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Post by eric on Mar 17, 2024 13:08:08 GMT
No goals in 3 games, nothing much to cheer and no game for almost 2 weeks. Now would be a good time to show us the proposed designs for the new East Stand. Something other than poor results to talk about ... Why? The East Stand development is arguably the most important thing the club has done....ever...? Stupid to rush it out to make people feel better about a defeat or two... Didn’t the owner recently say the plans are pretty much done and the next step is to speak with the council? If that is the case I don’t see anything wrong with some transparency - in years gone by previous artist impressions of developments have been shared by the club. Is there an any harm in doing so if they make clear these are simply drawings and that they will be looking to liaise with the relevant people in the planning dept etc before formally submitting for permission? |
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Post by gasify on Mar 17, 2024 13:58:54 GMT
Why? The East Stand development is arguably the most important thing the club has done....ever...? Stupid to rush it out to make people feel better about a defeat or two... Didn’t the owner recently say the plans are pretty much done and the next step is to speak with the council? If that is the case I don’t see anything wrong with some transparency - in years gone by previous artist impressions of developments have been shared by the club. Is there an any harm in doing so if they make clear these are simply drawings and that they will be looking to liaise with the relevant people in the planning dept etc before formally submitting for permission? The problem is that some people won't understand that and then say "but you said there would be [insert feature]" Or, they haven't got the plans. One or the other. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 17, 2024 18:30:14 GMT
Why? The East Stand development is arguably the most important thing the club has done....ever...? Stupid to rush it out to make people feel better about a defeat or two... Didn’t the owner recently say the plans are pretty much done and the next step is to speak with the council? If that is the case I don’t see anything wrong with some transparency - in years gone by previous artist impressions of developments have been shared by the club. Is there an any harm in doing so if they make clear these are simply drawings and that they will be looking to liaise with the relevant people in the planning dept etc before formally submitting for permission? Once the club releases the plans we all know the protests will be started, it seems best to get everything agreed by the council before releasing the plans, perhaps even waiting until they are submitted to the council for formal approval in order to give them the minimum time to object. |
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Post by eric on Mar 17, 2024 18:39:16 GMT
Didn’t the owner recently say the plans are pretty much done and the next step is to speak with the council? If that is the case I don’t see anything wrong with some transparency - in years gone by previous artist impressions of developments have been shared by the club. Is there an any harm in doing so if they make clear these are simply drawings and that they will be looking to liaise with the relevant people in the planning dept etc before formally submitting for permission? Once the club releases the plans we all know the protests will be started, it seems best to get everything agreed by the council before releasing the plans, perhaps even waiting until they are submitted to the council for formal approval in order to give them the minimum time to object. The usual green nimby’s will protest no matter what. Just be transparent - getting some draft drawings out there will benefit everyone. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 17, 2024 18:40:58 GMT
Can’t wait to see the plans once they’re ready! 👍💪
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Mar 17, 2024 18:42:48 GMT
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Post by willytopp84 on Mar 17, 2024 20:31:05 GMT
Anyone heard any rumours about if its gunna be a bodge job or a rebuild?
