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Post by oldie on Nov 25, 2023 7:06:11 GMT
Either that or there was a ‘ bust up ‘ of some description I don’t personally believe that any ‘ state of the quality of play ‘ had anything to do with joe’s sacking 🤔💙Utg 100% JB walked along with Jennings, not sacked, the reasons will be public before the seasons out I'd imagine You mean the statement by the club was not true?
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Post by phillistine on Nov 25, 2023 7:06:27 GMT
I know this sounds a bit mean spirited but I don’t want AM as the next full time manager. He’s a poor man’s Barton and a mentor of JB. I can’t see that performances have improved and I think JB would have got the same results in the fixtures we’ve had. I was indifferent about JB but if he wasn’t good enough for the club then I don’t think AM is. Usual caveat of ‘I hope I am proven wrong’ etc etc…… I can’t see that we will appoint anyone else now though but it’s becoming bizarre and worrying that the owners can’t make a decision! The theory of JB was great and his ideology of getting promoted with a style of football that was ready made for the championship was to his credit but his biggest problem was that he was Joey Barton. He was used to the baggage that this brought with it but failed to realise that this was effecting the players in his charge and they started to become victims rat her than winners. His decision to charge fees for twitter and then to ban the Evening Post from press conferences are clear signs of someone who feels the world is against him and the war with referees became self fulfilling in that he upset so many of them that indeed they probably did want to get their revenge. He had surrounded himself with certain people who didn’t tell him when he was wrong and the players who brought into his larger than life persona never heard words of encouragement but were surrounded by public words of negativity that eventually eroded their confidence and destroyed their resilience as a unit. Mangan to his credit has realised all of this and in his public statements is being very positive and encouraging . He tells the team how good they are and talks of being one result from a great season and if that happens people will say - “ joey was right all along” and partly that will be true . In reality however it will be the final Andy Mangan touch that lit the fuse for take off
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Post by phillistine on Nov 25, 2023 7:18:02 GMT
Either that or there was a ‘ bust up ‘ of some description I don’t personally believe that any ‘ state of the quality of play ‘ had anything to do with joe’s sacking 🤔💙Utg 100% JB walked along with Jennings, not sacked, the reasons will be public before the seasons out I'd imagine It was not the way that we played but the results and that was down to a number of factors. I do not know what Jennings did but obviously the new owners did not believe that they were getting value for money and they obviously acted whereas maybe Wael indulged JB and allowed him to employ his mate. This would explain the comment about coaching staff being employees of the club rather than the managers people and it would also show why JB was so flat after Burton and during the Stevenage game as he realised that writing was on the wall. The fact that he stayed for both results rather than resigning because one of the key members of the team had gone suggests that in the end he was pushed rather than jumped.
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Post by wallywalters on Nov 25, 2023 8:01:46 GMT
I agree. Not because I think he's the stand out candidate. It's because I'm bored shitless of waiting for a appointment now when we have people making the decisions who don't seem to have a clue about football and until we get that structure in the club then why not stick with someone we know. 🤷 They had enough "clue" to know JB wasn't getting the best from the squad he'd put together? This new manager debacle , the south stand debacle ( initial phases ) the jch saga ..... These are just a few things that evidence that the structure within the football club isn't good enough. Hopefully the new owners have identified this and are working towards sorting this out.
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 25, 2023 8:44:32 GMT
Either that or there was a ‘ bust up ‘ of some description I don’t personally believe that any ‘ state of the quality of play ‘ had anything to do with joe’s sacking 🤔💙Utg 100% JB walked along with Jennings, not sacked, the reasons will be public before the seasons out I'd imagine Where’s your evidence of Jennings leaving? My evidence is that he is still head of football operations and his photo/ profile is still on the website. JB’s has been removed, can you explain why Jennings profile is still there?
