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Post by Jomo on Oct 27, 2023 6:52:59 GMT
He's had a massive outpouring of support all over social media today. I don't think I've ever seen as much love for a manager that has been sacked as this. It seems 95% of the fan base don't want to see him fired. That's hilarious. I suggest it's the other way round and only 5% of fans wanted him to stay. As a "centrist" in this debate, I'd just like to say that on the extremes of both sides of the argument, it is just overblown bias, which massively reduces the impact of any points you make. Just like those that blindly defend Barton in everything he did or does, you are an example blinded by bias on the opposite end of the spectrum. There are many Rovers fans that like Barton and appreciate what he did for the club. Why can't you try to respect that? |
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Post by mftc on Oct 27, 2023 7:05:24 GMT
Clubs will no doubt assess the position, if the new manager starts winning games and giving loan players game time, then why would they recall them? If they did in January I assume there's plenty more the new manager can bring in to replace them. Apart from Vale I'm not sure any are really setting L1 alight this season. Still rather have Vale, Cox, Crama, Woods and Bogarde than Abraham, Daniels, Clarke-Salter, Jakubiak and Mitchell-Lawson! Yeah it's amazing that no one previously brought in that class of player when the budget was exactly the same(sic). |
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Post by smudge1 on Oct 27, 2023 7:35:07 GMT
I just want us to move on and personally I want to enjoy going again. Simples! UTG
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 7:47:54 GMT
That's hilarious. I suggest it's the other way round and only 5% of fans wanted him to stay. As a "centrist" in this debate, I'd just like to say that on the extremes of both sides of the argument, it is just overblown bias, which massively reduces the impact of any points you make. Just like those that blindly defend Barton in everything he did or does, you are an example blinded by bias on the opposite end of the spectrum. There are many Rovers fans that like Barton and appreciate what he did for the club. Why can't you try to respect that? I completely get what you are saying. My comment was a flippant response to a ridiculous comment that was based on nothing but the posters emotional bias towards JB. As a Centrist, are you happy with any manager assembling the best squad (and most expensive wage bill) ever and returning 1.23 pts per game this season? The really interesting thing is, remove the name JB and I think any manager in that situation would be sacked. Remove the name JB and most of the fan base would be unhappy with that return and calling for the owners to do something before its too late. And for what did he do for the club. As a centrist, what do you think he did? |
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Post by thegasareback on Oct 27, 2023 7:50:04 GMT
I’m on the fence and can see both sides to the argument
Pro
Good links to get some decent loans in, EA / HV.
Brand of play improved, getting it down and trying to play which the fans appreciate. In saying that I didn’t see much of that Tuesday night.
Got our rovers back from the mess it was in.
Built a strong squad
Con
None of his teams have ever been able to defend. Goals against column always worse than position for us and Fleetwood. As such that will always hinder him.
Doesn’t represent the club well from a reputation perspective. Fat man / weeble is just rude and insulting and no need, Evans spoke well of Barton in his pre match presser. And the constant ref abuse and singling out of players isn’t what rovers is about.
We’ve got our highest ever budget, arguably our most talented squad for years, yet results and performances have been poor as a whole this season.
Ultimately we are supporters of the shirts as opposed to the individual players inside them and the manager picking the team. We may form allegiances to certain individuals but we will be here on the terraces supporting regardless of individuals. Manager number 27 of my lifetime is about to join us and I’ll support them as much as I supported Joey et al.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 7:51:16 GMT
I just want us to move on and personally I want to enjoy going again. Simples! UTG It's a bit like the grieving process. As a fan base we need go through: denial anger bargaining depression acceptance We should be doing that as a collective for this all to be healthy. |
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Post by percy on Oct 27, 2023 7:56:39 GMT
Must admit felt weird last night, like I'd just split up with a long-term girlfriend who it was definitely right to move on from, but with thoughts of what could have been making me feel a little gutted. He did get us, but still made it about him too often, no one is perfect but he could have tried a little harder to make it work!
I was against the appointment, but excited once he started talking a good game. Will never forget the spring of love and the incredible promotion. He has brought some players in I have loved watching, but time and time again I was left with a bad taste after something he said or did and for a year, the football hasnt been good enough to ignore it. Eventually you have to realise they arent going to change and its time to move on.
