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Post by singupgas on Feb 29, 2024 18:44:04 GMT
Like I posted elsewhere, the Haupttribune at St Pauli has the same depth as the current East Stand. Holds 6,200ish.  Questions for you Chewy seeing as you seem to think this is the silver bullet and are spending the money! How much did that cost?  Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand? How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes? How would it be financed with us?  What would be the projected ROI and over how many years? To me that looks like about £8-10m worth of stand.  Minimum. You are asking all the questions the owners of the club should have the answers for. I don't get the attitude on here, continuing expect the bare minimum and don't really expect the owners to put their hands in the thier pockets. If we don't end up with a modern ground you should be asking why, why have they bought the club and walked away from 2 stadium opportunities. |
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 29, 2024 19:22:37 GMT
Like I posted elsewhere, the at St Pauli has the same depth as the current East Stand. Holds 6,200ish. Questions for you Chewy seeing as you seem to think this is the silver bullet and are spending the money! How much did that cost?  Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand? How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes? How would it be financed with us?  What would be the projected ROI and over how many years? To me that looks like about £8-10m worth of stand.  Minimum. The overall costs of the Millerntor rebuild was €55m over a 9 year period. Hearts’ Main Stand (£11m in 2017), Hibs’ East Stand (£6m in 2011), Preston’s The Invisibles Stand (£10m in 2011) and Watford’s Elton John Stand (£4.9m in 2015) would all be stands I’d be looking at. Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand?The Haupttribune includes boxes, The Ballsaal (a large area for Conferences, Dinners, Trade Fairs etc), Changing Rooms (built into the corner with the Sudcurve), Media Centres, a daycare centre, 36 corporate boxes and has a seated capacity of c6,500. The daycare centre is owned and operated by the club and the largest in Germany. How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes?€200 per person, 16 per box, 36 boxes…€115,200 per game… 17 League games a season and then however many in the Pokel so let’s say just short of €2m income per season then minus whatever running costs. How would it be financed with us? What would be the projected ROI and over how many years?Not a scooby but then I’ve not been daft enough to buy a football club. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 1, 2024 14:01:43 GMT
Questions for you Chewy seeing as you seem to think this is the silver bullet and are spending the money! How much did that cost? Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand? How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes? How would it be financed with us? What would be the projected ROI and over how many years? To me that looks like about £8-10m worth of stand. Minimum. The overall costs of the Millerntor rebuild was €55m over a 9 year period. Hearts’ Main Stand (£11m in 2017), Hibs’ East Stand (£6m in 2011), Preston’s The Invisibles Stand (£10m in 2011) and Watford’s Elton John Stand (£4.9m in 2015) would all be stands I’d be looking at. Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand?The Haupttribune includes boxes, The Ballsaal (a large area for Conferences, Dinners, Trade Fairs etc), Changing Rooms (built into the corner with the Sudcurve), Media Centres, a daycare centre, 36 corporate boxes and has a seated capacity of c6,500. The daycare centre is owned and operated by the club and the largest in Germany. How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes?€200 per person, 16 per box, 36 boxes…€115,200 per game… 17 League games a season and then however many in the Pokel so let’s say just short of €2m income per season then minus whatever running costs. How would it be financed with us? What would be the projected ROI and over how many years?Not a scooby but then I’ve not been daft enough to buy a football club.I have always wondered what the draw is to taking ownership of a football club, especially one like ours which doesnt have a lot going for it |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 1, 2024 15:30:50 GMT
Questions for you Chewy seeing as you seem to think this is the silver bullet and are spending the money! How much did that cost? Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand? How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes? How would it be financed with us? What would be the projected ROI and over how many years? To me that looks like about £8-10m worth of stand. Minimum. Well building and planning costs have certainly matured since then. Our South Stand has exceeded £3m in what is something modular or temporary. I would say something like your proposing would be in the region of £12-14m currently. Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand?Fair. I hope we are looking at similar to make it cost effective. How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes?Assuming all would sell out. We couldnt sell out our current hospitality for the Norwich game at £150 per head. The costs are something that need to be listed to see whether its profitable or not. How would it be financed with us? What would be the projected ROI and over how many years?How do you know this is something we can afford if you havent got a clue? I would say that at £10m spend it would take you a minimum 8 years to return and years 9-10 would be profit. If you sold it out everyweek. |
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 1, 2024 17:08:19 GMT
