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Post by mftc on Oct 26, 2023 22:25:08 GMT
A few people have mentioned this, but is it so black and white?
Obviously EA was outstanding and we only got him because of JBs former teammates, but look around this division and several clubs have premier league loanees.
Some say we have never attracted the players we have in the last three seasons, but there are a number of factors.
I'm pretty sure when Victor and Tyler Smith were signed on loan by GC, it was said we were not paying anywhere near their full wage and I think GC remarked several times about thanking their parents clubs for allowing the deals which cost Rovers next to nothing.
Post COVID we definitely have backed by he owners, so the money for loans for Cox and Vale would be much much more than spent in previous years.
There is obviously a flip side in that how many players have turned us down because of JBs reputation? (Also how many players wives have vetoed any possible more for the same reason?).
Overall, I don't think our ability in the transfer market will be altered that much - unless the owners want to reign in the spending that is.
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Post by percy on Oct 27, 2023 7:37:40 GMT
Have been thinking about this too. A risk if we appoint a "journeyman" manager that we cant attract the same calibre - especially of loans.
But, look around L1 and L2, lots of really good talent on loan (Louie Barrie at Stockport for example) for teams that dont have JB!
Money talks, maybe we have just been willing/able to pay more for loans as well as new signings?
Also, Barton signed, what, 50 odd players? At least half were less then a success!
Lets not panic yet
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 7:58:34 GMT
This attracting loans and players thing. I don't think it is down to JB, but down to money.
You only have to look at Plymouth. Last season, they attracted good quality loan players.
I always thought Schumacher was a racing car driver.
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Post by Quarters on Oct 27, 2023 8:06:55 GMT
Money or promise of game time?
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Post by supergas on Oct 27, 2023 8:26:23 GMT
Location must also be a factor that hampers us. Since both the club and the player have a say where they go on loan, the loaning club will be looking at how that player will develop whilst they are away, but the player will be thinking about his day-to-day life off the pitch, as well as what happens on it.
If all the other criteria are the same for a Premier league club sending a player out on loan, why would they want to come to Bristol when they're already settled near their parent club? Must be Bournemouth, Villa and Luton who are the closest PL teams to us now but even then that's not a commute you'd want to make so you'd have to relocate for the loan period....or pick a closer club....
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 27, 2023 11:07:56 GMT
Location must also be a factor that hampers us. Since both the club and the player have a say where they go on loan, the loaning club will be looking at how that player will develop whilst they are away, but the player will be thinking about his day-to-day life off the pitch, as well as what happens on it. If all the other criteria are the same for a Premier league club sending a player out on loan, why would they want to come to Bristol when they're already settled near their parent club? Must be Bournemouth, Villa and Luton who are the closest PL teams to us now but even then that's not a commute you'd want to make so you'd have to relocate for the loan period....or pick a closer club.... I used to think that as well. Yet Plymouth relied heavily on loan signings last season and they are further away than us. |
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Post by toggsy2 on Oct 27, 2023 11:12:47 GMT
Location must also be a factor that hampers us. Since both the club and the player have a say where they go on loan, the loaning club will be looking at how that player will develop whilst they are away, but the player will be thinking about his day-to-day life off the pitch, as well as what happens on it. If all the other criteria are the same for a Premier league club sending a player out on loan, why would they want to come to Bristol when they're already settled near their parent club? Must be Bournemouth, Villa and Luton who are the closest PL teams to us now but even then that's not a commute you'd want to make so you'd have to relocate for the loan period....or pick a closer club.... I used to think that as well. Yet Plymouth relied heavily on loan signings last season and they are further away than us. It's not so much location or distance it's the cost of living in Bristol the rental rates are horrendous compared to other parts of the country. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 27, 2023 12:02:39 GMT
I used to think that as well. Yet Plymouth relied heavily on loan signings last season and they are further away than us. It's not so much location or distance it's the cost of living in Bristol the rental rates are horrendous compared to other parts of the country. Don't loan players share a lot of the time?? Didn't I read somewhere that some could stay at the training ground, or did I dream that??😂. How many London clubs are there? Surely it's cheaper to rent in Bristol, than London? |
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Post by amgas on Oct 27, 2023 12:18:50 GMT
Quality of coaching has to come into this - a loan player does not just pull the shirt on and play on a Saturday - a premiership club will be looking at the quality of coaching their player will receive. There is no doubt our improved training facilities will have played a part in getting clubs to send us players, but reputation of the coaching staff and potential game time must be a massive part. Perhaps Barton being keen to get the ball on the floor and play made us more attractive than if we were playing hoofball for example.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 27, 2023 12:38:36 GMT
This attracting loans and players thing. I don't think it is down to JB, but down to money. You only have to look at Plymouth. Last season, they attracted good quality loan players. I always thought Schumacher was a racing car driver. Vale said in last week's interview JB convinced him to sign? Young loan players are looking for moves which will further their careers not looking for who pays them the most money I assume experienced players are looking at money, location and what the club can offer them generally. |
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Post by Quarters on Oct 27, 2023 14:09:56 GMT
Fully expect loan players to still receive their salary from their parent club.
Just a case of how much the loaning club pays towards it.
