but it’s even starting to grind my gears.
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Post by oldie on Jul 15, 2023 16:29:58 GMT
"I’ve watched documentaries about Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, John Wayne Gacy and Lee Harvey Oswald and found them interesting, thought-provoking and containing plenty of food for thought; that doesn’t make me a raving neo-Nazi, neo-Bolshevik, potential serial killer or would-be Presidential assassin . . ."
Another false equivalent in the desperate bid to exonerate Barton from p*ss poor behaviour. Feel free to correct me but I doubt you made a public statement where you said Hitler's "views" are interesting? I suspect also that you have,like the rest of us, a limited public profile and certainly not the near 2M followers Barton has on Twitter. Barton has professional responsibility for young men at BRFC, a profile that demands thought given the prevalence of females in our support base.
Imagine if you were a Police Officer or a guard at a Synagogue, would be ok to say you found the views of murdering psychopaths, the views of media types like Carlson, "interesting"?
You really believe that would be ok?
I don't think so.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 15, 2023 16:34:40 GMT
I thought that but he rarely does. Didn't after his England debut either. Guess us and Rochdale are too low to matter. I looked up to this man. My whole life was built around him morally professionally as a footballer for this club. Someone took the bait. Good work sir.
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Post by phillistine on Jul 15, 2023 16:35:27 GMT
As Tilly alluding too.less people are defending because these threads just end up in a small clique of people with a pure hatred of a person and in the end it just veers the majority away from any thread once their agenda takes over Disagree. Many don’t comment on Barton either way. It’s just in the last month, we’ve signed a bloke that hits women, he’s been banned from the stadium for 3 games for calling the ref a lady garden and nonsense on social media. I’m the most tolerant of people but it’s even starting to grind my gears. " we've signed a bloke that hits women" and " I'm the most tolerant of people...".. do i need to say more?
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Post by Westy on Jul 15, 2023 16:35:30 GMT
Got to agree there - it’s gone beyond the mere clutching of pearls and is rapidly approaching hysteria. It’s not as though Barton is preaching “Andrew Tate is the Messiah!” from the rooftops, is it? As far as I can see, he just commented that he watched the interview with Carlson and found some of it “thought-provoking”. That could mean absolutely f* cking anything! I’ve watched documentaries about Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, John Wayne Gacy and Lee Harvey Oswald and found them interesting, thought-provoking and containing plenty of food for thought; that doesn’t make me a raving neo-Nazi, neo-Bolshevik, potential serial killer or would-be Presidential assassin . . . At no point have I seen that Barton has endorsed Tate’s behaviour, opinions or alleged crimes, or recorded a video saying “Andrew Tate’s great, mate. Be sure to do what he says, kids.” Or words to that effect. And while we’re here, why can’t he have other businesses running alongside being our manager? Most players do, especially the ones further up the pyramid. I don’t care how many pies he’s got his fingers in, as long as he manages the club and coaches the team effectively. And as for people getting the arses out because of the “down to my last £20 million” remark, all I can say is . . . Really? Your lives must so grim and humourless if that pushes your buttons. Last week JB tweeted Carlson's "was a breath of fresh air, now this week he's tweeting "interesting" etc about the Tate interview, it's not just one off the cuff tweet, he's clearly trying to encourage his Twitter followers, and therefore Rovers fans, to also follow Carlson on Twitter. I also would encourage people to watch Tucker. It can help you to build stronger reasoning as to why you disagree with someone, when you listen to them - you can actually say "I disagree with the person because he said X and I think Y". All I'm continuing to see, is people having an opinion on people they don't know anything about. Would a film review have any credibility if the critic hadn't watched the film?
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Post by Westy on Jul 15, 2023 16:37:44 GMT
As Tilly alluding too.less people are defending because these threads just end up in a small clique of people with a pure hatred of a person and in the end it just veers the majority away from any thread once their agenda takes over Disagree. Many don’t comment on Barton either way. It’s just in the last month, we’ve signed a bloke that hits women, he’s been banned from the stadium for 3 games for calling the ref a lady garden and nonsense on social media. I’m the most tolerant of people but it’s even starting to grind my gears. * Slapped a racist * Called a ref what the ref was * Social media is nonsense, even the things you agree with - are nonsense to some.
