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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 22, 2023 8:52:32 GMT
The only hope now is Crama, and when he finally returns Wilson, can shore up the defence.
Although the next thing is Cox's confidence will be shot!
Incidentally there's zero proof TG ever gave an interview, that's another Rovers mystery.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 8:52:41 GMT
The Peterborough, Oxford and Burton games were identical in how we started the games bar Burton we scored first. In the other two we started ever so well, Peterborough were under the clash for the first 20 mins, Oxford should have been losing……..but in all cases, the opposition managers work us out, they tactically outsmart Barton and he doesn’t know what to do to change it. It’s the usual throw on the subs stuff, we don’t come back and win games that often when losing.
Stubborn, we are not Man City, he won’t change his principles, he openly laughs at managers how they set up their teams, he said it about Ainsworth at Wycombe, Joey you have never ever got us in 6th place for one game since you have been here?!
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Post by kampucheagas on Oct 22, 2023 8:54:03 GMT
Lots of conflicting opinions on this topic, as within most clubs I suppose!
All I look for in a manager is, is he developing an obvious style and is he developing players into better ones?
So far it’s hard to judge. Some weeks we look world beaters, others we look like relegation fodder. The injuries haven’t helped.
BUT I always think good managers adapt and get the best out of their hand. We never look solid on the flanks, and for all the decent footballers we have, how many are ‘ours’? Possibly the only real assets we have are Taylor and Azza. Although on current form I can’t see him attracting big offers in Jan.
My fear is, as someone else suggested, we have become lazy with our signings, relying too heavily on loans and not having a long term vision. How many of Cox, Crama, Bogarde, Woods will be here next season? Makes it very hard to gain momentum, unless you go up
And let’s face it, we aren’t going up
I’m sure the passion is there from JB, but you do wonder whether he’s a ticking time bomb ready to give up on the ‘mess’ he will blame on the club and the owners.
I’d snap your hand off for Wilder if he’s up for a challenge!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 8:56:03 GMT
you may as well ring jurassic Park to see if they can provide a up to date list on your dinosaur thinking of management See, you’ve been quite personal a few times with roady now…it makes you look like a twat, not him. tetchy. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 8:57:08 GMT
Thanks Gasdust, ironically someone text me this morning asking me what’s his beef with me?!
Classic bloke again hiding behind a user name and trolling.
My dinosaur thinking isn’t dinosaur in the game, many clubs with low budgets still play this way, Bonner and Maamria played as we did that day at Portman Road under Cogs, we sat back, used Tyler Smith’s pace, just like yesterday.
Wilder played a direct approach at Oxford and Cobbers, he reinvented himself at Shef United just as Holloway did at Blackpool. All Barton has to do is change his principles at times.
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Post by devonwhite9 on Oct 22, 2023 9:04:51 GMT
Thanks Gasdust, ironically someone text me this morning asking me what’s his beef with me?! Classic bloke again hiding behind a user name and trolling. My dinosaur thinking isn’t dinosaur in the game, many clubs with low budgets still play this way, Bonner and Maamria played as we did that day at Portman Road under Cogs, we sat back, used Tyler Smith’s pace, just like yesterday. Wilder played a direct approach at Oxford and Cobbers, he reinvented himself at Shef United just as Holloway did at Blackpool. All Barton has to do is change his principles at times. I agree and I think it was something DC was good at. One example was bringing on McChrystal specifically to deal with Akinfenwa as the opposition's only approach was to go long to him. Akinfenwa was nullified, sent off, and we won the game. It wasn't pretty but it got the job done |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 9:14:17 GMT
Thanks Gasdust, ironically someone text me this morning asking me what’s his beef with me?! Classic bloke again hiding behind a user name and trolling. My dinosaur thinking isn’t dinosaur in the game, many clubs with low budgets still play this way, Bonner and Maamria played as we did that day at Portman Road under Cogs, we sat back, used Tyler Smith’s pace, just like yesterday. Wilder played a direct approach at Oxford and Cobbers, he reinvented himself at Shef United just as Holloway did at Blackpool. All Barton has to do is change his principles at times. I agree and I think it was something DC was good at. One example was bringing on McChrystal specifically to deal with Akinfenwa as the opposition's only approach was to go long to him. Akinfenwa was nullified, sent off, and we won the game. It wasn't pretty but it got the job done I remember this as well but fans don’t want to talk the deeper stuff in football. Some managers have total belief that we do our thing and the opposition worry about us, this was us in the Conference in the end. You can do this when you have a great side and they all work to the formula, where as we don’t. Imagine saying yesterday, we are keeping it tight, we will frustrate them? Nope, we do what the scouting report says, they don’t score many on the road, they will come at us from the start, soak it up, they tire, we score and they then chase the game and they don’t score a lot, we counter them again and again, it happens every week away! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 9:15:12 GMT
See, you’ve been quite personal a few times with roady now…it makes you look like a twat, not him. tetchy. Not at all, just calling it for what it is. |
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Post by mftc on Oct 22, 2023 9:15:41 GMT
Not sure if it the world we live in, but everything needs to happen now.