How much did that cost? Well building and planning costs have certainly matured since then.  Our South Stand has exceeded £3m in what is something modular or temporary. I would say something like your proposing would be in the region of £12-14m currently. Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand?Fair.  I hope we are looking at similar to make it cost effective. How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes?Assuming all would sell out.  We couldnt sell out our current hospitality for the Norwich game at £150 per head.  The costs are something that need to be listed to see whether it’s profitable or not. How would it be financed with us? What would be the projected ROI and over how many years?How do you know this is something we can afford if you havent got a clue?  I would say that at £10m spend it would take you a minimum 8 years to return and years 9-10 would be profit.  If you sold it out everyweek. If they can’t afford it, why on earth did they buy? I mean I know why the al-Qadi's did, kept the village idiot from the bank. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 1, 2024 18:56:59 GMT
How much did that cost? The overall costs of the Millerntor rebuild was €55m over a 9 year period. Hearts’ Main Stand (£11m in 2017), Hibs’ East Stand (£6m in 2011), Preston’s The Invisibles Stand (£10m in 2011) and Watford’s Elton John Stand (£4.9m in 2015) would all be stands I’d be looking at. Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand?The Haupttribune includes boxes, The Ballsaal (a large area for Conferences, Dinners, Trade Fairs etc), Changing Rooms (built into the corner with the Sudcurve), Media Centres, a daycare centre, 36 corporate boxes and has a seated capacity of c6,500. The daycare centre is owned and operated by the club and the largest in Germany. How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes?€200 per person, 16 per box, 36 boxes…€115,200 per game… 17 League games a season and then however many in the Pokel so let’s say just short of €2m income per season then minus whatever running costs. How would it be financed with us? What would be the projected ROI and over how many years?Not a scooby but then I’ve not been daft enough to buy a football club. I have always wondered what the draw is to taking ownership of a football club, especially one like ours which doesnt have a lot going for it You have to sense from what was said last they see it as an investment opportunity, whether they are naive or we can't see the potential only time will tell, Abdulatiff gave the impression he's pretty switched on, far more so than Wael's ever done in the past. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 1, 2024 19:01:37 GMT
If they can’t afford it, why on earth did they buy? I mean I know why the al-Qadi's did, kept the village idiot from the bank. Who said the can't afford it? Abdulatiff seemed pretty confident they can access the finance to complete the intended work, as far as the "village idiot" he's bought a bit of farm land for £2m which could now be worth £10m+, which is probably the best bit of business we've done since we bought the Mem. |
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Post by supergas on Mar 2, 2024 8:33:57 GMT
Not a scooby but then I’ve not been daft enough to buy a football club. I have always wondered what the draw is to taking ownership of a football club, especially one like ours which doesnt have a lot going for it I've always assumed it helps your other business interests. You meet other local business owners and make contacts via wining and dining them at 'your' club. Can't imagine anyone actually wants to own a football club to make a profit directly from it... |
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Post by kentgas on Mar 2, 2024 11:43:20 GMT
Went to Bromley earlier this season and massively impressed by their set up Way above National League level and puts us to shame. 500 seat sports bar/ restaurant open 7 days a week www.hellobroomfields.co.uk/ |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 2, 2024 12:11:51 GMT
How much did that cost? The overall costs of the Millerntor rebuild was €55m over a 9 year period. Hearts’ Main Stand (£11m in 2017), Hibs’ East Stand (£6m in 2011), Preston’s The Invisibles Stand (£10m in 2011) and Watford’s Elton John Stand (£4.9m in 2015) would all be stands I’d be looking at. Is there any other commercial partnerships/incentives within that stand?The Haupttribune includes boxes, The Ballsaal (a large area for Conferences, Dinners, Trade Fairs etc), Changing Rooms (built into the corner with the Sudcurve), Media Centres, a daycare centre, 36 corporate boxes and has a seated capacity of c6,500. The daycare centre is owned and operated by the club and the largest in Germany. How much income is drawn from the hospitality boxes?€200 per person, 16 per box, 36 boxes…€115,200 per game… 17 League games a season and then however many in the Pokel so let’s say just short of €2m income per season then minus whatever running costs. How would it be financed with us? What would be the projected ROI and over how many years?Not a scooby but then I’ve not been daft enough to buy a football club. I have always wondered what the draw is to taking ownership of a football club, especially one like ours which doesnt have a lot going for it That's a question which is hard to answer! All I can say is 'what makes folk like us support Rovers, a club which does not seem to have a lot going for it! but support them we do because....... we just do!, and probably most of us would buy the club if we had the funds wouldn't we? |
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Post by mftc on Mar 6, 2024 9:30:56 GMT
With the development of the Brabazon district on the old airfield we could potentially have thousands of new supporters on our doorstep.
