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Post by peterparker on Sept 25, 2023 14:38:49 GMT
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 25, 2023 15:18:27 GMT
Having read the report, the Plymouth media man seemed confused about what was actually said, giving different versions to various people. AM admitted that the called the bloke a "Peeping Tom", as it looked as though he was filming from behind the Rovers' dressing room. And we had teenage players in there, AM asked him if he was a paedophile (maybe a bit OTT, but I guess it was the heat of the moment). Strangely, the Commission refers to AM behaving appropriately for a head coach, however, isn't it appropriate to be concerned that somebody is possibly filming young men, (who are in your charge), in the dressing room? The media man said that he was filming the door of the away dressing room, no reason to doubt this, but can understand it looking a bit suspicious to somebody at the time.
No evidence found that he questioned the person's sexual orientation, so the 2nd charge was "not found".
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Post by devonwhite9 on Sept 25, 2023 15:41:08 GMT
Well if he was fined that for that then I expect to see similar fines dished out every single week up and down the country
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Post by peterparker on Sept 25, 2023 15:49:14 GMT
Well if he was fined that for that then I expect to see similar fines dished out every single week up and down the country To whom exactly? I am no prude, i can accept Mangan asking "What the f**k are you doing?" The Peadophile thing is out of order and justifies a fine and warning |
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Post by toggsy2 on Sept 25, 2023 15:56:02 GMT
Well if he was fined that for that then I expect to see similar fines dished out every single week up and down the country To whom exactly? I am no prude, i can accept Mangan asking "What the f**k are you doing?" The Peadophile thing is out of order and justifies a fine and warning Sadly it's a word that gets banded about way too much with out much evidence to support it , he deserved to be fined just for that alone. Maybe a better choice of words next time |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 25, 2023 16:01:38 GMT
What a waste of time.
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Post by bidefordgas on Sept 25, 2023 16:07:40 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 25, 2023 18:02:47 GMT
Well if he was fined that for that then I expect to see similar fines dished out every single week up and down the country To whom exactly? I am no prude, i can accept Mangan asking "What the f**k are you doing?" The Peadophile thing is out of order and justifies a fine and warning So what would you do if you were a coach of a team with youngsters in the squad and you caught somebody filming around the shower area? Pretty sure most of us would say something similar. You do have to wonder what this man's real intentions really were. |
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Post by bluegas on Sept 25, 2023 18:26:16 GMT
To whom exactly? I am no prude, i can accept Mangan asking "What the f**k are you doing?" The Peadophile thing is out of order and justifies a fine and warning So what would you do if you were a coach of a team with youngsters in the squad and you caught somebody filming around the shower area? Pretty sure most of us would say something similar. You do have to wonder what this man's real intentions really were. Mangan was bang out of order. What he should have done was open the dressing room door wider and tell the guy to "move to there, it's a better view." |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 25, 2023 18:35:19 GMT
To whom exactly? I am no prude, i can accept Mangan asking "What the f**k are you doing?" The Peadophile thing is out of order and justifies a fine and warning So what would you do if you were a coach of a team with youngsters in the squad and you caught somebody filming around the shower area? Pretty sure most of us would say something similar. You do have to wonder what this man's real intentions really were. Most of us would say something similar is not excuse or a defence I would like think i wouldnt be throwing around the Peadophile word. Quite easy to question what someone is up to, say they shouldnt be somewhere without going down the route Mangan did. Not adverse to tell someone to f**k off, but at the end of the day Mangan was a professional at work, at his place of work. He has been rightly fined. Is there no security round the tunnel/changing room area? |
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Post by popuppirate on Sept 25, 2023 19:08:49 GMT
Club statement: www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2023/september/club-statement-andy-mangan/'The Club and its Assistant Manager, Andrew Mangan, were extremely pleased that the FA Regulatory Commission found in favour of Mr Mangan in respect of the allegation that he had used homophobic language during half-time of the Bristol Rovers’ match against Plymouth Argyle in October last year. As the Club said at the time that the charge was brought, both the Club and Mr Mangan consider the use of the language that was alleged, to be reprehensible and inexcusable under any circumstances. The Club stands and will continue to stand against all forms of discrimination' |
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Post by landlord on Sept 25, 2023 19:12:58 GMT
Poor chap Charlie Rose, he must be sensitive soul !!!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 25, 2023 19:26:34 GMT