Is our record so different to Megson or Bobby Campbell (albeit a higher division). I can't recall so much disapproval - especially after a defeat.
Win and JB is the bees knees and lose and he should get sacked.
The problem as I see it, is the short-term view. All the loans means that every season we need good summer recruitment. A lot of the "experience" he has brought in, won't be around next season. How many players will we have to bring in 10+? How does that help, as it takes a few months to get organized and your already on the back foot.
I would guess flexibility is a good thing to have as a manager, but he contradicts himself all the time - we need young players to mould - no we need experience, we need to play fast - no we need possession, we need 3 at the back, no we should have a back 4 etc etc.
I don't think we are anywhere near a bottom 4 club and we can't afford to get rid of him, but we need to plan for the future.
Maybe Whelan should take charge of the EFL Trophy games and we should scout lower leagues for cheaper hungry players with potential to get them ready to be regular players next season or the one after.
If we are mid table with ten games to go we have to see if Gordon, Hoole, Lawrence, Jones etc are going to be decent players to have in the squad in the next few years. I said at the time, but the youngsters really should have had game time in the nothing matches at the end of the season.
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Post by giff on Oct 22, 2023 9:21:46 GMT
Iam not a anti Barton guy, just because of his past, just want to see a bit more passion from everyone from the management to the players,
The most animated managers in the premier league are the best ones
Man City , Liverpool, Arsenal, just watching Barton shows no emotion on the line, usually arms folded, unless he is shouting at the officials
Watching the players yesterday , hardly breaking into a sweat, there just seems to be a malaise about the whole club, no information from the owners, regarding anything, Barton refusing to speak to the local press, everyone just happy to pickup their wages , break your toenail and your out for a month with our club, Really believe in Barton owned our club , he would sack himself
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Post by pilninggas on Oct 22, 2023 9:28:21 GMT
I am no Barton fan, but i'll say Barton in - for the time being.
I was glad he showed decorum in his post-match talk; I expected him to rail against everybody and his dog, but he didn't. Either he's lost it or realised the excuses won't wash.
If he gets results in the 2 home games the clamour(?) will subside. If he doesnt then the jig may be up. He's been given a budget unprecedented in the club's history, and whilst signing real quality has not transferred the opportunity to the pitch. I get he wants patient play to draw the opposition forward, but we just don't capitalise with a product in the final third.
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Post by The Equaliser on Oct 22, 2023 9:28:28 GMT
I dislike the man as a person, however I fully believe he is still the man to manage us, and given time I believe he will make us a top team. I expect us to go on a strong run when we have a fit squad. We really aren't far off being a very good side.
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Post by Langford Gas on Oct 22, 2023 9:37:40 GMT
The lack of communication is a bit of a worry, even Wael has gone to ground a bit and we know TG’s interview was scrapped. They will have to speak to us soon if results don’t change, Evans would love to beat us and then we come to Cobblers and their manager who won’t need to do a team talk after the 7-0 last game of the season. Some on here are right to be fair, he deserves the next two home games but even though we are not allowed to mention last seasons form, it reminds me of the Trolls 5-0 at Orient that night. I knew that evening he had run out of ideas whilst his senior pros were not what they used to be, Campbell etc and he relied on them so much. Barton is like this with Coutts and Finley, the latter can’t do it anymore and the new ones don’t work to his ways. Barton spoke pragmatic and honest after the game, he couldn’t blame a Luke Thomas, even with the red we were already losing. He came across deflated, that’s Bonner, Ferguson, Manning and Maamria who have tactically outsmarted him, I think he’s ran out of ideas. I think a Cogs/Warnock/Wilder would make us hard to beat straight away, would play on winning the second ball more (not possession based football) and ask the likes of Finely to press for the ball. He’s ran out of ideas because he won’t change his principles, Bonner and Maamria were happy for us to have possession, Rodman kept saying that Burton only had 2 shots, same as Cambridge, they scout us and execute their tactics brilliantly. This side is a DC side when he left and Cogs came in, Martin is your focal point, you change our style of play, make us hard to beat and we win more, a new guy gets more out of this lot. We are obsessed with playing from the back Pep style, but we don’t have wingers or driving midfielders to break the lines. Do our fans not realise what the opposition are doing to us away from home, don’t they see theirs and our tactics? At Oxford, same again, we should have been winning, we left the back door open, Bodin scores, we are not hard to beat and once we go behind we are easy to finish off. Paul, my concerns are do our new owners have a good knowledge of football in this country at this level , or will they be guided in appointing a new manager by the CEO ? heavens forbid !! |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 22, 2023 9:38:29 GMT