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Post by mftc on Nov 25, 2023 10:23:26 GMT
I know this sounds a bit mean spirited but I don’t want AM as the next full time manager. He’s a poor man’s Barton and a mentor of JB. I can’t see that performances have improved and I think JB would have got the same results in the fixtures we’ve had. I was indifferent about JB but if he wasn’t good enough for the club then I don’t think AM is. Usual caveat of ‘I hope I am proven wrong’ etc etc…… I can’t see that we will appoint anyone else now though but it’s becoming bizarre and worrying that the owners can’t make a decision! The theory of JB was great and his ideology of getting promoted with a style of football that was ready made for the championship was to his credit but his biggest problem was that he was Joey Barton. He was used to the baggage that this brought with it but failed to realise that this was effecting the players in his charge and they started to become victims rat her than winners. His decision to charge fees for twitter and then to ban the Evening Post from press conferences are clear signs of someone who feels the world is against him and the war with referees became self fulfilling in that he upset so many of them that indeed they probably did want to get their revenge. He had surrounded himself with certain people who didn’t tell him when he was wrong and the players who brought into his larger than life persona never heard words of encouragement but were surrounded by public words of negativity that eventually eroded their confidence and destroyed their resilience as a unit. Mangan to his credit has realised all of this and in his public statements is being very positive and encouraging . He tells the team how good they are and talks of being one result from a great season and if that happens people will say - “ joey was right all along” and partly that will be true . In reality however it will be the final Andy Mangan touch that lit the fuse for take off Still think Mangs bringing back Bond is a very shrewd move. There were rumours of a fall out with Joey with the Whelan at the back, instead of Alfie v Lincoln debacle. I can't imagine Bond was a yes man and probably told him it was insane and a few weeks later it was announced he was gone. I'm sure Bond can pass on a few wise words to Mangs to assist him.
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Post by percy on Nov 25, 2023 10:32:36 GMT
The theory of JB was great and his ideology of getting promoted with a style of football that was ready made for the championship was to his credit but his biggest problem was that he was Joey Barton. He was used to the baggage that this brought with it but failed to realise that this was effecting the players in his charge and they started to become victims rat her than winners. His decision to charge fees for twitter and then to ban the Evening Post from press conferences are clear signs of someone who feels the world is against him and the war with referees became self fulfilling in that he upset so many of them that indeed they probably did want to get their revenge. He had surrounded himself with certain people who didn’t tell him when he was wrong and the players who brought into his larger than life persona never heard words of encouragement but were surrounded by public words of negativity that eventually eroded their confidence and destroyed their resilience as a unit. Mangan to his credit has realised all of this and in his public statements is being very positive and encouraging . He tells the team how good they are and talks of being one result from a great season and if that happens people will say - “ joey was right all along” and partly that will be true . In reality however it will be the final Andy Mangan touch that lit the fuse for take off Still think Mangs bringing back Bond is a very shrewd move. There were rumours of a fall out with Joey with the Whelan at the back, instead of Alfie v Lincoln debacle. I can't imagine Bond was a yes man and probably told him it was insane and a few weeks later it was announced he was gone. I'm sure Bond can pass on a few wise words to Mangs to assist him. Yeah I agree. Might not be quite 100% fact, but no doubt Mangs will be a little more open to others ideas! Defence was poor since Bond left, already looking more solid. Thats why I don’t think he’s just a “poor man’s JB”. Hopefully he can add to his team with one or two others that can compliment a new manager / head coach. Ideally a DoF but doesn’t have to be.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 25, 2023 10:56:22 GMT
100% JB walked along with Jennings, not sacked, the reasons will be public before the seasons out I'd imagine You mean the statement by the club was not true? ‘ massaging’ the ‘truth’ ! 🤔 💙 UTG
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 25, 2023 10:59:11 GMT
100% JB walked along with Jennings, not sacked, the reasons will be public before the seasons out I'd imagine Where’s your evidence of Jennings leaving? My evidence is that he is still head of football operations and his photo/ profile is still on the website. JB’s has been removed, can you explain why Jennings profile is still there? I have been told fwiw that Eddie is still there but expected to leave soon.
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Post by Gas1977 on Nov 25, 2023 11:02:36 GMT
Where’s your evidence of Jennings leaving? My evidence is that he is still head of football operations and his photo/ profile is still on the website. JB’s has been removed, can you explain why Jennings profile is still there? I have been told fwiw that Eddie is still there but expected to leave soon. His LinkedIn account still states he’s at rovers.