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Jul 15, 2023 16:41:36 GMT
Post by phillistine on Jul 15, 2023 16:41:36 GMT
"I’ve watched documentaries about Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, John Wayne Gacy and Lee Harvey Oswald and found them interesting, thought-provoking and containing plenty of food for thought; that doesn’t make me a raving neo-Nazi, neo-Bolshevik, potential serial killer or would-be Presidential assassin . . ." Another false equivalent in the desperate bid to exonerate Barton from p*ss poor behaviour. Feel free to correct me but I doubt you made a public statement where you said Hitler's "views" are interesting? I suspect also that you have,like the rest of us, a limited public profile and certainly not the near 2M followers Barton has on Twitter. Barton has professional responsibility for young men at BRFC, a profile that demands thought given the prevalence of females in our support base. Imagine if you were a Police Officer or a guard at a Synagogue, would be ok to say you found the views of murdering psychopaths, the views of media types like Carlson, "interesting"? You really believe that would be ok? I don't think so. when did Barton say that " Hitler's "views" are interesting?
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Jul 15, 2023 16:41:54 GMT
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Post by aghast on Jul 15, 2023 16:41:54 GMT
Whilst we’re on the topics of mental statements and things that could tarnish the reputation of the club.. Tbf to him nothing he said about the government was wrong there How about the one about being nice or nasty to a glass of ice to prove the power of positive speech? He's lost the plot. It's amazing how fairly sane reasonably intelligent people can get sucked into this nonsense. It happens a lot and I think it's a substitute for religion in the modern world. Almost as if we can't believe this life really is all there is, and need to find some kind of power or force to help us.
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Post by casey12a on Jul 15, 2023 16:43:22 GMT
We really need to sign some players, this forum is currently painful.
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Post by bambergashead on Jul 15, 2023 16:57:15 GMT
I have finally got to the end of this thread and all I can say is WTF has happened to my football club...
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jul 15, 2023 17:28:51 GMT
As Tilly alluding too.less people are defending because these threads just end up in a small clique of people with a pure hatred of a person and in the end it just veers the majority away from any thread once their agenda takes over Disagree. Many don’t comment on Barton either way. It’s just in the last month, we’ve signed a bloke that hits women, he’s been banned from the stadium for 3 games for calling the ref a lady garden and nonsense on social media. I’m the most tolerant of people but it’s even starting to grind my gears. not as simple as that though is it? on the first point a period of unsavoury behaviour by others escalated and culminated in the court case, the very best Football managers from the very top down to local parks have been subjected to banning orders, on the last point agree, i don't understand why people in the public eye feel it necessary to go on social media and spout their views knowing what the reaction will be, don't know about twitter more like twats!! imho!
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Post by perryfenwick on Jul 15, 2023 17:39:11 GMT
If he wasn't our manager then you definitely wouldn't - nobody else does, same for all the clubs he's been at. I don't think a manager of a football club, who young men look up to, referring to a woman beating rapist as 'interesting' is trivial tbh. The generation of lads that are into this Tate bloke are the exact generation who, at BRFC, love Barton most (second place is the 50+ ex GHS blokes who read those cringe hooligan books). I cannot believe what I've been reading in this thread. So Joey is'nt the nicest of blokes . Well after reading what you and other people have posted in this thread -- I would say "Pot, kettle & black ". I have never read so much garbage, vit-riol & nastiness . You say the 50 + Ex GHS types ( You forgot the 60 + Ex Tote Enders) But some of you lot are worse. A lot worse. To think I stand in the same ground and support the same team as some of you -- Makes me cringe. Calm down dear, I'm not saying all over 50s Gas are ex GHS types, but the ones who are are the ones who love this manager. As with the adolescent crowd in the Blackthorn in their Weekend Offender polo shirts singing songs about a team they've never seen us face and a terrorist organisation who hung their guns up before these lads were born. Just saying - there's an element of the fanbase who adore the bloke and they just happen to be not very nice people. If my mean words are the worst thing you've seen then well done on not following the manager or his legion of acolytes on social media.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 15, 2023 17:51:41 GMT
Surely how the incident occurred is irrelevant we've gone out and signed a play with a conviction for assaulting a woman when no other club would touch him
Likewise with other managers getting stadium bans, I can't recall any previous Rovers manager ever even getting close to a stadium ban, the worse is usually a touchline ban for a game or two.
