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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 2, 2023 16:10:10 GMT
Can anybody tell us why Mr Sams departed as club secretary? I knew his name, although never had any dealings with him - seemed like he just got on and did his job in the background, with no fuss or c*ck ups. It was never disclosed but given he left pretty quickly perhaps there were issues which, rightly, will never be disclosed in public? As far as JCH is concerned do Club Secretary's really have any involvement in transfers, as I thought we had a recruitment team dealing with that? I think that a club secretary would normally be responsible for the paperwork/administration elelment. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 2, 2023 16:13:14 GMT
It was never disclosed but given he left pretty quickly perhaps there were issues which, rightly, will never be disclosed in public? As far as JCH is concerned do Club Secretary's really have any involvement in transfers, as I thought we had a recruitment team dealing with that? I think that a club secretary would normally be responsible for the paperwork/administration elelment. Agreed but does that involved contract negotiations or just filing the contracts in the correct folder once they've been agreed? You sense in the past it was TG who was heavily involved in contract negotiations. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 2, 2023 16:22:49 GMT
I think that a club secretary would normally be responsible for the paperwork/administration elelment. Agreed but does that involved contract negotiations or just filing the contracts in the correct folder once they've been agreed? You sense in the past it was TG who was heavily involved in contract negotiations. I'd be rather worried if the club secretary was leading contract negotiations! |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 2, 2023 20:58:03 GMT
Do we even have a secretary? We once had a good one but let him go, his young successor left because he was a naughty boy. It’s such an important but under appreciated role. Will we find out if this played a part in the JCH deal failing? I doubt BRFC will provide an explanation so love him or loathe him McAnthony is probably our only hope of finding out what happened!! Blimey eric! That’s a bit of a stretch expecting DMac to tell us what happened. He may tell us what he wants to tell us but I doubt it will be anywhere near what really happened. 🤔 UTG! |
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Post by Goose on Sept 2, 2023 20:59:59 GMT
Do we even have a secretary? We once had a good one but let him go, his young successor left because he was a naughty boy. It’s such an important but under appreciated role. Will we find out if this played a part in the JCH deal failing? I doubt BRFC will provide an explanation so love him or loathe him McAnthony is probably our only hope of finding out what happened!! Blimey eric! That’s a bit of a stretch expecting DMac to tell us what happened. He may tell us what he wants to tell us but I doubt it will be anywhere near what really happened. 🤔 UTG! I'm sure if we were completely at fault, he would have been all over X trekking everyone about it.... As he hasn't I suggest they are culpable |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 2, 2023 21:10:51 GMT
Blimey eric! That’s a bit of a stretch expecting DMac to tell us what happened. He may tell us what he wants to tell us but I doubt it will be anywhere near what really happened. 🤔 UTG! I'm sure if we were completely at fault, he would have been all over X trekking everyone about it.... As he hasn't I suggest they are culpable Yes, I think that’s nearer the truth. I guess once the dust has settled everyone will have to take a share of the responsibility for this not happening. Blimey this transfer window has been open for more or less 3 months why leave it all until the last minute? UTG! |
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Post by hippo on Sept 3, 2023 8:53:18 GMT
Isn’t the Secretary role an outsourced position these days?
Plenty of smaller PLCs do this.
If so, I don’t think they would be at the mem to take care of contracts - surely Gorringe would take look after that?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 3, 2023 10:17:51 GMT
Can anybody tell us why Mr Sams departed as club secretary? I knew his name, although never had any dealings with him - seemed like he just got on and did his job in the background, with no fuss or c*ck ups. Now there's a question......🤔 I like it! Don't stop there TT, some other loyal, long serving key members of staff have "departed" only for subsequent substandard replacements... |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 3, 2023 10:19:44 GMT
It was never disclosed but given he left pretty quickly perhaps there were issues which, rightly, will never be disclosed in public? As far as JCH is concerned do Club Secretary's really have any involvement in transfers, as I thought we had a recruitment team dealing with that? I think that a club secretary would normally be responsible for the paperwork/administration elelment. Perhaps they were too slow with the typewriter? Or trying to find some Tippex at 10.50pm on a Fri night...? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 3, 2023 10:31:26 GMT
Isn’t the Secretary role an outsourced position these days? Plenty of smaller PLCs do this. If so, I don’t think they would be at the mem to take care of contracts - surely Gorringe would take look after that? I'd imagine a football club CS is a fairly specialist role. |
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Post by cheamgas on Sept 3, 2023 10:57:06 GMT
