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Post by drawnandquartered on Aug 29, 2023 8:11:38 GMT
When it all clicks, and it will be soon, we are going to be supersonic! The way we played against Barnsley and Charlton, with determination and pace, was, to me , thrilling! There were flashes of that same brilliance in the early stages of the Wycombe game, some lovely intricate passes between Sinclair and ward I think to create a chance for Collins or brown. When it all connects we will go on a run, both home and away, the like of which has never been seen. Mods ,have a word, contravening Gaschat rule 1 (thou shall not post anything positive) is just not on! ha! We’re still waiting for our seats in the new stand so on Saturday they gave us seats in the poplar, all three of our kids thought we’d been sat in with the Wycombe fans because of how everyone was chatting about the rovers! |
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Post by bambergashead on Aug 29, 2023 9:46:49 GMT
The record at home since January is as follows W2 D4 L7 It looks far worse since New Years Day as it is W1 D4 L7. Bet Lincoln can't wait for Saturday after last season. Still, it'll be interesting to see when we eventually win at home again... [playing devil's advocate here] |
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Post by Rovers 12th Man on Aug 29, 2023 10:01:52 GMT
The record at home since January is as follows W2 D4 L7 It looks far worse since New Years Day as it is W1 D4 L7. Bet Lincoln can't wait for Saturday after last season. Still, it'll be interesting to see when we eventually win at home again... [playing devil's advocate here] At least it won't be a centre back partnership of Hoole and Whelan this time... |
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Post by percy on Aug 29, 2023 10:14:03 GMT
It looks far worse since New Years Day as it is W1 D4 L7. Bet Lincoln can't wait for Saturday after last season. Still, it'll be interesting to see when we eventually win at home again... [playing devil's advocate here] At least it won't be a centre back partnership of Hoole and Whelan this time... still gives me nightmares |
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Post by socrates on Aug 29, 2023 10:55:42 GMT
I agree with the general concept that our play from the back, pull them out and then attack them is costing us at home. We are really poor at breaking teams down. Last year I remember it being SO hard to get a shot on goal due to the way we play. Loads of possession but there’s always 3 of their players blocking shots. I am no football man but it does appear we need to have another way of playing. It seems Barton has his style and that’s that. I’m wondering whether he’s trying to play premiership tactics with league 1 players. We just don’t have the strikers who will score given 2 chances. A lot of teams in this league win matches by accumulating crosses, and percentages suggest one will go in. Rest assured, Joey isn’t a fool and he will be thinking about this. He may actually be getting there now. I say if we played that game on sat 10 times we win it 7 times. It was only a flukey header and a breakaway from an obvious foul, and a denied penalty that stopped us. When this style clicks I think we will be unstoppable as it really is the modern, effective style of football which will work up the leagues. “Get it in the mixer” teams like Wycombe and Portsmouth would get mullered in the champ. Plymouth played a similar way to us, out from the back, as I recall. Thing is there’s no way we’ll get to the championship playing tika taka. It’s horses for courses isn’t it, if and when we get there it might work but in league 1 it doesn’t. I think we’d finish around mid table playing that way with this squad but if we want promotion then we need to move the ball quicker and the forwards / mids need to move more and look for the more direct passes / through balls. It doesn’t have to be Coughlan ball or 400 passes across our back line there are other ways. |
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 29, 2023 13:02:51 GMT
Amazing how a couple of defeats drags out the same old posters who will never change. As others have said the only season that is important is the current one. The rest are history.Get behind the team, the Manager and the players and lets see where JB takes us. A damn site further than any of our other Managers in the last 20 years would have taken us.If he's that good what's he been doing since December/January just having a well earned rest? I sense because JB talks the talks poster thinks he's a far better manager than the actual results show. There's no real evidence he can get Rovers any higher up than mid table, even if most of us hope he can. It's pretty clear he didn't learn anything from the Cambridge game and Matt Bloomfield said as much in his post match interview, we're now doing the opposite of what we did under GC, we're now playing attractive losing football. It's now looking like JB's convinced the owners they have to break our transfer record to sign a striker, JB's been backed like no other manager in recent years it's about time he starts repaying that support. |
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 29, 2023 13:34:45 GMT
Topper Gas,
Come on you are not an idiot. Every year a Manager has a task to achieve and other than keeping us up in his first couple of months (which would have taken a miracle with no window to change things and one of the worse squads I have seen in 60 years) JB has achieved his target. He took us up in his first full season and did what he said he would do after a slaughter away at Exeter. In his second full season and the first in League 1 he kept us up with ease and then where you asked what he did December/January probably the same as every other Manager to work out what is missing and how to reach the target he has clearly set himself in the next two seasons which is Championship football.