It seems JB is now totally out of control and you do fear where it will all end if he carries on as he is at present.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 15, 2023 18:07:40 GMT
Somehow I missed it 😂 What’s also telling is that there are less people defending and just staying silent. Listen, he has potential to be a good manager but it seems that every few months we have to go through something that just doesn’t sit right with many. Not really got involved in this, as people finding fault with everything JB related, has become rather boring to read, or respond to.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 15, 2023 18:08:35 GMT
Not really got involved in this, as people finding fault with everything JB related, has become rather boring to read, or respond to. Tilly 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏x💙utg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 19:00:38 GMT
Disagree. Many don’t comment on Barton either way. It’s just in the last month, we’ve signed a bloke that hits women, he’s been banned from the stadium for 3 games for calling the ref a lady garden and nonsense on social media. I’m the most tolerant of people but it’s even starting to grind my gears. * Slapped a racist * Called a ref what the ref was * Social media is nonsense, even the things you agree with - are nonsense to some. The racist comment wasn’t mentioned in court, but in your world you can slap a women if she calls you basically anything. Surely even if a women called you the most horrific thing in the world, you don’t raise your hands to a female? PLEASE ANSWER THIS If we all go around in this world calling people C U next Tuesday’s who get things wrong, society is going to break down. People make mistakes, so do referees. Social Media, I agree with you, it’s rubbish but in the past you’d maybe get drunk and shout your opinion in the pub, and in a lot of cases you’d be told to shut up. He is out of control on Twitter, he won’t get a job after us, he’s unemployable mentioning what he does, sponsors with the big teams won’t put up with it. If he’s such a good manager, why have the FGR and Exeter managers gone up levels since we all got promotion on lesser budgets? It’s because he’s a gob sh**e, terrible reputation and bang average manager.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jul 15, 2023 19:10:27 GMT
Disagree. Many don’t comment on Barton either way. It’s just in the last month, we’ve signed a bloke that hits women, he’s been banned from the stadium for 3 games for calling the ref a lady garden and nonsense on social media. I’m the most tolerant of people but it’s even starting to grind my gears. not as simple as that though is it? on the first point a period of unsavoury behaviour by others escalated and culminated in the court case, the very best Football managers from the very top down to local parks have been subjected to banning orders, on the last point agree, i don't understand why people in the public eye feel it necessary to go on social media and spout their views knowing what the reaction will be, don't know about twitter more like twats!! imho! Threads is where all the cool kids are these days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 19:44:47 GMT
I cannot believe what I've been reading in this thread. So Joey is'nt the nicest of blokes . Well after reading what you and other people have posted in this thread -- I would say "Pot, kettle & black ". I have never read so much garbage, vit-riol & nastiness . You say the 50 + Ex GHS types ( You forgot the 60 + Ex Tote Enders) But some of you lot are worse. A lot worse. To think I stand in the same ground and support the same team as some of you -- Makes me cringe. Calm down dear, I'm not saying all over 50s Gas are ex GHS types, but the ones who are are the ones who love this manager. As with the adolescent crowd in the Blackthorn in their Weekend Offender polo shirts singing songs about a team they've never seen us face and a terrorist organisation who hung their guns up before these lads were born. Just saying - there's an element of the fanbase who adore the bloke and they just happen to be not very nice people. If my mean words are the worst thing you've seen then well done on not following the manager or his legion of acolytes on social media. dear?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 15, 2023 20:05:19 GMT
I like him ! I’m not a nasty person 🤔🤔🤔x💙utg
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Post by Westy on Jul 15, 2023 20:11:03 GMT
