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Post by darkbluegas on Aug 11, 2023 12:02:54 GMT
I don’t get how talks on the FM have been going on for years and that the new majority shareholder has been involved in those talks to suddenly get a position where £50m has to unexpectedly be placed on the table? Doesn’t make any sense. Of course there's no recent precedent for that happing with a stadium plan when new owners take over at the club🤔 |
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Post by singupgas on Aug 11, 2023 12:03:09 GMT
If the FM doesn't happen and we are back to same line that was fed after UWE collapse, then people are going to lose patience.
Wael has been here for 6/7 years, would be a bit concerning if we keep walking away from opportunities, it would give the impression that there is no money and also we don't have a clue about getting a Stadium delivered... All of this I am hoping is not the case and we given another positive update very soon.
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 11, 2023 13:01:06 GMT
I don’t get how talks on the FM have been going on for years and that the new majority shareholder has been involved in those talks to suddenly get a position where £50m has to unexpectedly be placed on the table? Doesn’t make any sense. Of course there's no recent precedent for that happing with a stadium plan when new owners take over at the club🤔 Wael assumed they could negotiate a deal with Uwe, which was a mistake. He trusted what he was told by Higgs and Co. This time the old owner is still involved, but has said he needed help to achieve things quicker. Why agree a deal, if he thought things wouldn't progress this time. He could have just sold the club, if he wasn't bothered and taken the easy way out. Looking at your previous posts, it seems like you have always had an agenda against Wael. The type of person that makes out they know everything, but can't reveal their source. Any party with the clubs best interests at heart, wouldn't tell people like you anyway. They would keep things secret until the right time. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Aug 11, 2023 13:20:04 GMT
Of course there's no recent precedent for that happing with a stadium plan when new owners take over at the club🤔 Wael assumed they could negotiate a deal with Uwe, which was a mistake. He trusted what he was told by Higgs and Co. This time the old owner is still involved, but has said he needed help to achieve things quicker. Why agree a deal, if he thought things wouldn't progress this time. He could have just sold the club, if he wasn't bothered and taken the easy way out. Looking at your previous posts, it seems like you have always had an agenda against Wael. The type of person that makes out they know everything, but can't reveal their source. Any party with the clubs best interests at heart, wouldn't tell people like you anyway. They would keep things secret until the right time. " "people like me" blimey that's a wide arching assumption I wonder whom I supposed to be I've absolutely nothing against Wael, not sure where you get that from. He's a top bloke who's really enthusiastic about Rovers. He's made some cock ups along the way but who hasn't. Unfortunately in terms of what's required to take the club to the next stage, he has limitations. Those are in terms of experience and cash. However he's done really well to keep the club afloat during very difficult times. I think it's probably pretty obvious he also knew his time was up when he sold the club The issue with keeping details of the Fruit Market deal quiet is the number of parties involved including a Local Authority. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 11, 2023 13:59:13 GMT
Sounds like Hussain has had to break the bad news to Wael that he's got two Hopes of raising the finance for the Fruit Bat Arena and one of those is Bob Hope The other may be Hussain Hope, you just never know |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Aug 11, 2023 14:15:38 GMT
Wael assumed they could negotiate a deal with Uwe, which was a mistake. He trusted what he was told by Higgs and Co. This time the old owner is still involved, but has said he needed help to achieve things quicker. Why agree a deal, if he thought things wouldn't progress this time. He could have just sold the club, if he wasn't bothered and taken the easy way out. Looking at your previous posts, it seems like you have always had an agenda against Wael. The type of person that makes out they know everything, but can't reveal their source. Any party with the clubs best interests at heart, wouldn't tell people like you anyway. They would keep things secret until the right time. " "people like me" blimey that's a wide arching assumption I wonder whom I supposed to be I've absolutely nothing against Wael, not sure where you get that from. He's a top bloke who's really enthusiastic about Rovers. He's made some cock ups along the way but who hasn't. Unfortunately in terms of what's required to take the club to the next stage, he has limitations. Those are in terms of experience and cash. However he's done really well to keep the club afloat during very difficult times. I think it's probably pretty obvious he also knew his time was up when he sold the club The issue with keeping details of the Fruit Market deal quiet is the number of parties involved including a Local Authority. You're going to have to help me out here Are you saying that the new guy (who we have been told has been party to all negotiations regarding the new ground) has purchased 55% of the club knowing that the new ground isn't happening whilst the club have still been merrily posting videos showing the fruit market site ? |
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Post by darkbluegas on Aug 11, 2023 14:17:13 GMT