After the Exeter defeat there was no real evidence as you say that he could take us up but he did. You are now saying after 5 games that there is no evidence that he can achieve anything above mid table. I said you obviously werent an idiot but I would question that with you accessing a season after 5 games!
I would suggest furthermore that every Manager has tried to convince the Board and owner to break a transfer record that despite inflation has stayed for over 30 years! I am not convinced he will break it this season however it is clear to most fans that a good centre forward is needed to push even for top ten let alone the Play offs.
Come back say after 30 games and see whether there are any signs that JB either will or wont make his target. I would say that signs are clearly there in the first five games that we could have a good season and two poorer performances in the last two games should not be taken out of context. What they do prove is that JB is right to be chasing a centre forward before the deadline. It remains to be seen if he is going to be successful but based on his transfer dealings so far I would not discount it.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 29, 2023 14:33:17 GMT
Topper Gas, Come on you are not an idiot. Every year a Manager has a task to achieve and other than keeping us up in his first couple of months (which would have taken a miracle with no window to change things and one of the worse squads I have seen in 60 years) JB has achieved his target. He took us up in his first full season and did what he said he would do after a slaughter away at Exeter. In his second full season and the first in League 1 he kept us up with ease and then where you asked what he did December/January probably the same as every other Manager to work out what is missing and how to reach the target he has clearly set himself in the next two seasons which is Championship football. After the Exeter defeat there was no real evidence as you say that he could take us up but he did. You are now saying after 5 games that there is no evidence that he can achieve anything above mid table. I said you obviously werent an idiot but I would question that with you accessing a season after 5 games! I would suggest furthermore that every Manager has tried to convince the Board and owner to break a transfer record that despite inflation has stayed for over 30 years! I am not convinced he will break it this season however it is clear to most fans that a good centre forward is needed to push even for top ten let alone the Play offs. Come back say after 30 games and see whether there are any signs that JB either will or wont make his target. I would say that signs are clearly there in the first five games that we could have a good season and two poorer performances in the last two games should not be taken out of context. What they do prove is that JB is right to be chasing a centre forward before the deadline. It remains to be seen if he is going to be successful but based on his transfer dealings so far I would not discount it. Do you think that one home win since New Year’s Day is acceptable at any level of football? It’s not negativity, it’s statistics. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2023 20:30:42 GMT
Topper Gas, Come on you are not an idiot. Every year a Manager has a task to achieve and other than keeping us up in his first couple of months (which would have taken a miracle with no window to change things and one of the worse squads I have seen in 60 years) JB has achieved his target. He took us up in his first full season and did what he said he would do after a slaughter away at Exeter. In his second full season and the first in League 1 he kept us up with ease and then where you asked what he did December/January probably the same as every other Manager to work out what is missing and how to reach the target he has clearly set himself in the next two seasons which is Championship football. After the Exeter defeat there was no real evidence as you say that he could take us up but he did. You are now saying after 5 games that there is no evidence that he can achieve anything above mid table. I said you obviously werent an idiot but I would question that with you accessing a season after 5 games! I would suggest furthermore that every Manager has tried to convince the Board and owner to break a transfer record that despite inflation has stayed for over 30 years! I am not convinced he will break it this season however it is clear to most fans that a good centre forward is needed to push even for top ten let alone the Play offs. Come back say after 30 games and see whether there are any signs that JB either will or wont make his target. I would say that signs are clearly there in the first five games that we could have a good season and two poorer performances in the last two games should not be taken out of context. What they do prove is that JB is right to be chasing a centre forward before the deadline. It remains to be seen if he is going to be successful but based on his transfer dealings so far I would not discount it. If JB doesn't sign a proven goalscorer this week I'm fairly confident that the best we can achieve this season under JB is mid table, as we don't have a goal scorer. I assume that's why he's trying to push through the signing of JCH in order to save his own career. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 30, 2023 5:22:13 GMT
Is this 25 goal striker the be all and end all of everything though? sometimes perhaps it's better not to have all your eggs in one basket. Take the outstanding team in the division last season, Plymouth, no star striker but several chipping in with league goals ,a 13.12.10,9.8. and so on , i could see players in our squad doing like wise, Marquis, Sinclair, Evans, a firing Collins etc all capable of reaching those kind of figures, not arguing just putting it out there for debate!
