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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 4, 2023 18:53:26 GMT
Robinson is a dick. Pass.
Keep Mangan on.
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Post by Quarters on Nov 4, 2023 18:59:24 GMT
I think the real test for Mangan will be when he has more players to select from.
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Post by eric on Nov 4, 2023 19:12:50 GMT
Yes, I agree. JB is not going to walk into another job. (At least, not one he really wants.) Clubs will not want the baggage he brings with it. If it were just about football he’d be ok but he’s a firework ready to go off. Not sure he’ll pitch up in non-league. He’d need to develop younger players there. His record of developing our youth players was not great. UTG! Hoole looked a solid defender with so much potential before Barton came in. Publicly told everyone he was a CB in his mind, had a disaster in this position, and then bumped behind Hunt and Grant at right back. I had Hoole down for a big sale and Wales caps. And it reminded of Collins as well, gone backwards. Barton’s next job will be a northern club like Morecombe in my opinion, loans from big clubs and aging players he knows from North West. I could see Finley with Barton at Barrow, Morecombe etc and make no bones about it, he will take anything, even national league because no big club is trusting his mouth, sponsors won’t put up with it. Presumably JB gets no credit for helping Collins develop in to the League One Player of the Year but takes all the blame when his form dips?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2023 19:22:13 GMT
I’m happy to give him credit but I live in the present and not past, are you handing out trophies because even though the player isn’t what he was because in my opinion treatment by the manager with man management and tactics we still give a trophy because he once helped him improve, strange logic that?!
Collins, Hoole, Thomas, I hope Mangs or whoever can get them back to their best.
Take away loan signings who he couldn’t publicly destroy, and we didn’t know what happened with Bobby Thomas. How many players did Barton inherit and sign and sell on for big money?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 4, 2023 19:24:19 GMT
Hoole looked a solid defender with so much potential before Barton came in. Publicly told everyone he was a CB in his mind, had a disaster in this position, and then bumped behind Hunt and Grant at right back. I had Hoole down for a big sale and Wales caps. And it reminded of Collins as well, gone backwards. Barton’s next job will be a northern club like Morecombe in my opinion, loans from big clubs and aging players he knows from North West. I could see Finley with Barton at Barrow, Morecombe etc and make no bones about it, he will take anything, even national league because no big club is trusting his mouth, sponsors won’t put up with it. Presumably JB gets no credit for helping Collins develop in to the League One Player of the Year but takes all the blame when his form dips? Sounds about right eric ! 🙃 💙 Utg
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2023 19:27:02 GMT
Presumably JB gets no credit for helping Collins develop in to the League One Player of the Year but takes all the blame when his form dips? Sounds about right eric ! 🙃 💙 Utg Imagine in your job your boss really helps make you better at it and then destroys your confidence, does this make it easier for you and Eric to understand?!
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 4, 2023 19:37:02 GMT
Sounds about right eric ! 🙃 💙 Utg Imagine in your job your boss really helps make you better at it and then destroys your confidence, does this make it easier for you and Eric to understand?! Luke Thomas had a similar run in with JB before he left, didn’t stop him actively wanting to return to be managed by JB again !!! 💙Utg
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2023 19:39:48 GMT
Imagine in your job your boss really helps make you better at it and then destroys your confidence, does this make it easier for you and Eric to understand?! Luke Thomas had a similar run in with JB before he left, didn’t stop him actively wanting to return to be managed by JB again !!! 💙Utg I’m sure he returned in good faith and the manager said he really wanted him and rated him. Did he really sign again and expect to be called an idiot live on the radio?! I mean how many managers publicly hammer a player twice on the radio?!
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Post by eric on Nov 4, 2023 19:48:11 GMT
I’m happy to give him credit but I live in the present and not past, are you handing out trophies because even though the player isn’t what he was because in my opinion treatment by the manager with man management and tactics we still give a trophy because he once helped him improve, strange logic that?! Collins, Hoole, Thomas, I hope Mangs or whoever can get them back to their best. Take away loan signings who he couldn’t publicly destroy, and we didn’t know what happened with Bobby Thomas. How many players did Barton inherit and sign and sell on for big money? Nobody is handing out trophy’s but your blinkered hatred of JB is becoming a bit boring and featuring on virtually every thread. All I’m pointing out is you give JB no credit for Collins development but want him to take complete responsibility when his form slips. Does the player not have even a slightest part to play if his own form dips? Every player in the history of the game has downturns in form, is it never their fault and always the manager or does that just apply when JB is involved?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2023 19:51:28 GMT
If I am becoming boring Eric, try just ignoring me, do you have the capacity to do this?
It must be a coincidence that being stripped of the capacity and hammering him publicly to the media had nothing to do with his crash in confidence!
