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Post by supergas on Feb 29, 2024 8:40:26 GMT
would seating on the East Terrace be covered by the East Stand Roof? I think the roof actually comes out to the advertising hordings. Doesn't seem like it i guess as its only a small section and weather comes in from the sides. The roof directly covers around two thirds of the terrace, but the prevailing winds from the South West blow most bad weather much further into the terrace/stand. |
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Post by supergas on Feb 29, 2024 8:44:20 GMT
Disagree with you there. First of all Anfield is a totally different ground to the Anfield from when we visited . So no real history there. Old Trafford is falling down and need a complete re-vamp. Nothing wrong in either the Emirates or Etihad. Both great grounds. And with regards closer to home I would sooner be playing at Ashton Gate as opposed to the Mem. At least at AG they have decent toilets, nice bars and the ground is not falling down. But Ashton Gate and Anfield are still stadiums built in a classical format. Neither are new build bowls they’ve been renovated piecemeal. Even part of Ashton Gates last renovation one of the stands was extended and revamped rather than a knock down and rebuild. Some are quick to praise the quality of Ashton Gate on here but poo poo the idea of doing similar in our stadium?! The *most* annoying thing about City is how well they have redone Ashton Gate. It keeps the feel of a traditional older football stadium but with all the new features and benefits you would want in 2024. Obviously I hope this never happens but away fans from most Premier League teams would love to watch their team play there. |
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Post by skin01 on Feb 29, 2024 8:46:05 GMT
Considering its physical size and small number of seats the east stand must be one of worst stands in the league?
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 29, 2024 8:47:28 GMT
Something like they have at Bath should sail through PP. Wouldn’t interfere with existing East Stand sight lines. Quite cost effective.  |
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 29, 2024 8:50:14 GMT
I think the roof actually comes out to the advertising hordings. Doesn't seem like it i guess as its only a small section and weather comes in from the sides. The roof directly covers around two thirds of the terrace, but the prevailing winds from the South West blow most bad weather much further into the terrace/stand. No problema , we can just pull on our Dryrobes. |
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Post by singupgas on Feb 29, 2024 9:47:45 GMT
Something like they have at Bath should sail through PP.  Wouldn’t interfere with existing East Stand sight lines. Quite cost effective. View AttachmentI really hope you are joking. |
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 29, 2024 10:03:51 GMT
Something like they have at Bath should sail through PP. Wouldn’t interfere with existing East Stand sight lines. Quite cost effective. View AttachmentI really hope you are joking. It’s good to suffer for your team.  |
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Post by ifollowgas on Feb 29, 2024 10:17:16 GMT
Considering its physical size and small number of seats the east stand must be one of worst stands in the league? Designed for 80’s Rugby Union where 1,000 club members get the best view of 30 heavyweights grappling around in the mud mostly near the half way line. The external access steps is a bizarre feature. Please just remove the whole ugly thing and build something suitable for a 21st Century football stadium. |
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Post by Gassy on Feb 29, 2024 10:18:02 GMT
I’m going to reserve judgment on the east stand and north stand developments until I see the plans myself. One thing that’s not been made clear, at least in what I’ve read, is if the East and North stands are to be of a temporary construction like the south stand, for example bolt on extensions or demolished and rebuilt? If they are to be permanent then why don’t they include the west stand? That would get the capacity near to 18 or 19,000 I would have thought? I’d argue the lack of west stand development probably tells you the plans. It seems likely we’re not going to knock the east stand down to build a new one. Which really is the only other stand that could host changing rooms, boxes etc. The north is really just steps that needs flattening and I’d expect something similar to the South, but just bigger. Knocking down the West loses all our hospitality and would mean we’d have to spend £10m+ on a new stand |
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 29, 2024 10:23:23 GMT
I’m going to reserve judgment on the east stand and north stand developments until I see the plans myself. One thing that’s not been made clear, at least in what I’ve read, is if the East and North stands are to be of a temporary construction like the south stand, for example bolt on extensions or demolished and rebuilt? If they are to be permanent then why don’t they include the west stand? That would get the capacity near to 18 or 19,000 I would have thought? I’d argue the lack of west stand development probably tells you the plans. It seems likely we’re not going to knock the east stand down to build a new one. Which really is the only other stand that could host changing rooms, boxes etc. The north is really just steps that needs flattening and I’d expect something similar to the South, but just bigger. Knocking down the West loses all our hospitality and would mean we’d have to spend £10m+ on a new stand Don't forget the changing rooms. The East Stand redevelopment should be the long term replacement for the West Stand with everything included in it from offices, boxes, the shop, changing rooms, gyms etc? Hell, the boxes could convert into hotel rooms. |
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Post by singupgas on Feb 29, 2024 10:26:24 GMT
What is up with people coming out with these random figures to build a football stand and stadium.
The fact is the owners knew we needed a new ground, the FM was never going to be free and just given to us, so surely there was an expectation some money would need to be spent?
