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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 27, 2023 13:19:42 GMT
Clubs with long term success have a vision and philosophy that runs through the whole system and builds on previous work even with a change of manager. Starting again with random choices (as we did for many years) can give short term success but usually leads to long term decline. Purely based on football I think sacking Barton makes no sense but if we appoint someone likely to build on what he started I can forgive the decision. The next choice will reveal how much vision is coming from the club and ho much change has been driven purely by the motivation of managers (Clarke and Barton) rather than anything greater than that. Completely agree. JB essentially overhauled everything at the club, which ultimately resulted in Starnes and Tommy Widdrington leaving the club. This to me at the time felt like a total abandonment of whatever strategy that was in place then, which I think was essentially "suck it and see" philosophy with each appointment, was thrown out. This struck me as the club openly admitting that they had no idea what they were doing. Now that JB has gone, what strategy do we have now? Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic. Maybe the good things people cite are seen as bad things by the new owners? Let's agree for the sake of argument that JB was single handedly pulling the club up to a new age of professionalism. Let's say he had a massively powerful remit and Rovers was very much his Club from top to bottom. Many would say, wow that's amazing, what a top bloke he is to be doing all this with his own team. Is it possible that this strength and status within the club could be seen as threatening to the new owners? We've probably all seen it in our own jobs. I worked somewhere where a new senior manager came in and made massive wholesale changes just to break up all power dynamics within the middle management team. They didn't care who was good at what, they just wanted to ensure they had all the power. Given we know chuff all about the owners, it's not unreasonable to think they may want more control than Wael did and were just unhappy at what they perceived as Bartons stranglehold on the club? |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 27, 2023 13:19:59 GMT
Said it before say it now the People running the club have zero plan . Making it up as they go along , anyone who thinks this will end well is deluded . We are going full circle again I see the same outcome- I soooo hope I’m wrong ! UTG 💙 |
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Post by bidefordgas on Oct 27, 2023 13:20:01 GMT
This cannot be only for footballing reasons. Have i missed where the club explain exactly how they have reached this decision? Don’t think we will ever know why. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 27, 2023 13:21:57 GMT
This cannot be only for footballing reasons. Have i missed where the club explain exactly how they have reached this decision? Exactly! much more to it ! doubt that we will ever know 🤔💙utg |
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Post by chelios on Oct 27, 2023 13:26:37 GMT
This cannot be only for footballing reasons. Have i missed where the club explain exactly how they have reached this decision? Don’t think we will ever know why. That's a shame. Ultimately despite it being "our club" I understand it's not and it has an ownership structure who can do whatever the hell they like. All I'd like to know is the how they made the decision to do whatever the hell they like so I can hold them accountable for it (for good or bad). The statement right now isn't enough for me. Anyway, see you all at the Mem tomorrow as per. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 27, 2023 13:30:13 GMT
Completely agree. JB essentially overhauled everything at the club, which ultimately resulted in Starnes and Tommy Widdrington leaving the club. This to me at the time felt like a total abandonment of whatever strategy that was in place then, which I think was essentially "suck it and see" philosophy with each appointment, was thrown out. This struck me as the club openly admitting that they had no idea what they were doing. Now that JB has gone, what strategy do we have now? Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic. Maybe the good things people cite are seen as bad things by the new owners? Let's agree for the sake of argument that JB was single handedly pulling the club up to a new age of professionalism. Let's say he had a massively powerful remit and Rovers was very much his Club from top to bottom. Many would say, wow that's amazing, what a top bloke he is to be doing all this with his own team. Is it possible that this strength and status within the club could be seen as threatening to the new owners? We've probably all seen it in our own jobs. I worked somewhere where a new senior manager came in and made massive wholesale changes just to break up all power dynamics within the middle management team. They didn't care who was good at what, they just wanted to ensure they had all the power. Given we know chuff all about the owners, it's not unreasonable to think they may want more control than Wael did and were just unhappy at what they perceived as Bartons stranglehold on the club? Good point 👍💙Utg |
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 27, 2023 13:37:53 GMT
Completely agree. JB essentially overhauled everything at the club, which ultimately resulted in Starnes and Tommy Widdrington leaving the club. This to me at the time felt like a total abandonment of whatever strategy that was in place then, which I think was essentially "suck it and see" philosophy with each appointment, was thrown out. This struck me as the club openly admitting that they had no idea what they were doing. Now that JB has gone, what strategy do we have now? Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic. Maybe the good things people cite are seen as bad things by the new owners? Let's agree for the sake of argument that JB was single handedly pulling the club up to a new age of professionalism. Let's say he had a massively powerful remit and Rovers was very much his Club from top to bottom. Many would say, wow that's amazing, what a top bloke he is to be doing all this with his own team. Is it possible that this strength and status within the club could be seen as threatening to the new owners? We've probably all seen it in our own jobs. I worked somewhere where a new senior manager came in and made massive wholesale changes just to break up all power dynamics within the middle management team. They didn't care who was good at what, they just wanted to ensure they had all the power. Given we know chuff all about the owners, it's not unreasonable to think they may want more control than Wael did and were just unhappy at what they perceived as Bartons stranglehold on the club? I could see this being the case. Wael wasnt a daily hands on owner, which is why it seemed a tad chaotic when Hamer and Starnes were at the helm, they ran the show and he provided the money. This new crew seem to be very hands on, they are at every game and I can imagine they are turning over every stone and opening every cupboard and theyll sweep out what they dont like. Facts are, since january, we have been poor and its been a poor start to the season with arguably the best squad and backroom team the club has ever had. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 13:38:34 GMT
Sure there was something in the past where it came out that he paid for some backroom coaching analysis staff out of his own pocket?