" "people like me" blimey that's a wide arching assumption I wonder whom I supposed to be I've absolutely nothing against Wael, not sure where you get that from. He's a top bloke who's really enthusiastic about Rovers. He's made some cock ups along the way but who hasn't. Unfortunately in terms of what's required to take the club to the next stage, he has limitations. Those are in terms of experience and cash. However he's done really well to keep the club afloat during very difficult times. I think it's probably pretty obvious he also knew his time was up when he sold the club The issue with keeping details of the Fruit Market deal quiet is the number of parties involved including a Local Authority. You're going to have to help me out here Are you saying that the new guy (who we have been told has been party to all negotiations regarding the new ground) has purchased 55% of the club knowing that the new ground isn't happening whilst the club have still been merrily posting videos showing the fruit market site ? Seems like it |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 11, 2023 14:24:09 GMT
Wael assumed they could negotiate a deal with Uwe, which was a mistake. He trusted what he was told by Higgs and Co. This time the old owner is still involved, but has said he needed help to achieve things quicker. Why agree a deal, if he thought things wouldn't progress this time. He could have just sold the club, if he wasn't bothered and taken the easy way out. Looking at your previous posts, it seems like you have always had an agenda against Wael. The type of person that makes out they know everything, but can't reveal their source. Any party with the clubs best interests at heart, wouldn't tell people like you anyway. They would keep things secret until the right time. " "people like me" blimey that's a wide arching assumption I wonder whom I supposed to be I've absolutely nothing against Wael, not sure where you get that from. He's a top bloke who's really enthusiastic about Rovers. He's made some cock ups along the way but who hasn't. Unfortunately in terms of what's required to take the club to the next stage, he has limitations. Those are in terms of experience and cash. However he's done really well to keep the club afloat during very difficult times. I think it's probably pretty obvious he also knew his time was up when he sold the club The issue with keeping details of the Fruit Market deal quiet is the number of parties involved including a Local Authority. Your expect us to believe that at this meeting the new owner said he had no money to build it 😂. Not everyone is at these meetings anyway and most of the talks go through solicitors. That's why they take years. They don't ask sit around the table at the same time and tell their guts to everyone. People like you, meaning people that need attention and post stuff like this. It could be your source and not you. But you are the one posting it. Similar people were saying it was dead years ago, but went quite when it was announced that talks were still ongoing. The new owner has been here no time at all, yet he's already announced we have no chance. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 11, 2023 14:32:18 GMT
You're going to have to help me out here Are you saying that the new guy (who we have been told has been party to all negotiations regarding the new ground) has purchased 55% of the club knowing that the new ground isn't happening whilst the club have still been merrily posting videos showing the fruit market site ? Seems like it You posted to say your source new the fruit market was dead 2 years ago, but the club were stringing us along. Since then Conygar and the council have acknowledged that we are part of the discussions. So your source was wrong. Is this the same source?? It looks like your source, does not know what they are talking about and not involved in a lot of the discussions. They were wrong last time, what makes you think they know more now? They could be reading this laughing at you. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Aug 11, 2023 14:50:43 GMT
You posted to say your source new the fruit market was dead 2 years ago, but the club were stringing us along. Since then Conygar and the council have acknowledged that we are part of the discussions. So your source was wrong. Is this the same source?? It looks like your source, does not know what they are talking about and not involved in a lot of the discussions. They were wrong last time, what makes you think they know more now? They could be reading this laughing at you. Gosh someone's upset If you read my posts regarding the FM, probably about 3 years ago I was led to believe that the deal had floundered on the valuation of the Mem. The developers believed Waels father wanted cash back and a deal was to be done cheaply to buy the Mem. Once Wael was left in sole charge that was no longer the case Conydar have all along been talking to us and anyone else who has a plan as no one has made any firm commitments to do anything yet. They are just looking to turn a profit on a development ita no odds to them who they partner with as long as the can show proof of financial commitment. Conygar will quite happily chat to us until someone puts pen to paper to seal a deal. It would seem though that is unlikely to be us I did say when Sam Frost claimed the deal was back on that I knew nothing about that and was hopeful someone had come up with the investment needed to get it done. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 11, 2023 15:23:05 GMT
You posted to say your source new the fruit market was dead 2 years ago, but the club were stringing us along. Since then Conygar and the council have acknowledged that we are part of the discussions. So your source was wrong. Is this the same source?? It looks like your source, does not know what they are talking about and not involved in a lot of the discussions. They were wrong last time, what makes you think they know more now? They could be reading this laughing at you. Gosh someone's upset If you read my posts regarding the FM, probably about 3 years ago I was led to believe that the deal had floundered on the valuation of the Mem. The developers believed Waels father wanted cash back and a deal was to be done cheaply to buy the Mem. Once Wael was left in sole charge that was no longer the case Conydar have all along been talking to us and anyone else who has a plan as no one has made any firm commitments to do anything yet. They are just looking to turn a profit on a development ita no odds to them who they partner with as long as the can show proof of financial commitment. Conygar will quite happily chat to us until someone puts pen to paper to seal a deal. It would seem though that is unlikely to be us I did say when Sam Frost claimed the deal was back on that I knew nothing about that and was hopeful someone had come up with the investment needed to get it done. You said the deal was dead. |
