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Oct 21, 2023 22:22:42 GMT
Post by yattongas on Oct 21, 2023 22:22:42 GMT
The right wing hawks are here are begging for a bit of bloodshed š Quite a serious issue here tbf. Obviously we are far removed, but imagine your kids at a disco getting raided. They or their friends kidnapped, raped, dismembered, beheaded. A bit of bloodshed is inevitable and justification from ^left wing hawks^ for historical suffering is the debate. Your take is....? Well yours seems to be go into Palestine and wilfully slaughter loads of innocents to achieve your goals . Thereās kids on both sides . š |
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Oct 21, 2023 22:24:24 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 21, 2023 22:24:24 GMT
Quite a serious issue here tbf. Obviously we are far removed, but imagine your kids at a disco getting raided. They or their friends kidnapped, raped, dismembered, beheaded. A bit of bloodshed is inevitable and justification from ^left wing hawks^ for historical suffering is the debate. Your take is....? Well yours seems to be go into Palestine and wilfully slaughter loads of innocents to achieve your goals .Ā Thereās kids on both sides . š Not quite. But what's your solution? |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 21, 2023 22:28:29 GMT
Well yours seems to be go into Palestine and wilfully slaughter loads of innocents to achieve your goals . Thereās kids on both sides . š Not quite. But what's your solution? Havenāt got one . But youāve made yours abundantly clear , go in and slaughter. |
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Oct 22, 2023 4:51:07 GMT
Post by baggins on Oct 22, 2023 4:51:07 GMT
Stupid question I know, but when Israeli forces go into Gaza, how are they going to spot Hamas terrorists? Do they have HAMAS written on their shirts? Since none of the replies have given you anything worthwhile, I'll give you: Intelligence. Aerial assets. Fighting patrols following orders with a defined mission statement. Agents on the ground. The absence of civpop. Resistance. Fortified areas. Comms breaches(loose lips). Defensive manoeuvres. It won't be indiscriminate fire, but that's what certain agencies will feed us. Israeli military will have solid ROE regardless of the disgusting attacks on its people. If all that was achievable, then why bother flattening the place with bombs and missiles rather than just sending the troops in? |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 22, 2023 6:49:19 GMT
Not quite. But what's your solution? Havenāt got one . But youāve made yours abundantly clear , go in and slaughter.Ā Not quite, you're being silly again. No solution but critical of others. Brilliant work. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 22, 2023 6:53:34 GMT
Since none of the replies have given you anything worthwhile, I'll give you: Intelligence. Aerial assets. Fighting patrols following orders with a defined mission statement. Agents on the ground. The absence of civpop. Resistance. Fortified areas. Comms breaches(loose lips). Defensive manoeuvres. It won't be indiscriminate fire, but that's what certain agencies will feed us. Israeli military will have solid ROE regardless of the disgusting attacks on its people. If all that was achievable,Ā then why bother flattening the place with bombs and missiles rather than just sending the troops in? I only gave you some of the means to which trained forces with resource will spot hamas terrorists. What we are seeing now isn't flattening the place. It will be targeting of key positions based on intelligence. This is the opposite of what hamas try to do when they fire thousands of rockets into israel. |
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Oct 22, 2023 7:29:21 GMT
Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2023 7:29:21 GMT
Havenāt got one . But youāve made yours abundantly clear , go in and slaughter. Not quite, you're being silly again. No solution but critical of others. Brilliant work. āCollateral damage is unfortunate but necessaryā Wow , youāve really got all the solutions š All that will bring is more generations of kids that are left growing up into terrorists themselves. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2023 7:42:05 GMT
If all that was achievable, then why bother flattening the place with bombs and missiles rather than just sending the troops in? I only gave you some of the means to which trained forces with resource will spot hamas terrorists. What we are seeing now isn't flattening the place. It will be targeting of key positions based on intelligence. This is the opposite of what hamas try to do when they fire thousands of rockets into israel. They didnāt even have the intelligence to realise they were going to suffer a horrific murderous attack. |
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Oct 22, 2023 7:47:40 GMT
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Post by francegas on Oct 22, 2023 7:47:40 GMT
The right wing hawks are here are begging for a bit of bloodshed š Good job our grand fathers didnt take your view Yatton. We'd all be speaking German now. |
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Oct 22, 2023 7:49:06 GMT
Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2023 7:49:06 GMT
The right wing hawks are here are begging for a bit of bloodshed š Good job our grand fathers didnt take your view Yatton. We'd all be speaking German now. š |
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Post by baggins on Oct 22, 2023 7:54:53 GMT
If all that was achievable, then why bother flattening the place with bombs and missiles rather than just sending the troops in? I only gave you some of the means to which trained forces with resource will spot hamas terrorists. What we are seeing now isn't flattening the place. It will be targeting of key positions based on intelligence. This is the opposite of what hamas try to do when they fire thousands of rockets into israel. A lot of it looks pretty flattened to me and most of that really doesn't look like strategic targets either. What's really odd about this tactic of heavy bombing a City, and we've heard about this sort of problem before, is that it makes it very difficult for tanks and armour to move about, leaving ground troops very exposed to an "enemy" that is well dug in and waiting. |
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Post by francegas on Oct 22, 2023 8:15:06 GMT
I like to think the majority here accept the result of a democratic vote (except those on the left when it comes to Brexit. You know who you are....Yatton š). Many have also used the term "You get what you vote for"
Hamas was voted in by the Palestinian people as representing them and being their leaders. At that time the Palestinian people would have known Hamas was a terrorist group, they would have known that Hamas' prime objective was to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet they still voted them in.