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Post by percy on Oct 27, 2023 13:39:13 GMT
Maybe the good things people cite are seen as bad things by the new owners? Let's agree for the sake of argument that JB was single handedly pulling the club up to a new age of professionalism. Let's say he had a massively powerful remit and Rovers was very much his Club from top to bottom. Many would say, wow that's amazing, what a top bloke he is to be doing all this with his own team. Is it possible that this strength and status within the club could be seen as threatening to the new owners? We've probably all seen it in our own jobs. I worked somewhere where a new senior manager came in and made massive wholesale changes just to break up all power dynamics within the middle management team. They didn't care who was good at what, they just wanted to ensure they had all the power. Given we know chuff all about the owners, it's not unreasonable to think they may want more control than Wael did and were just unhappy at what they perceived as Bartons stranglehold on the club? I could see this being the case. Wael wasnt a daily hands on owner, which is why it seemed a tad chaotic when Hamer and Starnes were at the helm, they ran the show and he provided the money. This new crew seem to be very hands on, they are at every game and I can imagine they are turning over every stone and opening every cupboard and theyll sweep out what they dont like. Facts are, since january, we have been poor and its been a poor start to the season with arguably the best squad and backroom team the club has ever had. agreed, which is why I would expect TG gone by the summer at the latest. Nothing against him, have liked a lot of what he has done, but expect they will want someone that can fill some of the vacuum left by Barton |
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Post by blueridge on Oct 27, 2023 13:39:19 GMT
I’d wager that Wael would have been opposed to this decision and will not be a happy bunny. John Marquis comments as a senior pro at the club were interesting and will likely reflect the feelings of the majority of the playing staff. IMO this is a quantum leap backwards removing him at this stage despite poor results recently - I will not be the slightest bit surprised if there is a crowd reaction of sort tomorrow. I cannot see one candidate listed on the betting odds who I would want here over JB.
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Post by percy on Oct 27, 2023 13:41:38 GMT
I’d wager that Wael would have been opposed to this decision and will not be a happy bunny. John Marquis comments as a senior pro at the club were interesting and will likely reflect the feelings of the majority of the playing staff. IMO this is a quantum leap backwards removing him at this stage despite poor results recently - I will not be the slightest bit surprised if there is a crowd reaction of sort tomorrow. I cannot see one candidate listed on the betting odds who I would want here over JB. If we lose there will be a negative reaction, and win and everyone will be more positive! Simple folks us fans. The coaching staff need to show their mettle and get this "best squad ever" playing for the shirt and the fans. Think they will, Mangs did well when Joey's mouth gave him a leave of absence at the start of the season. |
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Post by blueridge on Oct 27, 2023 13:56:30 GMT
I’d wager that Wael would have been opposed to this decision and will not be a happy bunny. John Marquis comments as a senior pro at the club were interesting and will likely reflect the feelings of the majority of the playing staff. IMO this is a quantum leap backwards removing him at this stage despite poor results recently - I will not be the slightest bit surprised if there is a crowd reaction of sort tomorrow. I cannot see one candidate listed on the betting odds who I would want here over JB. If we lose there will be a negative reaction, and win and everyone will be more positive! Simple folks us fans. The coaching staff need to show their mettle and get this "best squad ever" playing for the shirt and the fans. Think they will, Mangs did well when Joey's mouth gave him a leave of absence at the start of the season. This won’t be judged over one game - “Mangs” had more than a few more players to choose from at the start of the season than what JB has had available recently. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 27, 2023 14:08:20 GMT
Good heavens. Embarrassing. Over 5000 on Instagram have thanked Joey, the haters on here are in the minority. Who said I'm a hater? It's embarrassing to start a petition to get a manager back for us who was mediocre. Makes us look tinpot. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 27, 2023 14:17:17 GMT
I’d wager that Wael would have been opposed to this decision and will not be a happy bunny. John Marquis comments as a senior pro at the club were interesting and will likely reflect the feelings of the majority of the playing staff. IMO this is a quantum leap backwards removing him at this stage despite poor results recently - I will not be the slightest bit surprised if there is a crowd reaction of sort tomorrow. I cannot see one candidate listed on the betting odds who I would want here over JB. It won’t be one of those managers on the current betting lists. |