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Post by DrFaustus on Aug 11, 2023 15:39:22 GMT
darkbluegas are you able to tell us how you're so sure of the information you're sharing please? Not after a row, just intrigued. Thank you and UTFG 🏴☠️
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Post by alanrg on Aug 11, 2023 15:44:18 GMT
So darkbluegas is right all the time let’s hear what the new owner has to say so many people on this forum are in the know Jesus wept
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Post by yattongas on Aug 11, 2023 15:44:50 GMT
Care to expand on that statement? [br Not really other than to say no one is currently coming up with the £50 million required by the developers. The developers have numerous other options and our involvement is pure fantasy. Hussain however is spending money on the football side of things and that's about it. Might just be a case of our lot saying no to £50m and we’re only prepared to pay £40m . Until that figure is agreed there’s no deal . |
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Post by darkbluegas on Aug 11, 2023 16:02:22 GMT
[br Not really other than to say no one is currently coming up with the £50 million required by the developers. The developers have numerous other options and our involvement is pure fantasy. Hussain however is spending money on the football side of things and that's about it. Might just be a case of our lot saying no to £50m and we’re only prepared to pay £40m . Until that figure is agreed there’s no deal . Good shout, as soon as we've got £40 million we'll be off and running. 🤣 |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 11, 2023 16:32:20 GMT
Might just be a case of our lot saying no to £50m and we’re only prepared to pay £40m . Until that figure is agreed there’s no deal . Good shout, as soon as we've got £40 million we'll be off and running. 🤣 I can Chuck in £50 if you cover the rest ? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 11, 2023 17:05:43 GMT
Of course there's no recent precedent for that happing with a stadium plan when new owners take over at the club🤔 Wael assumed they could negotiate a deal with Uwe, which was a mistake. He trusted what he was told by Higgs and Co. This time the old owner is still involved, but has said he needed help to achieve things quicker. Why agree a deal, if he thought things wouldn't progress this time. He could have just sold the club, if he wasn't bothered and taken the easy way out. Looking at your previous posts, it seems like you have always had an agenda against Wael. The type of person that makes out they know everything, but can't reveal their source. Any party with the clubs best interests at heart, wouldn't tell people like you anyway. They would keep things secret until the right time. Hasn't Wael done that, just sold the club, or at least a majority share in it? It would be fairly easy for the new owners to now say they've looked into the deal with Congyer but can't see it's viable for the club, and just like you seem to like blaming NH for the UWE deal collapsing, could just blame Wael. If we're within touching distance of agreeing a deal for the FM then why would Wael sell a majority share in the club to a Sweet Factory owner who doesn't seem to like any publicity, when he's done all the ground work to get us this far? |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 11, 2023 17:22:45 GMT
Wael assumed they could negotiate a deal with Uwe, which was a mistake. He trusted what he was told by Higgs and Co. This time the old owner is still involved, but has said he needed help to achieve things quicker. Why agree a deal, if he thought things wouldn't progress this time. He could have just sold the club, if he wasn't bothered and taken the easy way out. Looking at your previous posts, it seems like you have always had an agenda against Wael. The type of person that makes out they know everything, but can't reveal their source. Any party with the clubs best interests at heart, wouldn't tell people like you anyway. They would keep things secret until the right time. Hasn't Wael done that, just sold the club, or at least a majority share in it? It would be fairly easy for the new owners to now say they've looked into the deal with Congyer but can't see it's viable for the club, and just like you seem to like blaming NH for the UWE deal collapsing, could just blame Wael. If we're within touching distance of agreeing a deal for the FM then why would Wael sell a majority share in the club to a Sweet Factory owner who doesn't seem to like any publicity, when he's done all the ground work to get us this far? Wael said he was in talks for ages, so you have hoped he made sure that they were on the same page. It seems kind Higgs and Wael had nothing to do with each other, once the sale had gone through. Wael is still working with and attending games with the new owner. Obviously, we won't know for sure. The original poster said he knew the stadium was dead, then disappeared after they announced we were still in talks. He's now returned after the takeover. He could turn out to be right, but a broken clock is twice a day. That's does not mean that he was in the know though. Most of us are saying we won't believe it until we are sat in it. So any of us could make out we know it's dead. Then if it turns out it is dead, like it normally is with us, say I told you so. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Aug 11, 2023 17:29:53 GMT
Luton have been promoted to the Prem with a terrible low capacity stadium.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 11, 2023 17:35:37 GMT
Luton have been promoted to the Prem with a terrible low capacity stadium. But they've got plans to move to a new stadium, interestingly it looks to be in the middle of nowhere, a bit like the Uwe would have been! |
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