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Nov 8, 2023 10:26:59 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 8, 2023 10:26:59 GMT
I find it sad that you’re embarrassed about a tradition that has occurred or in excess of 500 years in our history. Certainly our French friends don't find it hilarious, embarrassing or any other word you want to use, on the contrary they are interested in n our history and tell me we should be proud of our history and traditions. Some bloke sat there with a crown and holding a globe (worth multiple millions) because others did it for 500 yrs and you’re proud of that ? 🙄 🇬🇧 Meanwhile we have thousands going to food banks. No wonder this country is on its knees I like the symbolism, shows who is in charge and a reminder that democracy isn't guaranteed. As we've seen elsewhere, autocracy is only complacency away.
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Nov 8, 2023 10:28:26 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2023 10:28:26 GMT
And wipe history? Although, I have to say, that position is the only way to resolve this. Latent revenge is never going to do it. If we want to learn from history, and 1948 is a key milestone, we can't set an arbitrary date as it would fail to acknowledge why Isreal is in fear too. We also would need to understand why Jerusalem is sacred to three monotheistic religions but only controlled by one, that goes back further. We have take both side's issues seriously. Not sure the two state solution is still workable but it's going to have to be a start. Bringing in other regional players is a must, including Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States. They also have responsibility here as fellow agitators, including in Syria and Yemen. Perhaps the likes of Egypt and Jordan could take a lead as they have feet in both camps, so to speak. Yes, agreed. As always
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Nov 8, 2023 10:31:29 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2023 10:31:29 GMT
I find it sad that you’re embarrassed about a tradition that has occurred or in excess of 500 years in our history. Certainly our French friends don't find it hilarious, embarrassing or any other word you want to use, on the contrary they are interested in n our history and tell me we should be proud of our history and traditions. Some bloke sat there with a crown and holding a globe (worth multiple millions) because others did it for 500 yrs and you’re proud of that ? 🙄 🇬🇧 Meanwhile we have thousands going to food banks. No wonder this country is on its knees Precisely Yatton
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Nov 8, 2023 10:32:44 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2023 10:32:44 GMT
Some bloke sat there with a crown and holding a globe (worth multiple millions) because others did it for 500 yrs and you’re proud of that ? 🙄 🇬🇧 Meanwhile we have thousands going to food banks. No wonder this country is on its knees I like the symbolism, shows who is in charge and a reminder that democracy isn't guaranteed. As we've seen elsewhere, autocracy is only complacency away. A monarchy is not democracy Stuart. It's the opposite.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 8, 2023 10:34:06 GMT
I like the symbolism, shows who is in charge and a reminder that democracy isn't guaranteed. As we've seen elsewhere, autocracy is only complacency away. A monarchy is not democracy Stuart. It's the opposite. A constitutional monarchy is, several countries have them.
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Nov 8, 2023 10:34:47 GMT
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Post by francegas on Nov 8, 2023 10:34:47 GMT
I find it sad that you’re embarrassed about a tradition that has occurred or in excess of 500 years in our history. Certainly our French friends don't find it hilarious, embarrassing or any other word you want to use, on the contrary they are interested in n our history and tell me we should be proud of our history and traditions. Some bloke sat there with a crown and holding a globe (worth multiple millions) because others did it for 500 yrs and you’re proud of that ? 🙄 🇬🇧 Meanwhile we have thousands going to food banks. No wonder this country is on its knees I'd rather see "some bloke" with a crown on his head maintaining a 500+ year old tradition than seeing a 78 year old veteran being punched and kicked because he's selling Poppys. I'd rather see a peaceful remembrance day (a UK tradition), you know when the UK remember those who gave their lives for our freedom, than seeing it ruined by a bunch of pro Palestine supporters.
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Nov 8, 2023 10:40:57 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2023 10:40:57 GMT
A monarchy is not democracy Stuart. It's the opposite. A constitutional monarchy is, several countries have them. In a proper democratic constitution the people would vote for a monarchy. Our has come about by force, the current incumbents by agreement of an unelected (in the main) elite, over the centuries.