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Post by pirate on Nov 25, 2023 12:18:26 GMT
Still think Mangs bringing back Bond is a very shrewd move. There were rumours of a fall out with Joey with the Whelan at the back, instead of Alfie v Lincoln debacle. I can't imagine Bond was a yes man and probably told him it was insane and a few weeks later it was announced he was gone. I'm sure Bond can pass on a few wise words to Mangs to assist him. Yeah I agree. Might not be quite 100% fact, but no doubt Mangs will be a little more open to others ideas! Defence was poor since Bond left, already looking more solid. Thats why I don’t think he’s just a “poor man’s JB”. Hopefully he can add to his team with one or two others that can compliment a new manager / head coach. Ideally a DoF but doesn’t have to be. Surely any DoF needs to be a club appointment and not selected by the manager?
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Post by percy on Nov 25, 2023 12:32:32 GMT
Yeah I agree. Might not be quite 100% fact, but no doubt Mangs will be a little more open to others ideas! Defence was poor since Bond left, already looking more solid. Thats why I don’t think he’s just a “poor man’s JB”. Hopefully he can add to his team with one or two others that can compliment a new manager / head coach. Ideally a DoF but doesn’t have to be. Surely any DoF needs to be a club appointment and not selected by the manager? Yes sorry. Agreed, should have said we not he.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Nov 25, 2023 16:25:26 GMT
Mangan Out
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Post by chelios on Nov 25, 2023 16:53:29 GMT
A win at Derby would have given Mangan the job. That’s the only upside from today. Love the bloke, but he’s not ready.
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Post by js67 on Nov 25, 2023 16:55:03 GMT
Yeah I agree. Might not be quite 100% fact, but no doubt Mangs will be a little more open to others ideas! Defence was poor since Bond left, already looking more solid. Thats why I don’t think he’s just a “poor man’s JB”. Hopefully he can add to his team with one or two others that can compliment a new manager / head coach. Ideally a DoF but doesn’t have to be. Surely any DoF needs to be a club appointment and not selected by the manager? Jennings went 2 weeks before JB , both walked 100 %, both still.on payroll , common knowledge , new owners should appoint themselves as manager if they want to pick who plays
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Post by Gassy on Nov 25, 2023 17:01:16 GMT
Not sure how to feel. We played well today, but I have real concern that Mangan has no back up plan and we don’t have enough of an attacking threat.
I like Mangan a lot, but I’m thinking I’d like someone fresh to get the best out of our attacking players
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Post by pirate on Nov 25, 2023 17:03:50 GMT
A win at Derby would have given Mangan the job. That’s the only upside from today. Love the bloke, but he’s not ready. Need a fresh start and clean break from the old regime. Still making same mistakes at the back and predictable going forward, nobody should be fooled by scraping results against favourable opposition. I just don't have any faith in those making the decisions to make the right appointment.
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 25, 2023 17:11:46 GMT
A win at Derby would have given Mangan the job. That’s the only upside from today. Love the bloke, but he’s not ready. Need a fresh start and clean break from the old regime. Still making same mistakes at the back and predictable going forward, nobody should be fooled by scraping results against favourable opposition. I just don't have any faith in those making the decisions to make the right appointment. Totally agree, get a new manager in . New brush needed. As regards who, that’s anybody’s guess but surely some fresh ideas are needed and Mangan is definately not the man.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 25, 2023 17:23:08 GMT
A win at Derby would have given Mangan the job. That’s the only upside from today. Love the bloke, but he’s not ready. Need a fresh start and clean break from the old regime. Still making same mistakes at the back and predictable going forward, nobody should be fooled by scraping results against favourable opposition. I just don't have any faith in those making the decisions to make the right appointment. Can Mangan really be held accountable for the fact that he only had Wilson and Grant available today, and they both let him down?
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Post by bluecamel on Nov 25, 2023 17:23:58 GMT
Today just confirmed my thoughts that we need a totally new head in charge, as I have said many times, we have some good players, but we do NOT have a good team. Time to appoint a new gaffer.
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