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Post by percy on Aug 30, 2023 6:18:39 GMT
Is this 25 goal striker the be all and end all of everything though? sometimes perhaps it's better not to have all your eggs in one basket. Take the outstanding team in the division last season, Plymouth, no star striker but several chipping in with league goals ,a 13.12.10,9.8. and so on , i could see players in our squad doing like wise, Marquis, Sinclair, Evans, a firing Collins etc all capable of reaching those kind of figures, not arguing just putting it out there for debate! This is exactly what I was hoping for. So just maybe a Loft to Coburn type upgrade. Unfortunately only Sinclair seems capable of scoring and most arent even shooting yet! |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 30, 2023 6:31:39 GMT
Is this 25 goal striker the be all and end all of everything though? sometimes perhaps it's better not to have all your eggs in one basket. Take the outstanding team in the division last season, Plymouth, no star striker but several chipping in with league goals ,a 13.12.10,9.8. and so on , i could see players in our squad doing like wise, Marquis, Sinclair, Evans, a firing Collins etc all capable of reaching those kind of figures, not arguing just putting it out there for debate! This is exactly what I was hoping for. So just maybe a Loft to Coburn type upgrade. Unfortunately only Sinclair seems capable of scoring and most arent even shooting yet! Yep it's frustrating! think Big John is a good finisher and will bag a clutch once he gets that first one, we Know Evans can score from anywhere, and sincs will chip in, Collins confidence is shot to bits at the moment and it's the job of JB and co to get these guys firing again, time to earn their money! |
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Aug 30, 2023 10:43:49 GMT
Topper Gas, Come on you are not an idiot. Every year a Manager has a task to achieve and other than keeping us up in his first couple of months (which would have taken a miracle with no window to change things and one of the worse squads I have seen in 60 years) JB has achieved his target. He took us up in his first full season and did what he said he would do after a slaughter away at Exeter. In his second full season and the first in League 1 he kept us up with ease and then where you asked what he did December/January probably the same as every other Manager to work out what is missing and how to reach the target he has clearly set himself in the next two seasons which is Championship football. After the Exeter defeat there was no real evidence as you say that he could take us up but he did. You are now saying after 5 games that there is no evidence that he can achieve anything above mid table. I said you obviously werent an idiot but I would question that with you accessing a season after 5 games! I would suggest furthermore that every Manager has tried to convince the Board and owner to break a transfer record that despite inflation has stayed for over 30 years! I am not convinced he will break it this season however it is clear to most fans that a good centre forward is needed to push even for top ten let alone the Play offs. Come back say after 30 games and see whether there are any signs that JB either will or wont make his target. I would say that signs are clearly there in the first five games that we could have a good season and two poorer performances in the last two games should not be taken out of context. What they do prove is that JB is right to be chasing a centre forward before the deadline. It remains to be seen if he is going to be successful but based on his transfer dealings so far I would not discount it. Do you think that one home win since New Year’s Day is acceptable at any level of football? It’s not negativity, it’s statistics. The reason we've struggled to win is defensive frailty, which has made us defend deeper than we'd like. The January window wasn't good enough admittedly, but you'd struggle to justify making the same judgement about this one. I think it's fair to say that you shouldn't judge his performance after just 5 games when we've made 12 signings. It'll take at least that to make any conclusions. |
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 30, 2023 11:52:30 GMT
Topper Gas, Come on you are not an idiot. Every year a Manager has a task to achieve and other than keeping us up in his first couple of months (which would have taken a miracle with no window to change things and one of the worse squads I have seen in 60 years) JB has achieved his target. He took us up in his first full season and did what he said he would do after a slaughter away at Exeter. In his second full season and the first in League 1 he kept us up with ease and then where you asked what he did December/January probably the same as every other Manager to work out what is missing and how to reach the target he has clearly set himself in the next two seasons which is Championship football. After the Exeter defeat there was no real evidence as you say that he could take us up but he did. You are now saying after 5 games that there is no evidence that he can achieve anything above mid