Isn’t the Secretary role an outsourced position these days? Plenty of smaller PLCs do this. If so, I don’t think they would be at the mem to take care of contracts - surely Gorringe would take look after that? You are confusing a Football Secretary and a Company Secretary. Yes small companies do often outsource the Company Secretary role and Rovers do outsource this role to their solicitors. What we are talking about here is a Football Secretary whose job is to ensure that the club follows all of the numerous football league regulations. As has been mentioned elsewhere the Rovers have parted ways with the employees doing that specialist role and it is rumoured that currently a HR person is trying to cover the role. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 3, 2023 11:06:27 GMT
Can anybody tell us why Mr Sams departed as club secretary? I knew his name, although never had any dealings with him - seemed like he just got on and did his job in the background, with no fuss or c*ck ups. Now there's a question......🤔 I like it! Don't stop there TT, some other loyal, long serving key members of staff have "departed" only for subsequent substandard replacements... The other recent one I know of is Iain P, on the catering side. He cited "difference of opinion", which would suggest that the catering manager was restricted in the decisions he could make, sounds like employing an expert in his field and then over ruling him. I believe there have been a couple of other comings and goings in this role since Iain left. |
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Post by gasify on Sept 3, 2023 11:12:54 GMT
At the end of the day, none of us have any idea why the deal failed at this point. Did Rovers f**k something up? Very possibly. BUT.... - Could be JCH's agent believed he had us over a barrel and requested more agent fees right before the deadline and we refused to budge - Could be JCH himself believed he had us over a barrel and requested more wages right before the deadline and we refused to budge - Could be he failed his medical or, at the very least, something warranted further checks that we didn't have time for at the 11th hour, and so we felt we had no choice but to pull the plug - Could be DMacc decided to raise the price at the very, very end, expecting us to grudgingly agree and we understandably refused The reality is that at this point we have no idea. And as such, we should probably refrain from mud slinging until we know more. Ultimately the longer Rovers stay silent, the more likely it is that we f**ked something up. If we didn't, I'm sure we'll hear about it... This hasn't aged well, has it. We didn't pull the plug, not consciously. We submitted the paperwork. It was rejected. WE SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK, IT GOT REJECTED. That is what Rovers themselves have said. The interesting thing is that we haven't said why it was rejected. We are all assuming that it was a timing issue. |
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Post by RD on Sept 3, 2023 11:19:33 GMT
At the end of the day, none of us have any idea why the deal failed at this point. Did Rovers f**k something up? Very possibly. BUT.... - Could be JCH's agent believed he had us over a barrel and requested more agent fees right before the deadline and we refused to budge - Could be JCH himself believed he had us over a barrel and requested more wages right before the deadline and we refused to budge - Could be he failed his medical or, at the very least, something warranted further checks that we didn't have time for at the 11th hour, and so we felt we had no choice but to pull the plug - Could be DMacc decided to raise the price at the very, very end, expecting us to grudgingly agree and we understandably refused The reality is that at this point we have no idea. And as such, we should probably refrain from mud slinging until we know more. Ultimately the longer Rovers stay silent, the more likely it is that we f**ked something up. If we didn't, I'm sure we'll hear about it... This hasn't aged well, has it. We didn't pull the plug, not consciously. We submitted the paperwork. It was rejected. WE SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK, IT GOT REJECTED. That is what Rovers themselves have said. The interesting thing is that we haven't said why it was rejected. We are all assuming that it was a timing issue. Eh?? It's aged brilliantly. Posh version is they were sorted their end by 9ish - fine; agreed. To them, we must have therefore fked it up. But what they aren't privy to is that at the last minute , JCHs agent tried to pull a fast one - exactly as I guessed above. Hence Posh ARE telling the truth. But they can tell the truth and our statement can still be true for that reason. We've probably not thrown JCH and his agent under the bus, just incase we still want to do a deal at a later date. The assumption is we caved - as inevitably we do appear to have tried submitting the paperwork -so it's fair to assume we would have wanted him still, despite the last minute screw over. So not really sure what you're on about "not aging well" - think it's bang on the money and a superb shout. |
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Post by gasify on Sept 3, 2023 11:23:02 GMT
This hasn't aged well, has it. We didn't pull the plug, not consciously. We submitted the paperwork. It was rejected. WE SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK, IT GOT REJECTED. That is what Rovers themselves have said. The interesting thing is that we haven't said why it was rejected. We are all assuming that it was a timing issue. Eh?? It's aged brilliantly. Posh version is they were sorted their end by 9ish - fine; agreed. To them, we must have therefore fked it up. But what they aren't privy to is that at the last minute , JCHs agent tried to pull a fast one - exactly as I guessed above. Hence Posh ARE telling the truth. But they can tell the truth and our statement can still be true for that reason. We've probably not thrown JCH and his agent under the bus, just incase we still want to do a deal at a later date. The assumption is we caved - as inevitably we do appear to have tried submitting the paperwork -so it's fair to assume we would have wanted him still, despite the last minute screw over. So not really sure what you're on about "not aging well" - think it's bang on the money and a superb shout. I don't think it has. Your post is reading that we pulled the plug. How can you say we pulled the plug when we actually submitted the paperwork. Our own club has confirmed we submitted the paperwork. So there is no chance we pulled the plug. |