A new stand that is "very impressive" and represents modern standards will cost however much it will cost. The owners just hopefully have the appetite to get on with it and do a proper job.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 29, 2024 10:29:01 GMT
What is up with people coming out with these random figures to build a football stand and stadium. The fact is the owners knew we needed a new ground, the FM was never going to be free and just given to us, do surely there was an expectation some money would need to be spent? A new stand that is "very impressive" and represents modern standards will cost however much it will cost. The owners just hopefully have the appetite to get on with it and do a proper job. Exactly this. Why firstly WAQ and now HAS would buy the club without the understanding that it does cost money is beyond me. Folk acting like WAQ was conned for years, no, it's all on him. |
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Post by supergas on Feb 29, 2024 10:36:18 GMT
It's important to remember that the biggest challenge about a potential East Stand development is where the pitch needs to be.
Ideally any new build needs to be further back than the current terrace/stand to let the pitch to be moved several metres to the East and allow a proper redevelopment of the West Stand at some point in the future - and the modular construction of the South Stand would also allow this, with the SW corner being removed and one module of the South Stand in the West corner being replaced with a corner segment.
Can't see it happening though, I think the best we can hope for is a decent East stand (full rebuild) and not sure we will even get that...
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 29, 2024 10:41:29 GMT
I’m going to reserve judgment on the east stand and north stand developments until I see the plans myself. One thing that’s not been made clear, at least in what I’ve read, is if the East and North stands are to be of a temporary construction like the south stand, for example bolt on extensions or demolished and rebuilt? If they are to be permanent then why don’t they include the west stand? That would get the capacity near to 18 or 19,000 I would have thought? I’d argue the lack of west stand development probably tells you the plans. It seems likely we’re not going to knock the east stand down to build a new one. Which really is the only other stand that could host changing rooms, boxes etc. The north is really just steps that needs flattening and I’d expect something similar to the South, but just bigger. Knocking down the West loses all our hospitality and would mean we’d have to spend £10m+ on a new stand If we redeveloped the east we could tidy up the west stand by getting rid of the standing area and converting it to seated by extending it forward where the significant drop off is and not worry too much about a slight loss in capacity. At least the whole ground would look something resembling a good all seater stadium and it would blend in nicely with what is the family and SW terrace. |
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 29, 2024 10:42:55 GMT
It's important to remember that the biggest challenge about a potential East Stand development is where the pitch needs to be. Ideally any new build needs to be further back than the current terrace/stand to let the pitch to be moved several metres to the East and allow a proper redevelopment of the West Stand at some point in the future - and the modular construction of the South Stand would also allow this, with the SW corner being removed and one module of the South Stand in the West corner being replaced with a corner segment. Can't see it happening though, I think the best we can hope for is a decent East stand (full rebuild) and not sure we will even get that... Like I posted elsewhere, the Haupttribune at St Pauli has the same depth as the current East Stand. Holds 6,200ish.  |
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Post by supergas on Feb 29, 2024 10:50:01 GMT
It's important to remember that the biggest challenge about a potential East Stand development is where the pitch needs to be. Ideally any new build needs to be further back than the current terrace/stand to let the pitch to be moved several metres to the East and allow a proper redevelopment of the West Stand at some point in the future - and the modular construction of the South Stand would also allow this, with the SW corner being removed and one module of the South Stand in the West corner being replaced with a corner segment. Can't see it happening though, I think the best we can hope for is a decent East stand (full rebuild) and not sure we will even get that... Like I posted elsewhere, the Haupttribune at St Pauli has the same depth as the current East Stand. Holds 6,200ish. That would do nicely but my point was how close to the current pitch location it should be built.... |
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 29, 2024 10:51:04 GMT
Like I posted elsewhere, the Haupttribune at St Pauli has the same depth as the current East Stand. Holds 6,200ish. That would do nicely but my point was how close to the current pitch location it should be built.... The Haupttribune would literally slot ontop of the current footprint! |
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Post by supergas on Feb 29, 2024 11:24:00 GMT
That would do nicely but my point was how close to the current pitch location it should be built.... The Haupttribune would literally slot ontop of the current footprint! ...and the current footprint doesn't allow for a proper West stand upgrade in the future.... |
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 29, 2024 11:26:10 GMT
The Haupttribune would literally slot ontop of the current footprint! ...and the current footprint doesn't allow for a proper West stand upgrade in the future.... I've always thought actually upgrading within the current footprint is completely doable. The biggest issue we currently have is two stands no making any use of the size of them. The West Stand is a mess of a stand, a single tier with boxes atop going the full length of the pitch would hugely increase the capacity. There is so much wasted space within the ground. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 29, 2024 17:20:04 GMT
It's important to remember that the biggest challenge about a potential East Stand development is where the pitch needs to be. Ideally any new build needs to be further back than the current terrace/stand to let the pitch to be moved several metres to the East and allow a proper redevelopment of the West Stand at some point in the future - and the modular construction of the South Stand would also allow this, with the SW corner being removed and one module of the South Stand in the West corner being replaced with a corner segment. Can't see it happening though, I think the best we can hope for is a decent East stand (full rebuild) and not sure we will even get that... Like I posted elsewhere, the Haupttribune at St Pauli has the same depth as the current East Stand. Holds 6,200ish. Questions for you Chewy seeing as you seem to think this is the silver bullet and are spending the money! How much did that cost? Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand? How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes? How would it be financed with us? What would be the projected ROI and over how many years? To me that looks like about £8-10m worth of stand. Minimum. |
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