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Post by gasonthemount on Jul 14, 2023 20:58:10 GMT
I’m fairly convinced that the club are going to build it either concurrently to the planning process or seek approval retrospectively, given the promises they’ve made so far. To not have anything ready for the first 3/4 home games of the season would just be embarrassing. I'm sorry but you can't build things prior without Full council decision. The application needs to be discussed and voted on legally . The council publish its meetings on the website for all to see. We have 3 meetings coming up before the summer recess. The first two agenda have been published and we are not on it. Then there is one more meeting committee A in early August . The secretary will form the agenda 2 weeks before this meeting for it to be legally published 7 days before for public scrutiny. The club will know by next week if it will be heard in early August or September. The notion you can build a project this size and avoid a ' full council vote ' is both false and dated. There is nothing to stop Rovers constructing the new stands but obviously it comes with risks. If the Council grant retrospective planning permission then no problem. If they refused they could issue an enforcement notice for the whole structure to be demolished. However Rovers could appeal both to the Planning Inspectorate. Looking on Luton Borough Council site I can find no planning application for the work currently being undertaken, upwards of £10 million. The hospitality boxes on one side of the ground have been demolished and a new stand with all the requirements for Premier League media will be constructed in its place. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 14, 2023 21:07:34 GMT
I Actually enjoy the summer of Gas time off, nice bit of downtime from league/Cup matters while i indulge in my international exploits. This club consumes my life August to May, definitely not interested with the ins & outs of absolutely everything between league campaigns. Kudos to those that love it 365 & 24/7 mind. Same Dude, Some people got empty lives. Not me, I took 3 days off in June. It was invigorating , I’m pumped for the Season. Any news on the new Tea Lady at the Quarters ? Heard we’ve put in a bid for the Barnsley tea lady , she leaves the tea bag in longer and doesn’t scrimp on the sugar . |
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 14, 2023 21:36:56 GMT
Same Dude, Some people got empty lives. Not me, I took 3 days off in June. It was invigorating , I’m pumped for the Season. Any news on the new Tea Lady at the Quarters ? Heard we’ve put in a bid for the Barnsley tea lady , she leaves the tea bag in longer and doesn’t scrimp on the sugar . She’s creating quite a stir. Gone. |
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 15, 2023 1:56:56 GMT
Same Dude, Some people got empty lives. Not me, I took 3 days off in June. It was invigorating , I’m pumped for the Season. Any news on the new Tea Lady at the Quarters ? Heard we’ve put in a bid for the Barnsley tea lady , she leaves the tea bag in longer and doesn’t scrimp on the sugar . I’ve actually had a look on their Forum. They don’t seem to bothered about losing her, turns out she uses the same bag all week. Not surprised TBH , Yorkshire init. |
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Post by herbertblake on Jul 15, 2023 5:08:56 GMT
I believe Rovers approached Barnsley to switch our first home fixture to Oakwell but the Tykes turned it down. The stand won't be finished for then.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Jul 15, 2023 6:21:52 GMT
Could we not have one game with a reduced capacity? Or do we legally have to offer Barnsley some seats?
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Post by keygas on Jul 15, 2023 8:52:24 GMT
Could we not have one game with a reduced capacity? Or do we legally have to offer Barnsley some seats? Don’t know about offering away seats, but there is a minimum amount of tickets need to be offered to visiting clubs, but I’ve heard we have sold best part of 400 season tickets seats for the new area, which could be a problem to move, due to the lack of seat availability in the 2 main stands. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jul 15, 2023 9:10:12 GMT
Given there's already permission for a temporary stand in that position then could it be opened with just a safety certificate for the existing capacity?
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Post by mftc on Jul 15, 2023 9:11:36 GMT
I suppose it is a sign of the times that fans want and need to know every detail.
I remember the days when teams were announced by Ray Kendall as they came out on the pitch, not an hour and half before and having to get a Green/Pink Un to find out the scores, if I was playing and missed Sports Report. New signings were announced in the EP when they actually signed.
Rumours were just "bloke down the pub told me" so must be true (sic)stories then.
Do recall a mate thinking Bert Tann wasn't American and wasn't he to old to be drafted to go to Vietnam. I think he was joking.
Maybe the days of not knowing and just waiting for Robin Perry to write something true were actually better than the not really ITK rumour mill with many suggestions of things that would never possibly happen?
Having said, that I was told a business should plan at least 6 months in advance,so the fun day, shirt release date and stand should have been sorted months ago, so the club should have made some confirmed announcements a while ago.