* Slapped a racist * Called a ref what the ref was * Social media is nonsense, even the things you agree with - are nonsense to some. The racist comment wasn’t mentioned in court, but in your world you can slap a women if she calls you basically anything. Surely even if a women called you the most horrific thing in the world, you don’t raise your hands to a female? PLEASE ANSWER THIS If we all go around in this world calling people C U next Tuesday’s who get things wrong, society is going to break down. People make mistakes, so do referees. Social Media, I agree with you, it’s rubbish but in the past you’d maybe get drunk and shout your opinion in the pub, and in a lot of cases you’d be told to shut up. He is out of control on Twitter, he won’t get a job after us, he’s unemployable mentioning what he does, sponsors with the big teams won’t put up with it. If he’s such a good manager, why have the FGR and Exeter managers gone up levels since we all got promotion on lesser budgets? It’s because he’s a gob sh**e, terrible reputation and bang average manager. A bitch slap to someone acting like a bitch. That's the way I see it. There's a fine line when violence is involved, especially when emotions are high. It's not like he decked her and dragged her up and down the high street. Defending himself from having his hair pulled - even a push *could* have resulted in much worse physical injury, which at the same time I'm sure we could all agree it's ok to push a woman off of us if she is attacking us. On the balance of things, a slap, over a push, over a punch... Is probably the closest to that blurry line or acceptable. For the record, I've been in a physically abusive relationship with a woman. A lot of reflection goes on in my head that I wished I had sometimes at least tried to push her off of me but I didn't stand up for myself and have had to take multiple days off of work on multiple occasions whilst a black eye or cuts on my face have healed. Not many of us have actually been attacked by a woman. So it's easy for people to say "never hit a woman", and yes, that is my principles, and that has been my action (or lack of reaction) in such a circumstance. It's difficult to articulate such a complex issue, but ultimately, yes - I think a woman attacking a man can expect a slap. But I would feel different if it was a punch or full on attack. As for the referee moment. I say what's on my mind and call things how they are. In a competitive game with high passions and a load of testosterone floating around, some people might get called names. Suck it up buttercup or maybe that referee would be better off judging village flower competitions. I do agree that Barton should reign it in a bit, because as someone mentioned back in this thread, it seems every few months we have another Joey Moment™ to divide the fans and cause a tiny little wave of uproar. However... That really goes against my own principles of free speech and allowing people to be, say and do whatever the hell they like outside of work. Yes, I know, he's associated with us. But it's not as if he's parading around Berlin waving a swastika and geeing up the populous to have a crack at a fourth Reich is it? He posted a video of people who some people dislike. And yes, I know, Andrew Tate blah blah blah. Even I am self censoring here because I've heard and listened to A LOT of this guy, purely out of wondering what the hell the hubbub was about. I haven't heard anything that's particularly worrying. Even the things you think you've heard, "he's sexist because he said X, he's a chauvinistic pig becuyhe said Y". Well, I went and watched the whole episodes & podcasts of each particular mention he's had in the mainstream media, and seeing it first hand how his words have been taken wholly out of context and twisted against him to portray him as the person you think he is, is particularly worrying. This has only fueled my own mistrust of journalists and the media, which makes me laugh even more when people deride Tucker. Finally, re why have FGR gone up levels etc.. I'd say it's down to Bristol being the second most expensive city in the country, which footballers aren't going to want to triple their rent or mortgage payments moving here, coupled with having a falling down stadium (as much as I love the mem for all its faults and character), and from an outside perspective, a yo-yoing club who don't seem to ever spend any money on any players, probably doesn't seem like such an attractive place to be.
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