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Post by bristolbluegas on Mar 17, 2024 20:35:39 GMT
Anyone heart any rumours about if its gunna be a bodge job or a rebuild? A full rebuild is what I've been led to believe. Anything less wouldn't make financial sense.... |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 17, 2024 20:47:43 GMT
Anyone heart any rumours about if its gunna be a bodge job or a rebuild? Anything less wouldn't make financial sense.... By who, as the club have been totally silent? |
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Post by eric on Mar 17, 2024 21:44:23 GMT
Anyone heart any rumours about if its gunna be a bodge job or a rebuild? A full rebuild is what I've been led to believe. Anything less wouldn't make financial sense.... I thought the only thing that’s come from the owner/club was that it was going to be an extension. Do you have a source within the club? Exciting development if they are now looking at a complete rebuild |
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Post by heartofgas on Mar 18, 2024 20:02:04 GMT
A full rebuild is what I've been led to believe. Anything less wouldn't make financial sense.... I thought the only thing that’s come from the owner/club was that it was going to be an extension. Do you have a source within the club? Exciting development if they are now looking at a complete rebuild I guess it depends what the relative costs are, most likely to get the planning nod and provide the quickest return on investment. The bodge job isn't necessarily the cheapest option in the long run. |
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Post by heartofgas on Mar 18, 2024 20:03:45 GMT
Why wouldn't you put a corner stand in between the north and east side? Looks good though. |
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Post by eric on Mar 18, 2024 20:40:32 GMT
I thought the only thing that’s come from the owner/club was that it was going to be an extension. Do you have a source within the club? Exciting development if they are now looking at a complete rebuild I guess it depends what the relative costs are, most likely to get the planning nod and provide the quickest return on investment. The bodge job isn't necessarily the cheapest option in the long run. I’m not sure it needs to be either a huge and expensive demolition and complete rebuild or a “bodge job”. Plenty of room for something in between. Hopefully the architects will come up with some good plans, an extension if done properly could be really good - I think everyone has images of the extension being similar to Carlisle (which was a proper bodge) but I can’t see the owners doing something that stupid. |
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Post by aghast on Mar 18, 2024 22:54:41 GMT
I guess it depends what the relative costs are, most likely to get the planning nod and provide the quickest return on investment. The bodge job isn't necessarily the cheapest option in the long run. I’m not sure it needs to be either a huge and expensive demolition and complete rebuild or a “bodge job”. Plenty of room for something in between. Hopefully the architects will come up with some good plans, an extension if done properly could be really good - I think everyone has images of the extension being similar to Carlisle (which was a proper bodge) but I can’t see the owners doing something that stupid. I'd like to agree with you and hope you're right, but this is Bristol Rovers we're talking about here ... |
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Post by ifollowgas on Mar 19, 2024 11:30:47 GMT
Anyone heart any rumours about if its gunna be a bodge job or a rebuild? A full rebuild is what I've been led to believe. Anything less wouldn't make financial sense.... The pitch needs to be moved a few metres east and north. The old poorly designed East Stand completely demolished and rebuilt properly to a full length modern design in a better position & geometry, ready for possible connection with a new North Stand (at least part incorporating standing/safe-standing for those who prefer to stand). Don't bother trying to connect the new East Stand with the pre-fabricated South Stand, keep a SE corner gap for away fan's turnstiles & facilities, eliminating the need for a sterile unusable seating zone in or near the corner. Some stadia have a building and/or big screen in the corner, this would be a possibility. Replace the West Stand & sheds when the football quality improves to Championship standard and attendances warrant it. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 19, 2024 12:09:59 GMT
A full rebuild is what I've been led to believe. Anything less wouldn't make financial sense.... The pitch needs to be moved a few metres east and north. The old poorly designed East Stand completely demolished and rebuilt properly to a full length modern design in a better position & geometry, ready for possible connection with a new North Stand (at least part incorporating standing/safe-standing for those who prefer to stand). Don't bother trying to connect the new East Stand with the pre-fabricated South Stand, keep a SE corner gap for away fan's turnstiles & facilities, eliminating the need for a sterile unusable seating zone in or near the corner. Some stadia have a building and/or big screen in the corner, this would be a possibility. Replace the West Stand & sheds when the football quality improves to Championship standard and attendances warrant it. Unfortunately it's not down to individual fans what's planned, it's down to the owners and what they/the club can afford. Pretty certain if it was down to us we'd just demolish the whole ground and start again. |
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Post by gasbluesman on Mar 19, 2024 13:22:55 GMT