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Post by percy on Nov 4, 2023 19:54:41 GMT
Don’t often agree with Eric but maybe back off a bit! I have criticised Joey lots but give him credit for a lot of things. It’s coming across a little blinkered Time to move on Roadman. UTG
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 4, 2023 19:55:49 GMT
I’m happy to give him credit but I live in the present and not past, are you handing out trophies because even though the player isn’t what he was because in my opinion treatment by the manager with man management and tactics we still give a trophy because he once helped him improve, strange logic that?! Collins, Hoole, Thomas, I hope Mangs or whoever can get them back to their best. Take away loan signings who he couldn’t publicly destroy, and we didn’t know what happened with Bobby Thomas. How many players did Barton inherit and sign and sell on for big money? Nobody is handing out trophy’s but your blinkered hatred of JB is becoming a bit boring and featuring on virtually every thread. All I’m pointing out is you give JB no credit for Collins development but want him to take complete responsibility when his form slips. Does the player not have even a slightest part to play if his own form dips? Every player in the history of the game has downturns in form, is it never their fault and always the manager or does that just apply when JB is involved? Have to agree Eric. JB is no longer our manager and it’s all water under the bridge now, but the anti JB brigade can’t leave it alone and now it would seem they are not prepared to give him credit for anything. This is the next manager thread, perhaps the mods can now shut this thread down as it has become an anti Joey thread. Then we can start a new manager thread which hopefully and I know it’s a great hope ,become a thread only about the new manager.
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Post by eric on Nov 4, 2023 19:56:55 GMT
If I am becoming boring Eric, try just ignoring me, do you have the capacity to do this? What a pleasant chap you are. Quite ironic how those most vociferous in their criticism of JB’s behaviour and lack of class come across as such unpleasant characters themselves. Have a nice evening.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 4, 2023 20:00:23 GMT
Nobody is handing out trophy’s but your blinkered hatred of JB is becoming a bit boring and featuring on virtually every thread. All I’m pointing out is you give JB no credit for Collins development but want him to take complete responsibility when his form slips. Does the player not have even a slightest part to play if his own form dips? Every player in the history of the game has downturns in form, is it never their fault and always the manager or does that just apply when JB is involved? Have to agree Eric. JB is no longer our manager and it’s all water under the bridge now, but the anti JB brigade can’t leave it alone and now it would seem they are not prepared to give him credit for anything. This is the next manager thread, perhaps the mods can now shut this thread down as it has become an anti Joey thread. Then we can start a new manager thread which hopefully and I know it’s a great hope ,become a thread only about the new manager. Agree 100 pc Bideford ! 💙 UTG
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2023 20:00:25 GMT
If I am becoming boring Eric, try just ignoring me, do you have the capacity to do this? What a pleasant chap you are. Quite ironic how those most vociferous in their criticism of JB’s behaviour and lack of class come across as such unpleasant characters themselves. Have a nice evening. You tell me I’m boring, I just said ignore me, mate, I don’t agree with plenty on here and I’m sure the same with me, I have the ability to ignore some posts and posters. Enjoy your evening, looks like Mangs is doing a good job and giving himself a change of being the next manager.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 4, 2023 20:03:30 GMT
I do hope so, deserves a chance 💙 UTG
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 4, 2023 20:19:53 GMT
Merits of Barton’s signings and if we can credit future success of those players to him can be discussed in the threads for those players or in the Barton sacked thread.
It would be nice for those of us who aren’t interested in another debate about Barton’s achievements and just want to look to the future to be able to read this thread to catch up on the potential fulfilment of the role without having to read pages and pages of said debate.
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Nov 4, 2023 22:22:59 GMT
Would be underwhelmed if it was Robinson , looked utterly clueless in his final season at Oxford.
Last seen as assistant to Allardyce at Leeds , mabey he could bring Sam along with him , then do a disappearing act.
Anyone know why he was dismissed at Charlton? Win ratio was average in 1 1/2 seasons.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 4, 2023 22:28:31 GMT
They couldn’t stand him at the valley -know people who support Charlton 💙Utg
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Post by pirate on Nov 4, 2023 22:59:52 GMT
I quite like the idea of keeping Mangan on as manager, but a good thing is as we are in capable hands so we don't have to rush the decision.
I don't think we were far off it with Barton and with a couple of tweaks here and there we have the makings of a good side. I like that Mangan has already shown an interest in the academy, from what I'm told the players enjoy his coaching and he seems to have an infectious personality that is difficult not to like.
None of the bookies candidates are particularly outstanding and I don't think there is any reason to rock the boat with an outside appointment that might want to unnecessarily rip things up. Stick with Mangan, Whelan and Bond and see how things go and then maybe support the management team with investment in the scouting and recruitment side of things to help them out?
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