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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2023 18:20:34 GMT
Usual problem with new owners thinking they know more about football than people who have been involved all of their lives. I can see all of the loan players being recalled and a few others wanting to leave. Only question is how many relegations now. I think i have given up on them now. We had one under JB. Loan players cannot be recalled is the general concensus this season? Clubs will no doubt assess the position, if the new manager starts winning games and giving loan players game time, then why would they recall them? If they did in January I assume there's plenty more the new manager can bring in to replace them. Apart from Vale I'm not sure any are really setting L1 alight this season. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 26, 2023 18:20:55 GMT
We should also then acknowledge that some peoples principles are Team first, Manager second. People who didn't like Barton for personal reasons are not necessarily right. I understand what you are trying to say here Hugo. I had to separate Barton the person from Barton the Manager. I didn't give up on the team and continued to support the team. However, where do you draw the line? Would we accept Lee Hughes? Luke McCormick? Ched Evans? Surely every football fan has their own moral compass and red (I mean blue) line that they wouldn't cross? Yes they do, but it is not up to us to decide that for anyone, just as they should not condem us for our stance. There is a lot of grey areas that most would have us belive are all black and white. There is merit to supporting something, no matter what. There is also merit in giving up on something for personal values. We can't go on tearing lumps out of one another. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 26, 2023 18:22:59 GMT
I understand what you are trying to say here Hugo. I had to separate Barton the person from Barton the Manager. I didn't give up on the team and continued to support the team. However, where do you draw the line? Would we accept Lee Hughes? Luke McCormick? Ched Evans? Surely every football fan has their own moral compass and red (I mean blue) line that they wouldn't cross? Yes they do, but it is not up to us to decide that for anyone, just as they should not condem us for our stance. There is a lot of grey areas that most would have us belive are all black and white. There is merit to supporting something, no matter what. There is also merit in giving up on something for personal values. We can't go on tearing lumps out of one another. Very wise words. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2023 18:24:34 GMT
I am not a fan of Barton as a man, but as a football manager (only) he has my respect. He turned the club around on the football pitch, and we were starting to build a decent football team in League One (again). He is a decent manager who will have no trouble finding another club. I find this a strange time to let him go. He has a long contract and whilst we have not set League One on fire (yet), we are not even halfway through the season. Given that we always start slowly I still had expectations for this season. As many have said, a devisive character who regularly embarasses the club, so hopefully we can move forward as a unified fanbase again. Absolutely critical we get the right person in, there is still potentially a promotion to be had this season (or next). UTG I agree with what you say apart from the bit about next season in brackets. I feel Barton very much built this squad with only the now in mind. Lots of players on the books in the twilight of their careers and a massive rebuilding job to do in the summer. I think Barton saw this summer as a last throw of the dice to get a move either from winning promotion to the championship and staying or moving on to another club if it didn’t really work out. He probably also saw it as the best chance in years to make at least the play offs, only Pompey really look strong this season out of bigger clubs. Stevenage didn't look anything that special on Tuesday night and they've been top 3/top 6 for most of the session. |
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Post by aghast on Oct 26, 2023 18:44:44 GMT
Now it's actually happened I hope he can take his exit with some dignity and not kick off in the press.
He was backed loyally by Wael and given a lot of resources to do the job, but results and other factors undermined him to the point where it was becoming difficult to accept he was actually doing a good job, on and off the pitch.
I'd be sad if we were to hear some negative stuff from him in the days and weeks ahead. He was allowed to have a good go at it and it didn't work out, so hopefully he can accept that and keep it on a reasonable level. Of course he'll be upset by it, but football management is a very insecure profession.
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Post by percy on Oct 26, 2023 18:52:00 GMT
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Post by bidefordgas on Oct 26, 2023 18:53:28 GMT
Now it's actually happened I hope he can take his exit with some dignity and not kick off in the press. He was backed loyally by Wael and given a lot of resources to do the job, but results and other factors undermined him to the point where it was becoming difficult to accept he was actually doing a good job, on and off the pitch. I'd be sad if we were to hear some negative stuff from him in the days and weeks ahead. He was allowed to have a good go at it and it didn't work out, so hopefully he can accept that and keep it on a reasonable level. Of course he'll be upset by it, but football management is a very insecure profession. In fairness to Joey, he did not slag Fleetwood off after leaving them, so as far as I am concerned who wont do it to us. |
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Post by mayhews on Oct 26, 2023 18:54:06 GMT
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Post by bidefordgas on Oct 26, 2023 18:55:37 GMT
Fairplay to him, absolute class! |
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Post by richie on Oct 26, 2023 18:55:49 GMT
How would you place any success we might have this season. JB would surely get some credit?