A full rebuild is what I've been led to believe. Anything less wouldn't make financial sense.... The pitch needs to be moved a few metres east and north. The old poorly designed East Stand completely demolished and rebuilt properly to a full length modern design in a better position & geometry, ready for possible connection with a new North Stand (at least part incorporating standing/safe-standing for those who prefer to stand). Don't bother trying to connect the new East Stand with the pre-fabricated South Stand, keep a SE corner gap for away fan's turnstiles & facilities, eliminating the need for a sterile unusable seating zone in or near the corner. Some stadia have a building and/or big screen in the corner, this would be a possibility. Replace the West Stand & sheds when the football quality improves to Championship standard and attendances warrant it. I’ve gone through many scribblings on printed copies of google maps with all my ideas. Ranging from turning the pitch 90 degrees, shifting it, even thinking we can take a section of Goodison park when they’re done with it! The reality is the owners aren’t moving the pitch as levelling the terraces would take too much time so they are building off of them. Not to say it would be a bodge job as it’s simply using the internals of the east stand as a foundation which works out a lot cheaper than a complete rebuild. I imagine we’ll see something two tiered that wraps all the way round to the north. All the boxes and mod cons needed for a modern stadium will be placed there, tunnel possibly moved central or into the SE corner like at PAFC. If that all goes well and we’re sitting pretty in the championship then they’d think about a nice new steep simple “bums on seats” single tier west stand that will eventually encroach onto the “temporary” south stand. |
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Post by ifollowgas on Mar 19, 2024 16:08:02 GMT
The pitch needs to be moved a few metres east and north. The old poorly designed East Stand completely demolished and rebuilt properly to a full length modern design in a better position & geometry, ready for possible connection with a new North Stand (at least part incorporating standing/safe-standing for those who prefer to stand). Don't bother trying to connect the new East Stand with the pre-fabricated South Stand, keep a SE corner gap for away fan's turnstiles & facilities, eliminating the need for a sterile unusable seating zone in or near the corner. Some stadia have a building and/or big screen in the corner, this would be a possibility. Replace the West Stand & sheds when the football quality improves to Championship standard and attendances warrant it. I’ve gone through many scribblings on printed copies of google maps with all my ideas. Ranging from turning the pitch 90 degrees, shifting it, even thinking we can take a section of Goodison park when they’re done with it! The reality is the owners aren’t moving the pitch as levelling the terraces would take too much time so they are building off of them. Not to say it would be a bodge job as it’s simply using the internals of the east stand as a foundation which works out a lot cheaper than a complete rebuild. I imagine we’ll see something two tiered that wraps all the way round to the north. All the boxes and mod cons needed for a modern stadium will be placed there, tunnel possibly moved central or into the SE corner like at PAFC. If that all goes well and we’re sitting pretty in the championship then they’d think about a nice new steep simple “bums on seats” single tier west stand that will eventually encroach onto the “temporary” south stand. The pitch layout can stay where it is until the stand(s) is(are) built. However the new East and North stands could be positioned back a few metres of the current stand/terracing footprints otherwise there may be insufficient space around the pitch by modern stadium standards. Also, the playing surface has a slight slope which could be rectified at some time in the future if the positioning of the new buildings took this into account. |
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Post by aghast on Mar 19, 2024 16:58:41 GMT
I’ve gone through many scribblings on printed copies of google maps with all my ideas. Ranging from turning the pitch 90 degrees, shifting it, even thinking we can take a section of Goodison park when they’re done with it! The reality is the owners aren’t moving the pitch as levelling the terraces would take too much time so they are building off of them.  Not to say it would be a bodge job as it’s simply using the internals of the east stand as a foundation which works out a lot cheaper than a complete rebuild. I imagine we’ll see something two tiered that wraps all the way round to the north. All the boxes and mod cons needed for a modern stadium will be placed there, tunnel possibly moved central or into the SE corner like at PAFC. If that all goes well and we’re sitting pretty in the championship then they’d think about a nice new steep simple “bums on seats” single tier west stand that will eventually encroach onto the “temporary” south stand. The pitch layout can stay where it is until the stand(s) is(are) built. However the new East and North stands could be positioned back a few metres of the current stand/terracing footprints otherwise there may be insufficient space around the pitch by modern stadium standards. Also, the playing surface has a slight slope which could be rectified at some time in the future if the positioning of the new buildings took this into account. How are we going to move the East stand back if it's staying put and being extended? Which the owner specifically said it is. There isn't going to be a new East stand, however much we might pretend to ourselves that there will be. Hope we manage to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 19, 2024 17:34:59 GMT
Some posters seem to have got it into their heads that we're getting a new East Stand, even though the owner has categorically stated the present stand is just going to be extended. The owner even went as far as saying some of the terracing would remain.
When you ask posters for any evidence that a new stand will be built they don't even bother to reply.
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