Club statement: www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2023/september/club-statement-andy-mangan/'The Club and its Assistant Manager, Andrew Mangan, were extremely pleased that the FA Regulatory Commission found in favour of Mr Mangan in respect of the allegation that he had used homophobic language during half-time of the Bristol Rovers’ match against Plymouth Argyle in October last year. As the Club said at the time that the charge was brought, both the Club and Mr Mangan consider the use of the language that was alleged, to be reprehensible and inexcusable under any circumstances. The Club stands and will continue to stand against all forms of discrimination' Surely it would have been better not to publish anything at all than totally ignore the fact AM did receive a substantial fine for the other offence he was charged with? |
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Post by devonwhite9 on Sept 25, 2023 19:35:02 GMT
Charge 3.2 is the serious offence he has been cleared of. Charge 3.1 is a strange one as, unless there is a menu-type fine list for particular words, people should be fined up and down the country every week for insulting or abusive language. I've heard plenty directed at our dugout from opposition managers and I'm sure it's reciprocated! As far as our local FA is concerned, directing the "c" word at children is not worthy of investigation. I assume this is consistent across all layers of the FA, so Mangan should stick to that. one in future
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Post by popuppirate on Sept 25, 2023 19:36:12 GMT
Club statement: www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2023/september/club-statement-andy-mangan/'The Club and its Assistant Manager, Andrew Mangan, were extremely pleased that the FA Regulatory Commission found in favour of Mr Mangan in respect of the allegation that he had used homophobic language during half-time of the Bristol Rovers’ match against Plymouth Argyle in October last year. As the Club said at the time that the charge was brought, both the Club and Mr Mangan consider the use of the language that was alleged, to be reprehensible and inexcusable under any circumstances. The Club stands and will continue to stand against all forms of discrimination' Surely it would have been better not to publish anything at all than totally ignore the fact AM did receive a substantial fine for the other offence he was charged with? Maybe. I suppose they just wanted to highlight the fact there was no homophobic abuse used |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 25, 2023 19:36:31 GMT
Club statement: www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2023/september/club-statement-andy-mangan/'The Club and its Assistant Manager, Andrew Mangan, were extremely pleased that the FA Regulatory Commission found in favour of Mr Mangan in respect of the allegation that he had used homophobic language during half-time of the Bristol Rovers’ match against Plymouth Argyle in October last year. As the Club said at the time that the charge was brought, both the Club and Mr Mangan consider the use of the language that was alleged, to be reprehensible and inexcusable under any circumstances. The Club stands and will continue to stand against all forms of discrimination' Surely it would have been better not to publish anything at all than totally ignore the fact AM did receive a substantial fine for the other offence he was charged with? For calling someone a peado? In bad word bingo it wouldn’t even feature in the top 10 on a match day, guaranteed. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 25, 2023 19:47:55 GMT
Surely it would have been better not to publish anything at all than totally ignore the fact AM did receive a substantial fine for the other offence he was charged with? For calling someone a peado? In bad word bingo it wouldn’t even feature in the top 10 on a match day, guaranteed. That was being discussed previously on the thread, my point was whatever we think about it AM's been fined by the FA for the offence, so it seems strange not to mention he was found guilty for the first offence and received a fine. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Sept 25, 2023 19:57:52 GMT
Having now read through the full hearing text, I’m astounded how they reached the decision.
The Plymouth employee even had the cheek to edit the video the following day with sub titles he claimed AM had said and the commission could not hear any of what he claimed.
Seems to me the commission reached the conclusion that they did to keep Plymouth happy even though it was on the minor charge and in doing so making the wider football world form the opinion that AM was guilty and banged to rights.
It took them nearly a year to sort out something that should have never seen the light of day and as for so say filming a dressing room door, what the hell is that about. Very strange all round from Mr Rose.
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Post by aghast on Sept 25, 2023 20:05:05 GMT
I am 100% certain that Andy Mangan did not think that the Plymouth guy was a paedophile, and 110% certain that the Plymouth guy did not think Mangan meant it.
Caught in the act sneaking around trying to gain an advantage, an insult was thrown at him. He was never going to admit what he was doing and the insult has been used against us.
So possibly not the wisest thing, in hindsight, to give the guilty parties some defence ammo, but everyone involved knows it wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2023 20:39:25 GMT
He probably used a fairly insulting tone and combined with derogatory language, but probably no more than what you would level at anyone who cuts you up on a roundabout at rush hour. The fact the predator from Plymouth was sneaking around with a camera trying to listen in to a conversation he had no reason to be party to meant that he managed to record the wrath of Mangan.
What a shambles.
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