I dislike the man as a person, however I fully believe he is still the man to manage us, and given time I believe he will make us a top team. I expect us to go on a strong run when we have a fit squad. We really aren't far off being a very good side. Ido t like or dislike him as a person as I don’t know totally agree with the rest of your post ! 👍💙utg |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 22, 2023 9:41:10 GMT
I don’t like or dislike him as a person as I don’t know him ,totally agree with the rest of your post 👍💙Utg
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 22, 2023 9:42:48 GMT
Not sure if it the world we live in, but everything needs to happen now. Is our record so different to Megson or Bobby Campbell (albeit a higher division). I can't recall so much disapproval - especially after a defeat. Win and JB is the bees knees and lose and he should get sacked. The problem as I see it, is the short-term view. All the loans means that every season we need good summer recruitment. A lot of the "experience" he has brought in, won't be around next season. How many players will we have to bring in 10+? How does that help, as it takes a few months to get organized and your already on the back foot. I would guess flexibility is a good thing to have as a manager, but he contradicts himself all the time - we need young players to mould - no we need experience, we need to play fast - no we need possession, we need 3 at the back, no we should have a back 4 etc etc. I don't think we are anywhere near a bottom 4 club and we can't afford to get rid of him, but we need to plan for the future. Maybe Whelan should take charge of the EFL Trophy games and we should scout lower leagues for cheaper hungry players with potential to get them ready to be regular players next season or the one after. If we are mid table with ten games to go we have to see if Gordon, Hoole, Lawrence, Jones etc are going to be decent players to have in the squad in the next few years. I said at the time, but the youngsters really should have had game time in the nothing matches at the end of the season. Not sure any Gashead can be accessed of wanting Instant success! What we do want is some signs of the team developing, at the moment we seem stuck around 16th with a chance we'll drop into the bottom 4 if Wigan or Reading ever get their act together. Lincoln sacked their manager this week when they were on the same points and after he had a public outburst about one of his players, it seems JB can do no wrong in our owners eyes. For one they could tell him to stop the nonsense with Bristol Live and start allowing them to attend his pressers. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 9:56:16 GMT
“Who do you replace him with?” Is always an interesting one to me, Neil Critchley is someone who’s had good success at this level with Blackpool and one that nobody would have suggested. Manning at Oxford doing well after a good stint with MK Dons as well, Mousinho at Pompey was nothing more than a lower league clogger who’s walked into Pompey and done well.
I suppose my point is that just because we don’t know any names like these doesn’t mean they aren’t out there.
Rovers problem, when Barton does leave one day, is that we’ve got an ownership model where we aren’t really sure how much these new blokes know about football. The previous owner had a very hit and miss record with hiring people as well, as always with Rovers it’s a case of hoping for the best.
My only hope is that we start to see some solid structures put in place, you can’t build a whole club around one manager and his mates.
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Post by Quarters on Oct 22, 2023 10:08:16 GMT
I would guess flexibility is a good thing to have as a manager, but he contradicts himself all the time - we need young players to mould - no we need experience, we need to play fast - no we need possession, we need 3 at the back, no we should have a back 4 etc etc.
This from MTFFC sums it up for me.
Also went from we need speedy no 9 in A May to a JCH is the answer with no other options in between
We now have lots pf experienced, injured, players.
We have no players being molded for the future, that belong to us!
Hoole, Gordon, Connolly, Macca, Jed Ward, Lawrence not getting much of a look in this season despite being highly rated by JB before.
No plan for the future, looks like an attempt by Barton to push up the league to improve his cv.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 10:09:46 GMT
Langford (Mike) I/we just have to hope they have some knowledge of the game, it doesn’t mean we have to stay with Barton.
Next two games massive for Barton and the club, home attendances is our biggest income, we need to keep the pay on the door customers happy.
I don’t want to say anymore, I think Gasdust has spoken the most sense on this whole thread with his last post across all levels
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Post by Quarters on Oct 22, 2023 10:12:10 GMT
Langford (Mike) I/we just have to hope they have some knowledge of the game, it doesn’t mean we have to stay with Barton. Next two games massive for Barton and the club, home attendances is our biggest income, we need to keep the pay on the door customers happy. I don’t want to say anymore, I think Gasdust has spoken the most sense on this whole thread with his last post across all levels Agreed, look at Swansea and Brighton. Always seem to know who the next manager will be, no rocking the boat when they come in. |
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