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Post by mftc on Oct 16, 2023 7:29:16 GMT
Does anyone have details of what budget the managers had?
GC, Garner, Tis, Joey etc.
I doubt during the COVID-19 seasons we had the scope to get in the type of players we have now.
I heard Smith and Victor were really on next to nothing when GC loaned them in, but I expect us to be paying quite a bit for the loans this season.
We have a massive backroom and medical staff now compared to years gone by. (Hibbitt, Bulpin, Dolling and his magic sponge, Kendall (all the jobs under the sun) and youth coach Muxworthy etc)
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Post by richie on Oct 16, 2023 7:35:55 GMT
Not sure where this is going? Is the implication that JB has the biggest budget and obviously that means he should guarantee success?
do we need to compare just the outgoing expenditure or the entire Profit and Loss which would include revenue generated by average attendance increases, revenue from sales of players, commercial revenue ect...
We surely need to look at the budgets of clubs around us too as its all relative.
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2023 8:23:12 GMT
Does anyone have details of what budget the managers had? GC, Garner, Tis, Joey etc. I doubt during the COVID-19 seasons we had the scope to get in the type of players we have now. I heard Smith and Victor were really on next to nothing when GC loaned them in, but I expect us to be paying quite a bit for the loans this season. We have a massive backroom and medical staff now compared to years gone by. (Hibbitt, Bulpin, Dolling and his magic sponge, Kendall (all the jobs under the sun) and youth coach Muxworthy etc) I was a mascot during the first season at Twerton. I think Hibbitt was player coach so the only people on the bench were me, Bobby Gould, Roy Dolling and two subs!!! It was a bit overawing as a young kid as back then as well as being on the bench you were in the dressing room pre-match, half-time and post-match. I remember the changing room being surprisingly small and very loud. I learnt a few new words that day which I still put to good use now and againš!! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2023 11:48:12 GMT
Does anyone have details of what budget the managers had? GC, Garner, Tis, Joey etc. I doubt during the COVID-19 seasons we had the scope to get in the type of players we have now. I heard Smith and Victor were really on next to nothing when GC loaned them in, but I expect us to be paying quite a bit for the loans this season. We have a massive backroom and medical staff now compared to years gone by. (Hibbitt, Bulpin, Dolling and his magic sponge, Kendall (all the jobs under the sun) and youth coach Muxworthy etc) The playing budget doesn't seem to have been the main issue with BG's failings as it was clear there was money available for another striker, likewise Tisdale had enough money available to chase Stockdale's signing all one transfer window. GC most likely excelled with the budget he had available but has never repeated that feat since he left. |
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Post by eric on Oct 16, 2023 12:10:22 GMT
Does anyone have details of what budget the managers had? GC, Garner, Tis, Joey etc. I doubt during the COVID-19 seasons we had the scope to get in the type of players we have now. I heard Smith and Victor were really on next to nothing when GC loaned them in, but I expect us to be paying quite a bit for the loans this season. We have a massive backroom and medical staff now compared to years gone by. (Hibbitt, Bulpin, Dolling and his magic sponge, Kendall (all the jobs under the sun) and youth coach Muxworthy etc) The playing budget doesn't seem to have been the main issue with BG's failings as it was clear there was money available for another striker, likewise Tisdale had enough money available to chase Stockdale's signing all one transfer window. GC most likely excelled with the budget he had available but has never repeated that feat since he left. Stockdale? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2023 12:40:01 GMT
The playing budget doesn't seem to have been the main issue with BG's failings as it was clear there was money available for another striker, likewise Tisdale had enough money available to chase Stockdale's signing all one transfer window. GC most likely excelled with the budget he had available but has never repeated that feat since he left. Stockdale? Stockley |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 14:57:36 GMT
Well Barton has the biggest in our history and we seem to struggle with signing strikers. Collins was scouted by a previous scout not part of Bartonās network. Weāve had to sign Pitman, Leon Clarke and now Chris Martin all of the unemployable scrap heap. Add in Loft, we just canāt seem to find anyone in this department.
Number 9ās are our issue, Jevani Brown isnāt this and nor is Collins, take away Marquis cult hero effort, heās hardly set the world on fire, donāt forget Barton said we signed the best striker in the league when we got John.
