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Post by bluestickgas1 on Jul 21, 2023 23:03:51 GMT
Wow….. some of the comments on here are just unbelievable! I swear some of the belittling comments on the quality, technique and skill of the women’s game must have been made by people who haven’t actually watched much women’s football in the last 5 years or more as it is so much stronger and better quality than what they’ve made out. I agree with the notion that the men and women’s game is different. The quality, technique etc is no less where I see differences is in the women’s game it tends to be: - more honest - there’s none of this rolling around feigning injury - on average more exciting and end to end - less about money - more invested in community and more fan engagement - a little less physical but not hugely so - better sportspersonship with genuine respect for the referee and opponents And I’d say the lionesses would easily give a strong EFL / championship side a run for their money, if not beat them. If you watch their play, shape, support and movement as well as defensive actions, they are solid. It’s only up front where I’d say it’s inconsistent finishing sometimes Sorry but that's rubbish. Any EFL team would thrash the Lionesses. I don't see why we have to compare though. Women's football is it's own entity. Never in a million years is it rubbish when you look at the quality and technical capabilities of the lionesses.. I’ve watched football at all levels for a long long time and have spent a fair amount of time watching the women’s game at different levels also… I’d take your point when looking at Women’s league teams against direct comparisons to men’s team equivalents but not the lionesses who are well drilled, strong, technical and with an excellent organisation and game plan under Wiegman…. But it’s ok if we don’t agree here though…. Where we both do agree is that the women’s game should be celebrated and assessed in its own right and not constantly compared to the men’s game |
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Post by gretschgas on Jul 21, 2023 23:43:57 GMT
OK, so apologies for the rant, but...
No idea why people seem to always want to compare the mens and womens games, it's a silly and pointless debate as they are completely different games.
That doesn't mean either one is better, most on here prefer watching Rovers to prem football despite the standard being significantly lower after all.
The womens game has improved significantly in the last decade and despite it not having the pace and power of the mens game the passing and movement in the top sides is really entertaining to watch. England use the likes of Hemp, James, Kelly and Toone to the max, just watch a few games, the football is fantastic. No route one long ball, all football, and best of all hardly any diving or complaining to the refs or time wasting.
The Euros were fantastic and I'm sure this world cup will be fantastic. I'll be supporting the Lionesses throughout, it's all on TV in the mornings so if your not bothered just don't watch, stop criticising it just because its not the same level as the mens game. No one is claiming it is, it's different but really exciting nevertheless.
But if you are happy to watch the gas rather than premiership sides, particularly when we were in league 2/conference, then watching the top womens teams will impress you in terms of the football being played (unless you enjoy lumping the ball up to a 6"4 forward time and time again).
It's two different sports, played slightly differently, but both entertaining and exciting to watch. They shouldn't be compared directly just like they aren't in athletics, tennis or rugby, but mens and womens football both deserve to be enjoyed by all. If your a sceptic watch the latter stages at least. If you like football, being played on the floor, with technical ability and passion, then I guarantee you will enjoy the games!
Rant over. Up the Lionesses and the Gas girls!
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 22, 2023 0:18:19 GMT
Agree. The players from the top sides like USA, England, Australia, Spain etc have very good technical ability. 2 examples, Lauren James for England and Sam Kerr for Australia would get into a lot of Professional Mens sides on ability alone. They just don't have the same power, fitness and endurance levels as their Male Counterparts. No different to pitting Roger Federer v Serena Willians. The main area that needs vast improvement is the Goalkeeping. A Wrexham old boys team including a 43 year old Lee Trundle recently put 12 past a USWNT in 36 minutes and if you watch that you will see it was nothing to do with power and pace, the old men just had too much technical ability for the women. And we're talking about what was then a National League old boys team. I am absolutely certain that Sam Kerr the Chelsea and Australia striker has far more technical ability and would score more goals for Bristol Rovers than Ryan Loft. The top sides have players that could cut it in Mens Professional Football. Even if it's National League or League 2, I'm not saying Lionel Messi standard. There's huge gulfs in class in the mens game from Premier League to National league. Most lower league players won't ever get to play in The Premier League, do we scoff at Rovers players because they're not as good as Erling Haaland? No we appreciate that they're 3rd Division Footballers. Can we not do that with the Women? And just appreciate it for what it is? Women playing the sport we love. |
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 22, 2023 0:52:45 GMT
A Wrexham old boys team including a 43 year old Lee Trundle recently put 12 past a USWNT in 36 minutes and if you watch that you will see it was nothing to do with power and pace, the old men just had too much technical ability for the women. And we're talking about what was then a National League old boys team. I am absolutely certain that Sam Kerr the Chelsea and Australia striker has far more technical ability and would score more goals for Bristol Rovers than Ryan Loft. The top sides have players that could cut it in Mens Professional Football. There's huge gulfs in class in the mens game from Premier League to National league. I agree that there is a huge gap between the Premier League and the National League and yet a bunch of National League old boys put 12 past supposedly the best Women's team in the world in 36 minutes and were technically superior (if you don't believe me then watch it) so I don't get your point there. As for the Sam Kerr etc, honestly don't make me laugh. People try and big up the women's game, and I really don't have any issues with anyone playing football, just don't try and make out that it is anywhere near the level of men's football. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 22, 2023 1:34:35 GMT