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Post by RD on Oct 27, 2023 14:11:50 GMT
Oxford have recruited exceptionally well and I don't see them as being massively ahead of us - we appear to be able to compete budget wise.
So I don't think it's a case of "Barton gone, now we'll only attract dross".
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 15:35:44 GMT
This attracting loans and players thing. I don't think it is down to JB, but down to money. You only have to look at Plymouth. Last season, they attracted good quality loan players. I always thought Schumacher was a racing car driver. Vale said in last week's interview JB convinced him to sign? Young loan players are looking for moves which will further their careers not looking for who pays them the most money I assume experienced players are looking at money, location and what the club can offer them generally. Do you think he would have said "I came to Rovers as they offered me the most money"? When have you ever heard a player be honest like that? |
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Post by gasheadontour on Oct 27, 2023 19:08:42 GMT
The top clubs want to loan their young players to clubs who try to play a possession based passing style similar to the Prem - which is what JB was trying to do. Training facilities are important too.
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Post by pirate on Oct 31, 2023 5:19:51 GMT
“We would like to make a structure for the sporting side, so that the assistants and the downstream from the manager would be the club staff rather than the manager’s staff,” explained Al-Saeed.
This is a good idea and hopefully we can appoint the right director of football/head of football operations to oversee the project as we currently have Barton's mates Eddy Jennings (Head of Football Operations) and Chris Spendlove (Chief Scout) in key positions.
Personally I would try and recruit Gary Penrice or someone of that ilk for a DoF role. Obviously knows the club and vastly experienced in a number of roles. Whether he would be interested or not I'm not sure, but worth an approach. I've also been impressed with Simon Wilson's work at Stockport County, but similarly whether he would be interested is another matter. Someone of that calibre would be ideal.
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Post by RD on Oct 31, 2023 6:27:49 GMT
Vale said in last week's interview JB convinced him to sign? Young loan players are looking for moves which will further their careers not looking for who pays them the most money I assume experienced players are looking at money, location and what the club can offer them generally. Do you think he would have said "I came to Rovers as they offered me the most money"? When have you ever heard a player be honest like that? Jeff Hughes. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Oct 31, 2023 6:52:21 GMT
Oxford have recruited exceptionally well and I don't see them as being massively ahead of us - we appear to be able to compete budget wise. So I don't think it's a case of "Barton gone, now we'll only attract dross". But you do think ‘has without doubt helped us to acquire talent we would previously have had no chance of getting’? Yeah? |
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Post by RD on Oct 31, 2023 6:55:59 GMT
Oxford have recruited exceptionally well and I don't see them as being massively ahead of us - we appear to be able to compete budget wise. So I don't think it's a case of "Barton gone, now we'll only attract dross". But you do think ‘has without doubt helped us to acquire talent we would previously have had no chance of getting’? Yeah? Who knows. Possibly. But equally maybe we've missed out on some targets because they didn't want to work with him And quite why you're making up your own quote and putting my response to it is anyone's guess. It was a point in response to some other comments, not the question you've posed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 6:58:35 GMT
Oxford have recruited exceptionally well and I don't see them as being massively ahead of us - we appear to be able to compete budget wise. So I don't think it's a case of "Barton gone, now we'll only attract dross". I’m so excited now, proper root and branch reviewing of the scouting department. You mention Oxford, they have a fantastic scout working in Ireland, Mark Sykes and Gavin Whyte signed from the island and sold for millions. Jennings and his pension pot signings, you’ve only got to look at Spendlove’s CV to tell you it’s a job for the Scouse mafia again. Gone are the says of Penrice signing Jason Roberts from Wolves reserves and a tip off from someone he knew about Ellington playing for Walton and Hersham. What Oxford did over the summer was incredible and Manning only in to the club in the March. But they already had scouting network in place not in anyway aligned to the manager, something our new owners commented on Saturday. I am really excited for the future in this area, if Jennings is to stay on but there has to be some accountability…………..Pitman, Leon Clarke, Rossiter, Trev Clarke, Mark Hughes, Junior Brown. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 31, 2023 13:34:45 GMT
Oxford have recruited exceptionally well and I don't see them as being massively ahead of us - we appear to be able to compete budget wise. So I don't think it's a case of "Barton gone, now we'll only attract dross". I’m so excited now, proper root and branch reviewing of the scouting department. You mention Oxford, they have a fantastic scout working in Ireland, Mark Sykes and Gavin Whyte signed from the island and sold for millions. Jennings and his pension pot signings, you’ve only got to look at Spendlove’s CV to tell you it’s a job for the Scouse mafia again. Gone are the says of Penrice signing Jason Roberts from Wolves reserves and a tip off from someone he knew about Ellington playing for Walton and Hersham. What Oxford did over the summer was incredible and Manning only in to the club in the March. But they already had scouting network in place not in anyway aligned to the manager, something our new owners commented on Saturday. I am really excited for the future in this area, if Jennings is to stay on but there has to be some accountability…………..Pitman, Leon Clarke, Rossiter, Trev Clarke, Mark Hughes, Junior Brown. Always though Trevor Clarke was treated badly, a bit of a scapegoat - put under the bus twice. |
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