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Post by gashead99 on Jul 15, 2023 9:28:31 GMT
Could we not have one game with a reduced capacity? Or do we legally have to offer Barnsley some seats? Don’t know about offering away seats, but there is a minimum amount of tickets need to be offered to visiting clubs, but I’ve heard we have sold best part of 400 season tickets seats for the new area, which could be a problem to move, due to the lack of seat availability in the 2 main stands. Which is exactly my concern. Having bought and paid for Season tickets, I am expecting to have those seats available in August. There is no other seated availability so a lot of disgruntled season ticket holders in waiting. As ever though, I live in hope! |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 15, 2023 10:08:54 GMT
I'm sorry but you can't build things prior without Full council decision. The application needs to be discussed and voted on legally . The council publish its meetings on the website for all to see. We have 3 meetings coming up before the summer recess. The first two agenda have been published and we are not on it. Then there is one more meeting committee A in early August . The secretary will form the agenda 2 weeks before this meeting for it to be legally published 7 days before for public scrutiny. The club will know by next week if it will be heard in early August or September. The notion you can build a project this size and avoid a ' full council vote ' is both false and dated. Luton Town must be doing something similar, as it's hard to believe they are spending £10m on their ground this summer without it requiring pp? Perhaps the club have been informed they can proceed due to the delays within the planning dept if pp's virtually guaranteed? Not sure how retrospect pp works when someone has already submitted a planning application for the work carried out? You may be right about some stuff needing pp at Luton but perhaps it’s just additions to existing stands, perhaps small extensions, press box stuff to enlarge, changes internally which may not need pp. Not sure. It’s not a major improvement like our new stand. When AFCB got to the PL, like Luton they had to make plenty of minor adjustments but no major additions and didn’t have any delays and it was all ready, but I don’t think pp caused any problems. And they started straightaway in May. Seems likely we will be much later starting the work and the construction of a 3000 seater stand is quite major. A big dilemma for the club, starting work expecting pp to be given retrospectively or waiting and missing the opening few games because it’s not ready. Tom G will be earning his money over the next month or so. Good luck to him. UTG! |
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Post by wertongas on Jul 15, 2023 10:31:54 GMT
I reported on here before, that I asked TG whether the planning application was being treated as a matter of urgency by planning and he said yes. That is important, because if a planning officer designates planning permission as urgent the club can go ahead and commence contsruction work before permission is granted, that is what planning law says.
I also asked whether the club was likely to breach EFL rules and TG said the club were not concerned about that at this stage. Ground has to have a minimum of 2,000 seats to avoid breach of the rules.
He said that lots of work has already taken place in preperation for building in due course.
It is unlikely that the the permission would not be granted, so I suppose it down to the club if they risk starting construction now.
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Post by keygas on Jul 15, 2023 10:52:24 GMT
Don’t know about offering away seats, but there is a minimum amount of tickets need to be offered to visiting clubs, but I’ve heard we have sold best part of 400 season tickets seats for the new area, which could be a problem to move, due to the lack of seat availability in the 2 main stands. Which is exactly my concern. Having bought and paid for Season tickets, I am expecting to have those seats available in August. There is no other seated availability so a lot of disgruntled season ticket holders in waiting. As ever though, I live in hope! Could be a close call, but as the club are still selling hospitality packages for the Barnsley match, perhaps the club are more confident in everything being in place than a few of us on here. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 15, 2023 11:54:58 GMT
I believe Rovers approached Barnsley to switch our first home fixture to Oakwell but the Tykes turned it down. The stand won't be finished for then. Who told you this? |
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Post by supergas on Jul 15, 2023 12:28:57 GMT
Luton Town must be doing something similar, as it's hard to believe they are spending £10m on their ground this summer without it requiring pp? Perhaps the club have been informed they can proceed due to the delays within the planning dept if pp's virtually guaranteed? Not sure how retrospect pp works when someone has already submitted a planning application for the work carried out? You may be right about some stuff needing pp at Luton but perhaps it’s just additions to existing stands, perhaps small extensions, press box stuff to enlarge, changes internally which may not need pp. Not sure. It’s not a major improvement like our new stand. When AFCB got to the PL, like Luton they had to make plenty of minor adjustments but no major additions and didn’t have any delays and it was all ready, but I don’t think pp caused any problems. And they started straightaway in May. Seems likely we will be much later starting the work and the construction of a 3000 seater stand is quite major. A big dilemma for the club, starting work expecting pp to be given retrospectively or waiting and missing the opening few games because it’s not ready. Tom G will be earning his money over the next month or so. Good luck to him. Luton are not adding that much capacity (just a few hundred seats) but are doing works that will have huge impacts on those living near the ground, including basically rebuilding the Bobbers Stand (which runs the length of the pitch), the floodlights are being replaced/improved/added to which will mean more light pollution and they are creating bigger and better areas for TV/equipment trucks meaning more vehicle movements. I'd be shocked if they didn't need planning permission and it's not obvious anywhere online that they applied for it in advance and/or have yet obtained it.... |
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Post by gas2 on Jul 15, 2023 13:01:52 GMT
Luton spending 10 million for one season in the Premier league waste of money better they spent it on a new stadium should have ground shared tho a few big clubs will be dreading playing at Kenilworth road intimidating little ground
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Post by dudelebowski on Jul 15, 2023 13:26:43 GMT
I believe Rovers approached Barnsley to switch our first home fixture to Oakwell but the Tykes turned it down. The stand won't be finished for then. Who told you this? Only since the Luton news broke of course🙄 |
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Post by aghast on Jul 15, 2023 13:48:57 GMT
Luton spending 10 million for one season in the Premier league waste of money better they spent it on a new stadium should have ground shared tho a few big clubs will be dreading playing at Kenilworth road intimidating little ground I suppose being in the PL gives them a large part of the funds to rebuild the stadium somewhere else, minus the £10m they have to spend just to be allowed into the PL. It's like throwing money away though to some extent. Kenilworth Road is totally hemmed in on all sides and can never really be improved. The Mem site is like Wembley in comparison. Plenty of room for new stands. Not that we need it of course because we're off fruit picking soon. |
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Post by Quarters on Jul 15, 2023 13:49:20 GMT
Luton spending 10 million for one season in the Premier league waste of money better they spent it on a new stadium should have ground shared tho a few big clubs will be dreading playing at Kenilworth road intimidating little ground Luton are to move to a new stadium. 10 Mill spend when they have an extra 100 mill+ coming in, to meet prem rules not a bad deal. Think new ground is funded by sale of land they previously bought for new stadium. |
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Post by herbertblake on Jul 15, 2023 19:54:16 GMT
I believe Rovers approached Barnsley to switch our first home fixture to Oakwell but the Tykes turned it down. The stand won't be finished for then. Who told you this? If I told you I would have to Bury you six feet under the foundations of the new stand! |
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