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Post by curlywurly on Jul 22, 2023 11:16:28 GMT
I'm sorry, someone has to stick up for Belshaw. He's one of the best keepers we've had for years, and most of his dodgy moments last season were caused by a defence unable to deal with the long ball. Be careful what you wish for people, we could end up with far worse. I'd agree.
The second goal was as much Luca's fault for playing it back to Belly when Braga had a press on + the standing instruction to play it out from the back no matter what. Any team doing their homework will adopt a high press on us and force errors. I'm not saying don't play it out, but players have to have the freedom to play it long if the press gets too tight.
Still - pre season. Good runout and a good performance against a team that finished 3rd in the Portugese Premeira Liga last season.
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 22, 2023 11:19:37 GMT
Second half saw two/three different formations for The Gas which enabled Braga to dominate possession.
The home side were composed on the ball, rarely gave the ball away cheaply and were a constant threat with intricate interplay around/in the box.
The large number of substitutions disturbed the BRFC attacking fluency. At times it seemed like an attack versus defence training drill.
Very few players in the second half made a strong claim to replace the original starting eleven.
Braga deserved to win but they did not do so easily. A few aspects of the Braga playing style are worth emulating. Their shielding of the ball, their breaking up of our play with their high press and their corner routines are worth studying.
On to Swansea on Tuesday.
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Post by xenongas on Jul 22, 2023 11:26:12 GMT
I would say, maybe 5 goals, which is no worse than the average goalkeeper. He's saved us in far more games than he's cost us. He cost us 4 goals in both games against Exeter. Think people are being a bit lenient on him as he is a fans favorite. The Exeter games are often used as a stick to beat Belshaw with so I've just had a watch of the goals. Clearly he goes kamikaze sometimes and his distribution is dodgy at times. But I'd argue those are the sort of things that are sorted as a whole defensive unit. As in positioning and communication. We let far too many goals in last season and the responsibility for that is all 5 at the back. He still does his fundamental job of making a top save every game. The opinion train for a new GK seems to have gone runaway now. A league one GK will have weaknesses, I've stated belshaw's above. So what is it exactly that people want? A keeper good with his feet? |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Jul 22, 2023 11:27:36 GMT
I would say, maybe 5 goals, which is no worse than the average goalkeeper. He's saved us in far more games than he's cost us. He cost us 4 goals in both games against Exeter. Think people are being a bit lenient on him as he is a fans favorite. Think people are having short memories and are being overly harsh as he is a ball playing sweeper keeper… His performances last season yes cost us a few goals but saved us far more… he had a young, nervous and inexperienced defence in front of him and he was worked more and often having to make up for their mistakes or try to cover for them when they didn’t do the things you’d typically expect them to do or an experienced defender would have done…. |
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Post by curlywurly on Jul 22, 2023 11:30:43 GMT
Second half saw two/three different formations for The Gas which enabled Braga to dominate possession. The home side were composed on the ball, rarely gave the ball away cheaply and were a constant threat with intricate interplay around/in the box. The large number of substitutions disturbed the BRFC attacking fluency. At times it seemed like an attack versus defence training drill. Very few players in the second half made a strong claim to replace the original starting eleven. Braga deserved to win but they did not do so easily. A few aspects of the Braga playing style are worth emulating. Their shielding of the ball, their breaking up of our play with their high press and their corner routines are worth studying. On to Swansea on Tuesday. I'd agree with this. Until the team changed and we brought the kids on, I thought we competed well. Hoping that Jevani Brown's goal is a sign of things to come.
Thought Ryan Jones was good again at left back.
Although we were under the cosh later on, I'd have to applaud Marquis - not only for his general game management in slowing Braga down, but also for his leadership - marshalling the kids around him when needed. I would like to see him and Evans get some more game time with the 'first 60 mins' side.