table. I said you obviously werent an idiot but I would question that with you accessing a season after 5 games! I would suggest furthermore that every Manager has tried to convince the Board and owner to break a transfer record that despite inflation has stayed for over 30 years! I am not convinced he will break it this season however it is clear to most fans that a good centre forward is needed to push even for top ten let alone the Play offs. Come back say after 30 games and see whether there are any signs that JB either will or wont make his target. I would say that signs are clearly there in the first five games that we could have a good season and two poorer performances in the last two games should not be taken out of context. What they do prove is that JB is right to be chasing a centre forward before the deadline. It remains to be seen if he is going to be successful but based on his transfer dealings so far I would not discount it. If JB doesn't sign a proven goalscorer this week I'm fairly confident that the best we can achieve this season under JB is mid table, as we don't have a goal scorer. I assume that's why he's trying to push through the signing of JCH in order to save his own career. Topper Gas , You know that JB was always going to try to get a centre forward in from the moment it was clear that Coburn was not going to come back. If he can get JCH that will be a sensational signing and no reason why we shouldnt make the play offs with all the other signings. I think they will try to push JCH through before the last day if there is any truth in it but if it goes to the last day i am sure somebody else will be brought in. I still believe this squad is good enough to get a top ten. |
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Post by cheltenhamgas on Aug 31, 2023 20:08:58 GMT
I agree with the general concept that our play from the back, pull them out and then attack them is costing us at home. We are really poor at breaking teams down. Last year I remember it being SO hard to get a shot on goal due to the way we play. Loads of possession but there’s always 3 of their players blocking shots. I am no football man but it does appear we need to have another way of playing. It seems Barton has his style and that’s that. I’m wondering whether he’s trying to play premiership tactics with league 1 players. We just don’t have the strikers who will score given 2 chances. A lot of teams in this league win matches by accumulating crosses, and percentages suggest one will go in. Rest assured, Joey isn’t a fool and he will be thinking about this. He may actually be getting there now. I say if we played that game on sat 10 times we win it 7 times. It was only a flukey header and a breakaway from an obvious foul, and a denied penalty that stopped us. When this style clicks I think we will be unstoppable as it really is the modern, effective style of football which will work up the leagues. “Get it in the mixer” teams like Wycombe and Portsmouth would get mullered in the champ. Plymouth played a similar way to us, out from the back, as I recall. Thing is there’s no way we’ll get to the championship playing tika taka. It’s horses for courses isn’t it, if and when we get there it might work but in league 1 it doesn’t. I think we’d finish around mid table playing that way with this squad but if we want promotion then we need to move the ball quicker and the forwards / mids need to move more and look for the more direct passes / through balls. It doesn’t have to be Coughlan ball or 400 passes across our back line there are other ways. Deffo agree. 10 goals in 14 games at home since new years day . Possession ... massive. Shots on target poor. Consistency in team selection would help along with more structured , attacking football. Passes along our back line doesn't score goals , is dull and invites the press. Could get JCH but without the ball, he won't score either. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 31, 2023 20:19:00 GMT
If JB doesn't sign a proven goalscorer this week I'm fairly confident that the best we can achieve this season under JB is mid table, as we don't have a goal scorer. I assume that's why he's trying to push through the signing of JCH in order to save his own career. Topper Gas , You know that JB was always going to try to get a centre forward in from the moment it was clear that Coburn was not going to come back. If he can get JCH that will be a sensational signing and no reason why we shouldnt make the play offs with all the other signings. I think they will try to push JCH through before the last day if there is any truth in it but if it goes to the last day i am sure somebody else will be brought in. I still believe this squad is good enough to get a top ten. There's no way this squad will finish in the top 10 w/o a new striker. If we don't sign one you do have to question why JB spent £300K(?) or CT when it sees he's now only considered just back up for Wilson. It's really time one of the owners stood up to JB and told him to stop wasting £100K's on youngsters, Loft, Connelly, McM & CT, for the future, when it's the here and now which matters. |
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