Since Wael has been here, I think the budget has gone up season on season to a level now where McAnthony has said we are paying big wages and others in the game have mentioned it as well.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 16, 2023 15:28:52 GMT
Well Barton has the biggest in our history and we seem to struggle with signing strikers. Collins was scouted by a previous scout not part of Bartonās network. Weāve had to sign Pitman, Leon Clarke and now Chris Martin all of the unemployable scrap heap. Add in Loft, we just canāt seem to find anyone in this department. Number 9ās are our issue, Jevani Brown isnāt this and nor is Collins, take away Marquis cult hero effort, heās hardly set the world on fire, donāt forget Barton said we signed the best striker in the league when we got John. Since Wael has been here, I think the budget has gone up season on season to a level now where McAnthony has said we are paying big wages and others in the game have mentioned it as well. If budgets stay the same every season but go up with inflation, every yr would be the ābiggest in our historyā . I agree though and have said it for season after season, if youāre serious about getting promoted you have to shell out and pay the bucks to get a decent forward or two. |
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Oct 16, 2023 15:56:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 15:56:11 GMT
I think budgets go up and down, I also think some budgets are determined on player sales like at Exeter. Oxford were nearly relegated last season but signed Wales international on a free and also Rodrigues from Notts County on a free. Both impressed against us 10 days ago, they sit top of the league now. Where as we have 3 right backs, 3 left backs, 5 CBās, 5 CMās, one recognised no 9, it would be two 9ās if JCH signed. The season we went up with with Trolls we had Walker, Lambert and Nicholson up front scoring goals. DCās sides had Taylor, Ellis and Gaffeny, Bartonās use of the biggest budget in our history this season has been so unbalanced towards our strike force, there is no arguing this even if we signed JCH. Collins hasnāt played upfront for over a year and hasnāt been on consistent form since December 2022. I think we should have lined up a loan signing with some pace upfront. For me itās why I still defend Cogs, what he did with his budget, our win at Portman Road that day to go third was incredible with what he had to play with www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50696305 |
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Oct 16, 2023 16:37:43 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 16, 2023 16:37:43 GMT
When GC took over from DC, the budget stood at Ā£3.65m confirmed to me by Martyn Starnes at the time and he had to reduce it to under Ā£3m. It didnāt help that we had highly paid contracts and long contracts given out by Hamer for Upson, Bennett, Nichols and Rodman all of whom folded like envelopes once GC left.
BG and Tisdale both had Ā£3m budgets and Iām willing to bet that JB has exceeded Ā£4.5m this year.
One thing Roadman is right about is that GC managed to get a tune out of an otherwise poor looking, overpaid squad.
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Post by The Equaliser on Oct 16, 2023 17:16:34 GMT
Think we can safely assume this season we have our biggest budget, however I think we need to qualify it.
As per everything else in life it gets more expensive to run a football club every year so of course itās the biggest, then to judge managers use of the budget and results /performances of that budget we have to look at the opposition clubs we are competing against. My guess is itās near the top but I think Ollieās budget in 1999 was bigger pro rata, and possibly Darrellās budget our one year in non league pro rata were the biggest all things considered.
The point Iām trying to make is itās not clear cut, there are so many parameters and variables itās impossible to clearly judge in my opinion.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 16, 2023 17:20:01 GMT
When GC took over from DC, the budget stood at Ā£3.65m confirmed to me by Martyn Starnes at the time and he had to reduce it to under Ā£3m. It didnāt help that we had highly paid contracts and long contracts given out by Hamer for Upson, Bennett, Nichols and Rodman all of whom folded like envelopes once GC left. BG and Tisdale both had Ā£3m budgets and Iām willing to bet that JB has exceeded Ā£4.5m this year. One thing Roadman is right about is that GC managed to get a tune out of an otherwise poor looking, overpaid squad. Rodman had injury and health issues, he always gave 100% contribution when he played - how is that "folding like an envelope"? Also, he was signed as an out and out winger, but not played as such very often. |
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Oct 16, 2023 17:38:28 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 16, 2023 17:38:28 GMT
When GC took over from DC, the budget stood at Ā£3.65m confirmed to me by Martyn Starnes at the time and he had to reduce it to under Ā£3m. It didnāt help that we had highly paid contracts and long contracts given out by Hamer for Upson, Bennett, Nichols and Rodman all of whom folded like envelopes once GC left. BG and Tisdale both had Ā£3m budgets and Iām willing to bet that JB has exceeded Ā£4.5m this year. One thing Roadman is right about is that GC managed to get a tune out of an otherwise poor looking, overpaid squad. Rodman had injury and health issues, he always gave 100% contribution when he played - how is that "folding like an envelope"?Ā Also, he was signed as an out and out winger, but not played as such very often.Ā He folded long before he had vertigo and broke his foot. He was unable to match any form of intensity or play a 40 game season that he did in his Shrewsbury days, for example. Commitment is admirable, I mean, if I had the chance to play for rovers Iād give it 100% as well, doesnāt mean talent, ability or contribution across a 46+ game season should be ignored because he was commited. It was a poor signing on every level. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 16, 2023 17:43:00 GMT