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Nov 8, 2023 10:42:42 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2023 10:42:42 GMT
Some bloke sat there with a crown and holding a globe (worth multiple millions) because others did it for 500 yrs and you’re proud of that ? 🙄 🇬🇧 Meanwhile we have thousands going to food banks. No wonder this country is on its knees I'd rather see "some bloke" with a crown on his head maintaining a 500+ year old tradition than seeing a 78 year old veteran being punched and kicked because he's selling Poppys. I'd rather see a peaceful remembrance day (a UK tradition), you know when the UK remember those who gave their lives for our freedom, than seeing it ruined by a bunch of pro Palestine supporters. Christ France, I have read some false equivalence on here at times, but that takes the biscuit.
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Nov 8, 2023 10:51:34 GMT
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Post by francegas on Nov 8, 2023 10:51:34 GMT
I'd rather see "some bloke" with a crown on his head maintaining a 500+ year old tradition than seeing a 78 year old veteran being punched and kicked because he's selling Poppys. I'd rather see a peaceful remembrance day (a UK tradition), you know when the UK remember those who gave their lives for our freedom, than seeing it ruined by a bunch of pro Palestine supporters. Christ France, I have read some false equivalence on here at times, but that takes the biscuit. Hang on Oldie, Yatton bought up the king wearing a crown and people using foodbanks and no doubt by some will be patted on the back and told how right he is. But I'm not allowed to compare the king wearing a crown and veterans being attacked and the threat of remembrance day parades being ruined. Seems somewhat one sided to me.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 8, 2023 10:55:04 GMT
A constitutional monarchy is, several countries have them. In a proper democratic constitution the people would vote for a monarchy. Our has come about by force, the current incumbents by agreement of an unelected (in the main) elite, over the centuries. I'm not against a vote, however plenty of republics have come into being through force too. I think it was Voltaire who said 'whenever England stop liking their king, they get rid of him' and we certainly have a history of that. The real power is in the hands of Parliament which is where it should be.
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Nov 8, 2023 10:59:38 GMT
Post by yattongas on Nov 8, 2023 10:59:38 GMT
Some bloke sat there with a crown and holding a globe (worth multiple millions) because others did it for 500 yrs and you’re proud of that ? 🙄 🇬🇧 Meanwhile we have thousands going to food banks. No wonder this country is on its knees I'd rather see "some bloke" with a crown on his head maintaining a 500+ year old tradition than seeing a 78 year old veteran being punched and kicked because he's selling Poppys. I'd rather see a peaceful remembrance day (a UK tradition), you know when the UK remember those who gave their lives for our freedom, than seeing it ruined by a bunch of pro Palestine supporters. What proof do you have for that except something written in the daily Mail ? No doubt you’ll be cheering on the right wing loons and football hooligans ‘protecting’ the cenotaph this weekend ……. You know the ones, the idiots looking for trouble and for it to kick off . 🇬🇧
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Nov 8, 2023 11:02:33 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 8, 2023 11:02:33 GMT
I'd rather see "some bloke" with a crown on his head maintaining a 500+ year old tradition than seeing a 78 year old veteran being punched and kicked because he's selling Poppys. I'd rather see a peaceful remembrance day (a UK tradition), you know when the UK remember those who gave their lives for our freedom, than seeing it ruined by a bunch of pro Palestine supporters. What proof do you have for that except something written in the daily Mail ? No doubt you’ll be cheering on the right wing loons and football hooligans ‘protecting’ the cenotaph this weekend ……. You know the ones, the idiots looking for trouble and for it to kick off . 🇬🇧 The Home Secretary?
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Nov 8, 2023 11:05:51 GMT
Post by yattongas on Nov 8, 2023 11:05:51 GMT
What proof do you have for that except something written in the daily Mail ? No doubt you’ll be cheering on the right wing loons and football hooligans ‘protecting’ the cenotaph this weekend ……. You know the ones, the idiots looking for trouble and for it to kick off . 🇬🇧 The Home Secretary? Exactly. Deliberately stoking things up and no doubt would ‘love it’ if there was trouble. Shamefully some posters would vote for her if she were to lead the Tory party …… yes I’m talking about you francegas 🇬🇧🙄
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Nov 8, 2023 11:15:25 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 8, 2023 11:15:25 GMT
Christ France, I have read some false equivalence on here at times, but that takes the biscuit. Hang on Oldie, Yatton bought up the king wearing a crown and people using foodbanks and no doubt by some will be patted on the back and told how right he is. But I'm not allowed to compare the king wearing a crown and veterans being attacked and the threat of remembrance day parades being ruined. Seems somewhat one sided to me. Not endorsing a monarchy is not to say anyone is endorsing beating up anyone. Spending millions on an unelected system of monarchy is directly equivalent to NOT spending OUR taxes on the most needy in our society.