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Post by gasify on Sept 3, 2023 11:25:28 GMT
This hasn't aged well, has it. We didn't pull the plug, not consciously. We submitted the paperwork. It was rejected. WE SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK, IT GOT REJECTED. That is what Rovers themselves have said. The interesting thing is that we haven't said why it was rejected. We are all assuming that it was a timing issue. Eh?? It's aged brilliantly. Posh version is they were sorted their end by 9ish - fine; agreed. To them, we must have therefore fked it up. But what they aren't privy to is that at the last minute , JCHs agent tried to pull a fast one - exactly as I guessed above. Hence Posh ARE telling the truth. But they can tell the truth and our statement can still be true for that reason. We've probably not thrown JCH and his agent under the bus, just incase we still want to do a deal at a later date. The assumption is we caved - as inevitably we do appear to have tried submitting the paperwork -so it's fair to assume we would have wanted him still, despite the last minute screw over. So not really sure what you're on about "not aging well" - think it's bang on the money and a superb shout.I haven't heard such self centered promotion since the last time Tom Gorringe did an interview. Oh, hang on... Is that you Tom? |
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Post by RD on Sept 3, 2023 11:26:40 GMT
Eh?? It's aged brilliantly. Posh version is they were sorted their end by 9ish - fine; agreed. To them, we must have therefore fked it up. But what they aren't privy to is that at the last minute , JCHs agent tried to pull a fast one - exactly as I guessed above. Hence Posh ARE telling the truth. But they can tell the truth and our statement can still be true for that reason. We've probably not thrown JCH and his agent under the bus, just incase we still want to do a deal at a later date. The assumption is we caved - as inevitably we do appear to have tried submitting the paperwork -so it's fair to assume we would have wanted him still, despite the last minute screw over. So not really sure what you're on about "not aging well" - think it's bang on the money and a superb shout. I don't think it has. Your post is reading that we pulled the plug. How can you say we pulled the plug when we actually submitted the paperwork. Our own club has confirmed we submitted the paperwork. So there is no chance we pulled the plug. The point was none of us knew the reasons and that people could have tried to play silly buggers. According to the clubs OFFICIAL statement, changes were requested to the deal at the last minute and it therefore fell through. Ergo had they not f**ked about, we'd have had ample time to submit the paperwork and he'd probably be a Rovers player now. If you want to believe conspiracy theories or that the clubs lying, that's completely your perogative. But that doesn't make the point of my original post (before anything came out) less on the money ; the original tent is that this may not be entirely the clubs fault. |
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Post by RD on Sept 3, 2023 11:27:22 GMT
Eh?? It's aged brilliantly. Posh version is they were sorted their end by 9ish - fine; agreed. To them, we must have therefore fked it up. But what they aren't privy to is that at the last minute , JCHs agent tried to pull a fast one - exactly as I guessed above. Hence Posh ARE telling the truth. But they can tell the truth and our statement can still be true for that reason. We've probably not thrown JCH and his agent under the bus, just incase we still want to do a deal at a later date. The assumption is we caved - as inevitably we do appear to have tried submitting the paperwork -so it's fair to assume we would have wanted him still, despite the last minute screw over. So not really sure what you're on about "not aging well" - think it's bang on the money and a superb shout.I haven't heard such self centered promotion since the last time Tom Gorringe did an interview. Oh, hang on... Is that you Tom? Fair enough, go pop your Q-Anon hat on 🙃 |
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Post by gasify on Sept 3, 2023 11:35:30 GMT
I haven't heard such self centered promotion since the last time Tom Gorringe did an interview. Oh, hang on... Is that you Tom? Fair enough, go pop your Q-Anon hat on 🙃 I will do, thanks. Check your inbox, about to email Q-uestions Anon-ymously. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 3, 2023 15:07:51 GMT
I don't think it has. Your post is reading that we pulled the plug. How can you say we pulled the plug when we actually submitted the paperwork. Our own club has confirmed we submitted the paperwork. So there is no chance we pulled the plug. The point was none of us knew the reasons and that people could have tried to play silly buggers. According to the clubs OFFICIAL statement, changes were requested to the deal at the last minute and it therefore fell through. Ergo had they not f**ked about, we'd have had ample time to submit the paperwork and he'd probably be a Rovers player now. If you want to believe conspiracy theories or that the clubs lying, that's completely your perogative. But that doesn't make the point of my original post (before anything came out) less on the money ; the original tent is that this may not be entirely the clubs fault. If TG is being truthful we missed the 11pm deadline by 4 seconds, surely we could have saved that time somewhere? Then why wait til 11:20pm to ask for the 15mins extension, what was TG doing for those 20 mins, having a comfort break? JCH may have messed us about but we still seem to have had 'til 11:15 to get everything over to the EFL. |
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