I am absolutely certain that Sam Kerr the Chelsea and Australia striker has far more technical ability and would score more goals for Bristol Rovers than Ryan Loft. The top sides have players that could cut it in Mens Professional Football. There's huge gulfs in class in the mens game from Premier League to National league. I agree that there is a huge gap between the Premier League and the National League and yet a bunch of National League old boys put 12 past supposedly the best Women's team in the world in 36 minutes and were technically superior (if you don't believe me then watch it) so I don't get your point there. As for the Sam Kerr etc, honestly don't make me laugh. People try and big up the women's game, and I really don't have any issues with anyone playing football, just don't try and make out that it is anywhere near the level of men's football. I haven't made out that it's anywhere near the Mens game. All I've stated is that there's players in the top sides that could cut it in the Mens game. Just like there's players from the National League that have been good enough to go on to play in the Premier League, that doesn't mean all National League plsyers can, does it? Sam Kerr has a far better first touch, better balance and better dribbling than Ryan Loft all day long. Also Lauren James, if you don't think she's technically superior than many of the players we've had in the past then I don't know what game you watch. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Jul 22, 2023 4:59:44 GMT
At the end of the day, these girls are making a decent living out of football and are 1000x better at the beautiful game than the majority of adults who can only watch from the terraces on a weekend.
Knowledge, ability, talent, absolutely worlds away. For some that’s one bitter pill to swallow and can’t handle it.
Anyway, World Cup match day🏴‘Mon England!!!!
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Post by heartofgas on Jul 22, 2023 6:11:02 GMT
I agree that there is a huge gap between the Premier League and the National League and yet a bunch of National League old boys put 12 past supposedly the best Women's team in the world in 36 minutes and were technically superior (if you don't believe me then watch it) so I don't get your point there. As for the Sam Kerr etc, honestly don't make me laugh. People try and big up the women's game, and I really don't have any issues with anyone playing football, just don't try and make out that it is anywhere near the level of men's football. I haven't made out that it's anywhere near the Mens game. All I've stated is that there's players in the top sides that could cut it in the Mens game. Just like there's players from the National League that have been good enough to go on to play in the Premier League, that doesn't mean all National League plsyers can, does it? Sam Kerr has a far better first touch, better balance and better dribbling than Ryan Loft all day long. Also Lauren James, if you don't think she's technically superior than many of the players we've had in the past then I don't know what game you watch. It may be she does have a better touch than lofty but there is no way she would be scoring in the professional men's game. |
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Post by heartofgas on Jul 22, 2023 6:25:51 GMT
I watched bits of Spain Costa Rica yesterday. The Costa Rica goalkeeper was pretty decent made some good saves. It was a very one sided game with one Spanish player standing out.
I think one of the things that I observe generally is the women's game isn't at the same intensity and competition that the man's game is. The difference between the best and worse teams seems more pronounced. I guess this is down to the maturity of the woman's game
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Post by mftc on Jul 22, 2023 6:49:23 GMT
Why is there this men v women debate?
Its same horse, different jockey.
A great game is quite often about two well matched teams, whatever the level.
I'm sure I have played in some exciting 5-4 parks matches that to the neutral would have been much better viewing despite the mistakes and lack if ability than some 0-0 borefest that the Prem has delivered.
There is no doubting the pride and passion the girls game produces.
I for one will be supporting my country. I can't say Eddie the Eagle or for that matter Torvil and Dean ever did it for me, but I showed an interest and watched them in support and no doubt the Lionesses will be more entertaining to me, especially in the knock out stages.
Hopefully in 2 or 3 world cups time, there may even by a Gas Girl involved.
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Post by tinkerbell on Jul 22, 2023 6:59:26 GMT
When you consider we were banned from playing football for 50 years. And the year prior to the ban in 1921, 50,000 fans watched a women match at Goodison Park. Can you imagine all the top men's clubs of today being told they can’t play next year.
In 1971, the FA lifted the ban and the WFA was formed. It was many years before the women’s game was brought under the auspices of the FA. And with it a firmer footing. Then a few more until a decent league structure was introduced.
Think back to the men’s game in 1971 and consider the technical ability back then and now. The men's game has improved exponentially since those days, but so has the women. It takes time, money and a few generations to bring the standard of any sport from virtually zero to a high level of technical ability. The exponential growth in the women game is truly remarkable. Especially when so many young girls still do not have the opportunity to play at school etc.
Until recently girls growing up had no role models. Whilst the boys had all manner to choose from.
So please do not compare the two games. The playing field has not been, and is not level, and won’t be level for some years to come, if at all.