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Post by eric on Oct 27, 2023 8:09:44 GMT
He's had a massive outpouring of support all over social media today. I don't think I've ever seen as much love for a manager that has been sacked as this. It seems 95% of the fan base don't want to see him fired. That's hilarious. I suggest it's the other way round and only 5% of fans wanted him to stay. Like many areas of modern life it’s the minority making most of the noise and getting carried away with their perceptions of self importance. I’ve seen lots of managers sacked (both at Rovers and elsewhere) and in most cases there is a gradual growing and vocal expression of dissatisfaction towards the manager. Those attending games are the most important and I didn’t sense 95% of the crowd were demanding his sacking. |
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 27, 2023 8:27:09 GMT
Must admit felt weird last night, like I'd just split up with a long-term girlfriend who it was definitely right to move on from, but with thoughts of what could have been making me feel a little gutted. He did get us, but still made it about him too often, no one is perfect but he could have tried a little harder to make it work! I was against the appointment, but excited once he started talking a good game. Will never forget the spring of love and the incredible promotion. He has brought some players in I have loved watching, but time and time again I was left with a bad taste after something he said or did and for a year, the football hasnt been good enough to ignore it. Eventually you have to realise they arent going to change and its time to move on. Funny you describe it like that Percy that's exactly how I felt last night 😂 I described it to my mates as feeling like I'd split up with the missus 😂. Times a great healer. Just need that new manager in now who's an upgrade and not just get a few managers in that are rebounds. |
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 27, 2023 8:29:01 GMT
That's hilarious. I suggest it's the other way round and only 5% of fans wanted him to stay. Like many areas of modern life it’s the minority making most of the noise and getting carried away with their perceptions of self importance. I’ve seen lots of managers sacked (both at Rovers and elsewhere) and in most cases there is a gradual growing and vocal expression of dissatisfaction towards the manager. Those attending games are the most important and I didn’t sense 95% of the crowd were demanding his sacking. It's worth noting that Rovers fans are incredibly passive. Some of the absolutely absurd stuff that's happened with regards to running the club this century has been reacted to with a collective sigh and shrug. It's a rarity that Gasheads do much more than that. |
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Post by eric on Oct 27, 2023 8:40:18 GMT
Like many areas of modern life it’s the minority making most of the noise and getting carried away with their perceptions of self importance. I’ve seen lots of managers sacked (both at Rovers and elsewhere) and in most cases there is a gradual growing and vocal expression of dissatisfaction towards the manager. Those attending games are the most important and I didn’t sense 95% of the crowd were demanding his sacking. It's worth noting that Rovers fans are incredibly passive. Some of the absolutely absurd stuff that's happened with regards to running the club this century has been reacted to with a collective sigh and shrug. It's a rarity that Gasheads do much more than that. Agree to some extent, particularly off field stuff, but I’ve definitely heard the crowd turn in managers in the past - but not JB which is odd when apparently 95% wanted him gone !! |
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 27, 2023 8:50:53 GMT
It's worth noting that Rovers fans are incredibly passive. Some of the absolutely absurd stuff that's happened with regards to running the club this century has been reacted to with a collective sigh and shrug. It's a rarity that Gasheads do much more than that. Agree to some extent, particularly off field stuff, but I’ve definitely heard the crowd turn in managers in the past - but not JB which is odd when apparently 95% wanted him gone !! A large percentage did want rid, similar to a large percentage not wanting him in the first place. That said I haven't a clue on the exact percentiles and I'm not really arsed about it. I've seen some hyperbole from both sides. |
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Post by Jomo on Oct 27, 2023 9:10:00 GMT
As a "centrist" in this debate, I'd just like to say that on the extremes of both sides of the argument, it is just overblown bias, which massively reduces the impact of any points you make. Just like those that blindly defend Barton in everything he did or does, you are an example blinded by bias on the opposite end of the spectrum. There are many Rovers fans that like Barton and appreciate what he did for the club. Why can't you try to respect that? I completely get what you are saying. My comment was a flippant response to a ridiculous comment that was based on nothing but the posters emotional bias towards JB. As a Centrist, are you happy with any manager assembling the best squad (and most expensive wage bill) ever and returning 1.23 pts per game this season? The really interesting thing is, remove the name JB and I think any manager in that situation would be sacked. Remove the name JB and most of the fan base would be unhappy with that return and calling for the owners to do something before its too late. And for what did he do for the club. As a centrist, what do you think he did? To answer your questions, I wouldn't say I'm happy with the points return, but I think there are enough extenuating circumstances and enough credit in the bank, and signs, that we could have turned it around once players returned from injury and we clicked a bit more. I think it's too early to sack him on footballing terms, and hiring someone else is a big gamble. That's regardless of the name JB or not, I'd say the same about any manager and I certainly don't have blind faith in Barton, I just favour stability, the lack of which 3 years ago saw us go from an established L1 club to a basket case in less than 18 months. What do I think he did for the club? He certainly sorted out what was a dire track record of recruitment, and improved playing standards across the board, and did what many others struggle to do in reality and got us straight back up and kept us back in L1 pretty easily. Sadly his in-game tactical knowledge was what was lacking more often than not. |
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Post by adrian301 on Oct 27, 2023 9:12:57 GMT
I sit in the stand behind the dugouts. Barton is usually always in his technical area arguing with the 4th official or shouting instructions to the team. 2nd half on Tuesday I hardly saw him. It appeared that Whelan was sorting out the substitutions. Maybe Barton already knew something....