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Nov 8, 2023 11:16:10 GMT
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Post by francegas on Nov 8, 2023 11:16:10 GMT
I'd rather see "some bloke" with a crown on his head maintaining a 500+ year old tradition than seeing a 78 year old veteran being punched and kicked because he's selling Poppys. I'd rather see a peaceful remembrance day (a UK tradition), you know when the UK remember those who gave their lives for our freedom, than seeing it ruined by a bunch of pro Palestine supporters. What proof do you have for that except something written in the daily Mail ? No doubt you’ll be cheering on the right wing loons and football hooligans ‘protecting’ the cenotaph this weekend ……. You know the ones, the idiots looking for trouble and for it to kick off . 🇬🇧 Can't believe you've just typed that Yatton. So you would rather see the Cenotaph desecrated by a baying left wing mob than seeing people trying to protect it. It's not only people from the right who remember our fallen heroes.
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Nov 8, 2023 11:25:09 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 8, 2023 11:25:09 GMT
What proof do you have for that except something written in the daily Mail ? No doubt you’ll be cheering on the right wing loons and football hooligans ‘protecting’ the cenotaph this weekend ……. You know the ones, the idiots looking for trouble and for it to kick off . 🇬🇧 Can't believe you've just typed that Yatton. So you would rather see the Cenotaph desecrated by a baying left wing mob than seeing people trying to protect it. It's not only people from the right who remember our fallen heroes. Wasn’t the Doncaster Cenotaph desecrated the other day?
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Nov 8, 2023 11:25:10 GMT
Post by yattongas on Nov 8, 2023 11:25:10 GMT
What proof do you have for that except something written in the daily Mail ? No doubt you’ll be cheering on the right wing loons and football hooligans ‘protecting’ the cenotaph this weekend ……. You know the ones, the idiots looking for trouble and for it to kick off . 🇬🇧 Can't believe you've just typed that Yatton. So you would rather see the Cenotaph desecrated by a baying left wing mob than seeing people trying to protect it. It's not only people from the right who remember our fallen heroes. Nobody was planning on desecrating it you loon , that’s the point 🙄 The police are now worried about RIGHTWING violence.
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Nov 8, 2023 11:29:02 GMT
Post by supergas on Nov 8, 2023 11:29:02 GMT
Depends how far back in history you want to go as a starting point. And wipe history?Although, I have to say, that position is the only way to resolve this. Latent revenge is never going to do it. Lots of history between the two side pre-1948....
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Nov 8, 2023 11:29:18 GMT
Post by yattongas on Nov 8, 2023 11:29:18 GMT
Can't believe you've just typed that Yatton. So you would rather see the Cenotaph desecrated by a baying left wing mob than seeing people trying to protect it. It's not only people from the right who remember our fallen heroes. Wasn’t the Doncaster Cenotaph desecrated the other day? Remember seeing a bloke watering on the pc Kieth palmer memorial after a right wing march . Also the City firm going into Bristol to ‘protect’ some statue . My god , imagine being so twisted you fall for this crap punted by the rightwing media . Shameful .
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Nov 8, 2023 11:31:21 GMT
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Post by francegas on Nov 8, 2023 11:31:21 GMT
Can't believe you've just typed that Yatton. So you would rather see the Cenotaph desecrated by a baying left wing mob than seeing people trying to protect it. It's not only people from the right who remember our fallen heroes. Wasn’t the Doncaster Cenotaph desecrated the other day? The Rotherham Cenotaph has been desecrated. Yatton must be so proud 🙄
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