Enjoy both versions of the game and cheer on our national teams
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Post by farmerofsheep on Jul 22, 2023 7:53:41 GMT
When you consider we were banned from playing football for 50 years. And the year prior to the ban in 1921, 50,000 fans watched a women match at Goodison Park. Can you imagine all the top men's clubs of today being told they can’t play next year. In 1971, the FA lifted the ban and the WFA was formed. It was many years before the women’s game was brought under the auspices of the FA. And with it a firmer footing. Then a few more until a decent league structure was introduced. Think back to the men’s game in 1971 and consider the technical ability back then and now. The men's game has improved exponentially since those days, but so has the women. It takes time, money and a few generations to bring the standard of any sport from virtually zero to a high level of technical ability. The exponential growth in the women game is truly remarkable. Especially when so many young girls still do not have the opportunity to play at school etc. Until recently girls growing up had no role models. Whilst the boys had all manner to choose from. So please do not compare the two games. The playing field has not been, and is not level, and won’t be level for some years to come, if at all. Enjoy both versions of the game and cheer on our national teams Yep, makes sense, I watched the Aussie v Ireland game yesterday, the Irish no 11 played very well and was not scared to hurt the opposition, bit of a Alex Munroe. Do England have any tough players like that? |
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Post by percy on Jul 22, 2023 9:44:36 GMT
Good game so far. Haiti causing problems with their pace
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jul 22, 2023 10:23:02 GMT
Good game so far. Haiti causing problems with their pace Entertaining half and Haiti giving it a good go which is good to see and highlights clear defensive issues we will need to work on. Much better than a walkover where you learn absolutely nothing. |
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Post by xenongas on Jul 22, 2023 10:36:53 GMT
Haiti carry the ball forward well but haven't got the quality in the box. England with plenty of dangerous crosses.
Decent watch so far. Enjoy it being so open.
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Post by xenongas on Jul 22, 2023 10:52:42 GMT
Sometimes Bright's passing reminds me of Connolly!
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Post by percy on Jul 22, 2023 10:59:04 GMT
Feel England need another here. We aren’t great at the back today!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jul 22, 2023 11:15:19 GMT
Just stop the comparisons, woman are forging there own path let them be and enjoy it for what it is, when watching Rovers v Burton we don't compare it with Man City v Real Madrid do we? there is no comparison but we still enjoy it don't we? and are just as passionate as any of their fans IMHO.
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Post by percy on Jul 22, 2023 11:16:51 GMT
Great save Earps. That should have been 1-1
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 22, 2023 11:35:49 GMT
Just stop the comparisons, woman are forging there own path let them be and enjoy it for what it is, when watching Rovers v Burton we don't compare it with Man City v Real Madrid do we? there is no comparison but we still enjoy it don't we? and are just as passionate as any of their fans IMHO. I totally agree and it's a very fair point, just don't do it off the back of the men's game, don't shove it down people's throat (I'm talking the media here, especially, but not exclusively, the BBC and thirdly it's the women footballers and their proponents that are making the comparisons by demanding equal pay, equal recognition and refusing TV deals because they are too low. You say we don't compare league one with the EPL, exactly, we don't and we don't expect equal pay for our players, we don't expect a massive TV deal and we don't expect blanket coverage on outlets like the BBC. If you doubt me take a look at the football page of the BBC, not now because the women's world cup is on and the BBC are covering it so there is going to be a lot of coverage, but a normal week during the season. I guarantee they'll be a number of stories about women's football, all them positive and hyperbolic, the odd story about the championship and none about any league below the championship. |
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 22, 2023 11:46:18 GMT
I agree that there is a huge gap between the Premier League and the National League and yet a bunch of National League old boys put 12 past supposedly the best Women's team in the world in 36 minutes and were technically superior (if you don't believe me then watch it) so I don't get your point there. As for the Sam Kerr etc, honestly don't make me laugh. People try and big up the women's game, and I really don't have any issues with anyone playing football, just don't try and make out that it is anywhere near the level of men's football. I haven't made out that it's anywhere near the Mens game. All I've stated is that there's players in the top sides that could cut it in the Mens game. Just like there's players from the National League that have been good enough to go on to play in the Premier League, that doesn't mean all National League plsyers can, does it? Sam Kerr has a far better first touch, better balance and better dribbling than Ryan Loft all day long. Also Lauren James, if you don't think she's technically superior than many of the players we've had in the past then I don't know what game you watch. To be honest I am not saying that the players you have mentioned and others do not look good when playing against other women, but when they play against men, even 45 year old fat guys like Lee Trundle, the speed and intensity that men play at does not allow the women to have the apparent touch or allow them to dribble in the way they are able to against women, the ball moves more quickly and so do the opposition players. It's the same in cricket, most people look good against mid sixties to mid seventies pies being chucked down but add 20mph to that and your technique goes out of the window, you are hurried and the ball hits a lot harder. Same in football. I understand that some people are heavily invested in defending things like equity but there needs to be a bit of reality as well. When outlets like the BBC advertise women's tournaments with the strap line 'you thought you knew who the best players in the world were, you do now' and show a bunch of women players most of us have never heard of but not Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, de Bruyne etc, we know it isn't true and an agenda is being pushed, that's what annoys a lot of people, and ultimately does damage to the original cause because people just get turned off. |
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