Rodman had injury and health issues, he always gave 100% contribution when he played - how is that "folding like an envelope"? Also, he was signed as an out and out winger, but not played as such very often. He folded long before he had vertigo and broke his foot. He was unable to match any form of intensity or play a 40 game season that he did in his Shrewsbury days, for example. Commitment is admirable, I mean, if I had the chance to play for rovers Iād give it 100% as well, doesnāt mean talent, ability or contribution across a 46+ game season should be ignored because he was commited. It was a poor signing on every level. He's obviously one who was on your hit list, like Finley is at the moment. Maybe get some binoculars to see things from on high, as I don't know how you missed his ability or contribution. |
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Oct 16, 2023 17:54:51 GMT
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Post by gasheadowen on Oct 16, 2023 17:54:51 GMT
When GC took over from DC, the budget stood at Ā£3.65m confirmed to me by Martyn Starnes at the time and he had to reduce it to under Ā£3m. It didnāt help that we had highly paid contracts and long contracts given out by Hamer for Upson, Bennett, Nichols and Rodman all of whom folded like envelopes once GC left. BG and Tisdale both had Ā£3m budgets and Iām willing to bet that JB has exceeded Ā£4.5m this year. One thing Roadman is right about is that GC managed to get a tune out of an otherwise poor looking, overpaid squad. Whilst I agree largely with your post, I actually feel Rodman had his best spell with us playing at RWB under GC. Didn't see anything from him under DC. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2023 17:56:32 GMT
When GC took over from DC, the budget stood at Ā£3.65m confirmed to me by Martyn Starnes at the time and he had to reduce it to under Ā£3m. It didnāt help that we had highly paid contracts and long contracts given out by Hamer for Upson, Bennett, Nichols and Rodman all of whom folded like envelopes once GC left. BG and Tisdale both had Ā£3m budgets and Iām willing to bet that JB has exceeded Ā£4.5m this year. One thing Roadman is right about is that GC managed to get a tune out of an otherwise poor looking, overpaid squad. What's totally baffling is how Wael and MS couldn't see what a good job GC had done and put up so little fight up to keep him. Between them they probably blew the best chance we had of getting promoted since the wheels left off under Holloway. What they also saw in BG and PT is equally as baffling. JB really needs to deliver at least a top 6 push for the way he's being backed. |
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Oct 16, 2023 19:09:05 GMT
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Post by nailseamark on Oct 16, 2023 19:09:05 GMT
Donāt bother trying to criticise Rodman they love him on here for some reason. Even though he absolutely sucked for Rovers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 19:32:15 GMT
The talk of Rodman brings me to the DC and Paul Thorpe relationship which I think for football dealings wasnāt good at all, they are mates arenāt theyā¦ā¦ā¦Ellis for Ā£800k to Ipswich was a disaster for the Tractor Boys, and Hurstās recommendations on Stefan Payne and Rodman were the same. I liked Alex but he was sicknote well before his serious illness.
Someone made a fair comment above re Holloway and pro rata which is a good one. My only defence of Ollie even back in 2000/2001, he sold Hayles, Roberts, Zamora, Ellington, Cureton for in excess of Ā£6 million and if we are doing pro rata, thatās probably about Ā£15 million plus today! I look back to those days, fans paying for the Blackthorn End on 50/50 draw, what did the board really put back in them and it all started with them as well. Mauge injury, that window we brought in Junior Lewis and Wollaston, we had one foot in the Championship and I wonāt forgive that board for one final push to take us up.
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Oct 16, 2023 19:36:35 GMT
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 16, 2023 19:36:35 GMT
Loss at Millwall away with those 2 kids playing...dear oh dear...then Ollie, the GasHead some think he is with his heart goes and gets Justin Richards.
Implosion.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2023 19:44:33 GMT
The talk of Rodman brings me to the DC and Paul Thorpe relationship which I think for football dealings wasnāt good at all, they are mates arenāt theyā¦ā¦ā¦Ellis for Ā£800k to Ipswich was a disaster for the Tractor Boys, and Hurstās recommendations on Stefan Payne and Rodman were the same. I liked Alex but he was sicknote well before his serious illness. Someone made a fair comment above re Holloway and pro rata which is a good one. My only defence of Ollie even back in 2000/2001, he sold Hayles, Roberts, Zamora, Ellington, Cureton for in excess of Ā£6 million and if we are doing pro rata, thatās probably about Ā£15 million plus today! I look back to those days, fans paying for the Blackthorn End on 50/50 draw, what did the board really put back in them and it all started with them as well. Mauge injury, that window we brought in Junior Lewis and Wollaston, we had one foot in the Championship and I wonāt forgive that board for one final push to take us up. I assume you mean Paul Hurst not Paul Thorpe? Hurst and Ipswich was a disaster all round! To be fair to Rodman he had two reasonable seasons with us, then a dodgy one, not really sure what justified him getting the 4th season with us With regards to Hayles & co they'd probably all leave for next to nothing now rather than Ā£15m post Bosman. The Board in those days were just local businessman, I doubt a running a dairy made Ā£m's p.a.?, so probably had little money to put in themselves. Although didn't Holloway suggest he didn't want to pay big money to replace Mauge as that would have upset the rest of the squad. |
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