Need to have sufficient spaces ready in the next 4-5 years.
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Post by slimbridgegas on Mar 6, 2024 10:18:16 GMT
Excellent point and probably deserves a separate thread.
It would be very easy to lay on football bus transport from this area. Something the club should take seriously in general anyway.
Could easily pull a huge amount of support as suggested …
Better still let’s build our stadium here - but it’s so obvious and we’ve discussed this many times.
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 6, 2024 12:13:01 GMT
With the development of the Brabazon district on the old airfield we could potentially have thousands of new supporters on our doorstep. Need to have sufficient spaces ready in the next 4-5 years. Gorringe would probably organise a bus from Abingdon. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 6, 2024 12:14:04 GMT
If they can’t afford it, why on earth did they buy? I mean I know why the al-Qadi's did, kept the village idiot from the bank. Who said the can't afford it? Abdulatiff seemed pretty confident they can access the finance to complete the intended work, as far as the "village idiot" he's bought a bit of farm land for £2m which could now be worth £10m+, which is probably the best bit of business we've done since we bought the Mem.  They can only afford to service the debt they will incur, I doubt very much they have the finances themselves or if they do, want to put that in themselves. This was evidence when I questioned him on the finances. I asked him directly how it would be financed, he said that they have access to low rates of finance from banks and other partners. He did avoid or not answer the question on whether it would saddle the club with debt on the balance sheet or whether it would be in the form or share conversion to personally do it. My personal feeling is that they will likely exit with the training ground built, stadium regenerated with us in the championship, if that's the case, to maximise the return, the club would have to show as little debt as possible and be generating revenue. If it's anywhere near the "30-35m Abullatif says they will invest on the bottom line, then no one is going to buy us. As a reality check, I doubt very much the land is worth £2-3m an acre at the Quarters, I put some pressure on him to reveal how much he was hoping to raise and it seemed like a figure he plucked out of the air without actually knowing the answer. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 6, 2024 12:24:44 GMT
I have always wondered what the draw is to taking ownership of a football club, especially one like ours which doesnt have a lot going for it You have to sense from what was said last they see it as an investment opportunity, whether they are naive or we can't see the potential only time will tell, Abdulatiff gave the impression he's pretty switched on, far more so than Wael's ever done in the past. So you have meet and talked to both in depth - Wow way to go toppy ! impressed |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Mar 6, 2024 12:28:37 GMT
Thought I'd seen the plans for a few seconds there. It was the stadium at Babbacombe model village.
As you were
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Post by gasheadontour on Mar 6, 2024 13:18:46 GMT
Who said the can't afford it? Abdulatiff seemed pretty confident they can access the finance to complete the intended work, as far as the "village idiot" he's bought a bit of farm land for £2m which could now be worth £10m+, which is probably the best bit of business we've done since we bought the Mem.  They can only afford to service the debt they will incur, I doubt very much they have the finances themselves or if they do, want to put that in themselves. This was evidence when I questioned him on the finances. I asked him directly how it would be financed, he said that they have access to low rates of finance from banks and other partners. He did avoid or not answer the question on whether it would saddle the club with debt on the balance sheet or whether it would be in the form or share conversion to personally do it. My personal feeling is that they will likely exit with the training ground built, stadium regenerated with us in the championship, if that's the case, to maximise the return, the club would have to show as little debt as possible and be generating revenue. If it's anywhere near the "30-35m Abullatif says they will invest on the bottom line, then no one is going to buy us. depends whether such a potential owner views a debt as serviceable. |
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Post by ifollowgas on Mar 17, 2024 10:59:18 GMT
No goals in 3 games, nothing much to cheer and no game for almost 2 weeks.
Now would be a good time to show us the proposed designs for the new East Stand.
Something other than poor results to talk about ...
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Post by supergas on Mar 17, 2024 11:08:16 GMT
No goals in 3 games, nothing much to cheer and no game for almost 2 weeks. Now would be a good time to show us the proposed designs for the new East Stand. Something other than poor results to talk about ... Why? The East Stand development is arguably the most important thing the club has done....ever...? Stupid to rush it out to make people feel better about a defeat or two... |
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Post by bisto180 on Mar 17, 2024 12:31:37 GMT
Something like this would be great!!  |
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