When Hamas attacked Israel and slaughtered over 1000 innocent civilians on day 1 what did they honestly think Israels response would be. So is it a case of they have got what they voted for.
Of course it is sad innocent people die on both sides however when your country in effect declares war on a neighbouring country by firing 1000s of rockets into it unfortunately it's inevitable innocent people will die through retaliation.
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Oct 22, 2023 8:25:07 GMT
Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2023 8:25:07 GMT
There hasnāt been elections there since 2006 ? Hamas rules Gaza and Palestine authority the West Bank I think .
Iām certainly no expert on the politics there and reading this thread nobody else is either !
The ONLY solution is a two state territory.
How that ever ever comes about I have no idea . Thought Northern Ireland was unsolvable growing up but a solution of sorts was agreed on in the end .
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Oct 22, 2023 8:54:59 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 22, 2023 8:54:59 GMT
Not quite, you're being silly again. No solution but critical of others. Brilliant work. āCollateral damage is unfortunate but necessaryā Wow , youāve really got all the solutions š All that will bring is more generations of kids that are left growing up into terrorists themselves. Try to add to the points rather than argue with me. Collateral damage is unfortunate but necessary in this case. Terrorists are hiding amongst civilians. |
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Oct 22, 2023 8:56:38 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 22, 2023 8:56:38 GMT
I only gave you some of the means to which trained forces with resource will spot hamas terrorists. What we are seeing now isn't flattening the place. It will be targeting of key positions based on intelligence. This is the opposite of what hamas try to do when they fire thousands of rockets into israel. They didnāt even have the intelligence to realise they were going to suffer a horrific murderous attack.Ā Another stupid remark sadly. Sigh. Is this what you say to Americans about 911? Keep it sensible if you can Yatton. |
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Oct 22, 2023 9:00:12 GMT
Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2023 9:00:12 GMT
They didnāt even have the intelligence to realise they were going to suffer a horrific murderous attack. Another stupid remark sadly. Sigh. Is this what you say to Americans about 911? Keep it sensible if you can Yatton. Yes , everything I say is stupid . |
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Oct 22, 2023 9:00:33 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 22, 2023 9:00:33 GMT
I only gave you some of the means to which trained forces with resource will spot hamas terrorists. What we are seeing now isn't flattening the place. It will be targeting of key positions based on intelligence. This is the opposite of what hamas try to do when they fire thousands of rockets into israel. A lot of it looks pretty flattened to me and most of that really doesn't look like strategic targets either.Ā What's really odd about this tactic of heavy bombing a City,Ā and we've heard about this sort of problem before,Ā is that it makes it very difficult for tanks and armour to move about, leaving ground troops very exposed to an "enemy" that is well dug in and waiting. I haven't watched the news but know what goes on. Israel will have strict ROE and won't want to face sanctions. It will be purposeful targetted shelling using technology to pick the hits. |
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Oct 22, 2023 9:01:21 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 22, 2023 9:01:21 GMT
Another stupid remark sadly. Sigh. Is this what you say to Americans about 911? Keep it sensible if you can Yatton. Yes , everything I say is stupid .Ā No. Just that you seem more concerned with arguing with me than debating the content. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 22, 2023 9:01:28 GMT
I like to think the majority here accept the result of a democratic vote (except those on the left when it comes to Brexit. You know who you are....Yatton š). Many have also used the term "You get what you vote for" Hamas was voted in by the Palestinian people as representing them and being their leaders. At that time the Palestinian people would have known Hamas was a terrorist group, they would have known that Hamas' prime objective was to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet they still voted them in. When Hamas attacked Israel and slaughtered over 1000 innocent civilians on day 1 what did they honestly think Israels response would be. So is it a case of they have got what they voted for. Of course it is sad innocent people die on both sides however when your country in effect declares war on a neighbouring country by firing 1000s of rockets into it unfortunately it's inevitable innocent people will die through retaliation. Re elections On paper what you say is true. But the reality is that once a population is seduced into the arms of extremists it is very hard to get out of. An example being, as Yatton highlights, there has not been an election since HAMAS came to power in 2006. It is the same in Iran, you oppose the regime at your peril. The population suffers there too as a result. Again, there is no chance of any resolution to this disaster unless the base causal factors are addressed. Extreme violence as being promoted in this debate just kicks the can down the road, cementing entrenched positions further, whilst costing probably ten's of thousands of lives. Then repeat. |
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Oct 22, 2023 9:25:17 GMT
Post by yattongas on Oct 22, 2023 9:25:17 GMT
Yes , everything I say is stupid . No. Just that you seem more concerned with arguing with me than debating the content. You post something, I post my response. Sorry if that upsets you , itās a forum . š |
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