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Post by kruger on Jul 22, 2023 11:33:00 GMT
Gutted, was just getting set up to watch this one, 10am wtf
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jul 22, 2023 11:35:04 GMT
I would say, maybe 5 goals, which is no worse than the average goalkeeper. He's saved us in far more games than he's cost us. He cost us 4 goals in both games against Exeter. Think people are being a bit lenient on him as he is a fans favorite. Did you go to any games where he played well, or any games where another single player had a bad game? Goalkeepers are entitled to have a bad game occasionally like any other. We just notice it more. |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jul 22, 2023 11:47:02 GMT
He cost us 4 goals in both games against Exeter. Think people are being a bit lenient on him as he is a fans favorite. Did you go to any games where he played well, or any games where another single player had a bad game? Goalkeepers are entitled to have a bad game occasionally like any other. We just notice it more. Every player will have a bad game and yes we notice keepers more so as its the most important position and hardest to play. Yes Belshaw had some good games but in my opinion had more average to poor games and I think the loan of Balcombe shows JB thinks we need a new first choice keeper. |
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Post by Goose on Jul 22, 2023 12:06:49 GMT
I think the problems are
1) the gk is the last line of defense and any so called error leads to a goal, whereas errors by others can be recovered.
2) most teams try to play like man city, but they aren't, so need to accept if they sweeper keeper mistakes WILL happen.
3) Belly's shot stopping had kept us in many many games
4) however if there is a better keeper about I'm not adverse to improvement
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jul 22, 2023 12:40:39 GMT
Any idea who the 2 trialists are? Goncalo Cardoso and Teo Kurtaran Do you have any info/an opinion on these two pirate? (apologies if you've already posted this elsewhere). |
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Post by wallywalters on Jul 22, 2023 12:41:46 GMT
I think the problems are 1) the gk is the last line of defense and any so called error leads to a goal, whereas errors by others can be recovered. 2) most teams try to play like man city, but they aren't, so need to accept if they sweeper keeper mistakes WILL happen. 3) Belly's shot stopping had kept us in many many games 4) however if there is a better keeper about I'm not adverse to improvement The trouble is bellys shot stopping keeping us in games was a myth. At one point 3/4 of the way through last season he was in the bottom 3 goalkeepers in the league for percentage of shots saved. As much as I love belly and appreciate what he did for us in league 2 he simply wasn't up to the required standard last season. He improved when he came back after his small break but if we have aspirations to challenge this season we need an upgrade in that department. He gets beat far too easily from long range shots. |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jul 22, 2023 12:44:32 GMT
Is the Austrian Keeper still in the frame??
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Post by yattongas on Jul 22, 2023 12:46:29 GMT
Is the Austrian Keeper still in the frame?? Nope and never was apparently. ps wading in on the goalkeeper debate , Belshaw isn’t up to standard and I’ve thought this all last season. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 22, 2023 12:46:46 GMT
Apparently Tom Davies it’s currently training with us out in Portugal, still without a club after leaving Everton.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 22, 2023 12:53:29 GMT
Ward defo been an improvement on belshaw this half though. Wish Joe would start with Jed next season 🤔💙utg |
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Post by axegas on Jul 22, 2023 13:01:02 GMT
Is the Austrian Keeper still in the frame?? Nope and never was apparently. ps wading in on the goalkeeper debate , Belshaw isn’t up to standard and I’ve thought this all last season. Agreed. I like Belshaw, but he made some costly mistakes last year and his distribution isn't actually that great for a sweeper keeper either.
We can do better IMO.
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Post by gas2 on Jul 22, 2023 13:07:17 GMT
What was the final score ?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 22, 2023 13:08:27 GMT
Gas lost 3 2
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Post by axegas on Jul 22, 2023 13:08:34 GMT
What was the final score ? 3-2 Braga. |
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Post by pirate on Jul 22, 2023 13:08:44 GMT
Goncalo Cardoso and Teo Kurtaran Do you have any info/an opinion on these two pirate? (apologies if you've already posted this elsewhere). Seen very little so hard to say |
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