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 27, 2023 9:14:53 GMT
Almost every single message I have seen has been positive towards him. We must have very different following accounts That's something we can be proud of as a group of fans. It would be easy for 'Barton Haters' to hit out at him, its good to see that they are showing restraint. Your comment that I was responding to was "It seems 95% of the fan base don't want to see him fired." 50 messages doesn't equate to 95% of the fanbase. If you had said "95% of the messages I've seen have been wishing him all the best and thanking him" Then I would agree with that and I think that is something we can all be proud of as a collective. I don't think that many people hated him to be fair. |
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Post by eric on Oct 27, 2023 9:32:14 GMT
Agree to some extent, particularly off field stuff, but I’ve definitely heard the crowd turn in managers in the past - but not JB which is odd when apparently 95% wanted him gone !! A large percentage did want rid, similar to a large percentage not wanting him in the first place. That said I haven't a clue on the exact percentiles and I'm not really arsed about it. I've seen some hyperbole from both sides. Nobody will have data to give exact percentiles, in which case crowd numbers and crowd reaction to the manager is the best barometer we have. If there was a clear majority wanting him out it would have been very obvious for everyone using their eyes and ears inside the stadium. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 27, 2023 10:01:39 GMT
Must admit felt weird last night, like I'd just split up with a long-term girlfriend who it was definitely right to move on from, but with thoughts of what could have been making me feel a little gutted. He did get us, but still made it about him too often, no one is perfect but he could have tried a little harder to make it work! I was against the appointment, but excited once he started talking a good game. Will never forget the spring of love and the incredible promotion. He has brought some players in I have loved watching, but time and time again I was left with a bad taste after something he said or did and for a year, the football hasnt been good enough to ignore it. Eventually you have to realise they arent going to change and its time to move on. Really good post. I'm somewhere near that. I was never an inny or an outy, but swayed to being out as nearer the two until he was in. (If that makes sense?) I tried to look at things objectively. The in was for me is taking us to GC levels. All I wanted for him was to be given a chance. A fair chance away from his home and distractions. After hearing some of the back room staff comments on his first few days at the club in 2019, I think many would have been pushed further out as some were made to feel excluded. He has brought us amazing times of exhilaration, some of the like we will never see again, and I generally like characters, especially characters that are different.....but he just couldn't shrug that millstone of his bizarre comments that just weren't necessary and exposure sometimes in controversial circumstances in a negative light. His handling of Belshaw and Thomas despicable. His handling of Nick Anderton and some others, admirable. A perpetual bag of tricks, but I don't go to support the management, I support the team. The club....well, that's a different story. |
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 27, 2023 10:04:36 GMT
I've spoke to the dad of one of the young players in and around the first team and apparently the players are all devastated with his sacking. 😪. Il reiterate again behind the scenes the club has never been better or more professional than it currently is which just shows the work JB did for us.
I think the new guy to come in will have his work cut out to pull this season around.
Really Important we get this appointment right and find someone who can pick the players up or the season could end in disaster.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 27, 2023 10:05:30 GMT
Like many areas of modern life it’s the minority making most of the noise and getting carried away with their perceptions of self importance. I’ve seen lots of managers sacked (both at Rovers and elsewhere) and in most cases there is a gradual growing and vocal expression of dissatisfaction towards the manager. Those attending games are the most important and I didn’t sense 95% of the crowd were demanding his sacking. It's worth noting that Rovers fans are incredibly passive. Some of the absolutely absurd stuff that's happened with regards to running the club this century has been reacted to with a collective sigh and shrug. It's a rarity that Gasheads do much more than that. Huh.....really? Oh, well......*shrug!* |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Oct 27, 2023 10:15:29 GMT
It's worth noting that Rovers fans are incredibly passive. Some of the absolutely absurd stuff that's happened with regards to running the club this century has been reacted to with a collective sigh and shrug. It's a rarity that Gasheads do much more than that. Huh.....really? Oh, well......*shrug!* 😂 |
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