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Oct 26, 2023 19:00:33 GMT
Usual problem with new owners thinking they know more about football than people who have been involved all of their lives. I can see all of the loan players being recalled and a few others wanting to leave. Only question is how many relegations now. I think i have given up on them now. We had one under JB. Loan players cannot be recalled is the general concensus this season? I shouldn't have thought Chelsea are completely happy with us playing Vale at LB... A move made by Barton |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 26, 2023 19:03:12 GMT
Crumbs. He'd be the best thing since.... Never mind, I'll get my coat. |
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Oct 26, 2023 19:06:31 GMT
We had one under JB. Loan players cannot be recalled is the general concensus this season? Clubs will no doubt assess the position, if the new manager starts winning games and giving loan players game time, then why would they recall them? If they did in January I assume there's plenty more the new manager can bring in to replace them. Apart from Vale I'm not sure any are really setting L1 alight this season. Still rather have Vale, Cox, Crama, Woods and Bogarde than Abraham, Daniels, Clarke-Salter, Jakubiak and Mitchell-Lawson! |
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Post by singupgas on Oct 26, 2023 19:07:40 GMT
Think we will regret this decision.  |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 26, 2023 19:09:54 GMT
Clubs will no doubt assess the position, if the new manager starts winning games and giving loan players game time, then why would they recall them? If they did in January I assume there's plenty more the new manager can bring in to replace them. Apart from Vale I'm not sure any are really setting L1 alight this season. Still rather have Vale, Cox, Crama, Woods and Bogarde than Abraham, Daniels, Clarke-Salter, Jakubiak and Mitchell-Lawson! But is it a fair comparison? Because I feel like Barton has been backed a lot more than Garner etc. I can't back that up admittedly but I'm pretty sure he has? |
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Post by smudge1 on Oct 26, 2023 19:10:46 GMT
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Post by olskooltoteender on Oct 26, 2023 19:11:15 GMT
I am not a fan of Barton as a man, but as a football manager (only) he has my respect. He turned the club around on the football pitch, and we were starting to build a decent football team in League One (again). He is a decent manager who will have no trouble finding another club. I find this a strange time to let him go. He has a long contract and whilst we have not set League One on fire (yet), we are not even halfway through the season. Given that we always start slowly I still had expectations for this season. As many have said, a devisive character who regularly embarasses the club, so hopefully we can move forward as a unified fanbase again. Absolutely critical we get the right person in, there is still potentially a promotion to be had this season (or next). UTG I agree with what you say apart from the bit about next season in brackets. I feel Barton very much built this squad with only the now in mind. Lots of players on the books in the twilight of their careers and a massive rebuilding job to do in the summer. I think Barton saw this summer as a last throw of the dice to get a move either from winning promotion to the championship and staying or moving on to another club if it didn’t really work out. I think you’re bang on there, Soc - we all probably thought that this season would be the best chance we’d get to achieve promotion to the Championship cos it’s the weakest it’s been for a while and JB saw the same thing. Hey Ho . . . |
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Post by Big Jock on Oct 26, 2023 19:12:10 GMT
Can only assume the new owners weren’t blinded by his BS and didn’t like how he represented the club. Results weren’t quite at the sacking point yet. Would like to see some continuity but Eustace would be amazing. Cant wait for the mouth to start throwing a tantrum.  |
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Post by tbonegas on Oct 26, 2023 19:12:28 GMT
Absolute shambles of a decision. Joey Barton was our best chance of getting us out of this division, but has not been given the time to complete the job he has started. Evolution not revolution. |
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Oct 26, 2023 19:13:23 GMT
Very nice words from JB , but it shouldn't detract from the fact we won 4 games out of 13 this season and god knows how many in the
calender year.
Right decision in the end , regretable only if we f**k up the next appointment, and go backwards.
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