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Post by jungleboogie on Oct 27, 2023 14:22:59 GMT
Good heavens. Embarrassing. Over 5000 on Instagram have thanked Joey, the haters on here are in the minority. Well, he's got 135k followers on Instagram, and 5k 'likes' not messages of 'thanks', so that is less than 5%, so clearly the majority haven't thanked him if those are the figures you want to run with  |
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Post by oviedista on Oct 27, 2023 14:34:32 GMT
Over 5000 on Instagram have thanked Joey, the haters on here are in the minority. Well, he's got 135k followers on Instagram, and 5k 'likes' not messages of 'thanks', so that is less than 5%, so clearly the majority haven't thanked him if those are the figures you want to run with I think you may be slightly overestimating the percentage of his followers that are Rovers fans. |
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Post by jungleboogie on Oct 27, 2023 14:40:33 GMT
Well, he's got 135k followers on Instagram, and 5k 'likes' not messages of 'thanks', so that is less than 5%, so clearly the majority haven't thanked him if those are the figures you want to run with I think you may be slightly overestimating the percentage of his followers that are Rovers fans. Exactly, so can't be going around saying 5k have thanked him in relation to how many didn't like him on here. |
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Post by popuppirate on Oct 27, 2023 14:46:53 GMT
In footballing matters it seemed to me it was consistency that was the issue. Consistent teams, performances and tactics would have been less interesting but I don't ever think he considered a 'best 11'; each game was a 'project' and no-one knew who'd play where or when. He'd built a squad without a team.
I think most of us believe we've had a squad capable of reaching the playoffs, maybe a player or two short, but money was obviously available to him.
Some of the football was excellent, and some of the memories are of legendary status, but there was a lot of mediocrity and frustration in more than equal measures.
On balance I think it's the right decision, although I'm a bit disappointed too as it always felt like we were on the verge of getting somewhere. Ultimately, the league is full of fairly average teams that are well organised and tough to break down. We tend to struggle against those teams and it looked like that pattern would just repeat itself throughout the season. My guess is we'd have finished around 10th or possibly lower.
As for him personally, some of his interviews post match were the best I've heard for honesty and at times inspirational. I'm sure the players bought into him. As for the negative stuff, some of it embarrassed me as someone living outside Bristol for being associated with. The consensus in general is that he's an idiot and a thug. That gets quite hard to argue with unfortunately. As has been said many times, it felt like we weren't far away from another scandal or outburst. I supported him as our manager, and would thank him genuinely for his time here, but I agree it's time to move on.
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Post by The Equaliser on Oct 27, 2023 14:57:02 GMT
Over 5000 on Instagram have thanked Joey, the haters on here are in the minority. Who said I'm a hater? It's embarrassing to start a petition to get a manager back for us who was mediocre. Makes us look tinpot. But according to most we are tinpot 🤷🏽♀️ |
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Post by bobbyjones on Oct 27, 2023 15:04:12 GMT
In footballing matters it seemed to me it was consistency that was the issue. Consistent teams, performances and tactics would have been less interesting but I don't ever think he considered a 'best 11'; each game was a 'project' and no-one knew who'd play where or when. He'd built a squad without a team. I think most of us believe we've had a squad capable of reaching the playoffs, maybe a player or two short, but money was obviously available to him. Some of the football was excellent, and some of the memories are of legendary status, but there was a lot of mediocrity and frustration in more than equal measures. On balance I think it's the right decision, although I'm a bit disappointed too as it always felt like we were on the verge of getting somewhere. Ultimately, the league is full of fairly average teams that are well organised and tough to break down. We tend to struggle against those teams and it looked like that pattern would just repeat itself throughout the season. My guess is we'd have finished around 10th or possibly lower. As for him personally, some of his interviews post match were the best I've heard for honesty and at times inspirational. I'm sure the players bought into him. As for the negative stuff, some of it embarrassed me as someone living outside Bristol for being associated with. The consensus in general is that he's an idiot and a thug. That gets quite hard to argue with unfortunately. As has been said many times, it felt like we weren't far away from another scandal or outburst. I supported him as our manager, and would thank him genuinely for his time here, but I agree it's time to move on. Should control his tongue, as well as his fists, never be a manager again. |
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