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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 14:46:55 GMT
You have to wonder what is taking them so long in appointing or announcing improvements in the recruitment and scouting departments, especially after the owner talked of appointing "club staff" and the manager admitting we are "playing catch-up" in that area. A lot of clubs are in a similar position. How make clubs didn't take a chance on him. Why did Middleborough let him go?? Same with many players. Swansea let Whittaker go for a million, 6 months later Plymouth fans are saying they wouldn't except 10 million and he's being linked with Prem sides. A lot of clubs don't take the risk, in case they get it wrong. I expect for every good player that we say this about, there are loans that didn't step up that we thought could. Rovers have been pretty poor at picking up players without pre-existing relationships with staff. Not that that's a bad approach but it does feel we're missing out on slightly left field pickups that can be flipped for £££. Obviously that doesn't always work, for every Ivan Toney Peterborough have signed there's a Luke James. There also does tend to be an obsession with making profits, I see it mentioned a lot regarding re-signing Jonson. If you get 70+ goals from him out of him in 3 seasons and he leaves on a free, that's also value! I'm hopeful that a new structure will yield results with value in plenty of different ways. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 18, 2024 15:17:27 GMT
A lot of clubs are in a similar position. How make clubs didn't take a chance on him. Why did Middleborough let him go?? Same with many players. Swansea let Whittaker go for a million, 6 months later Plymouth fans are saying they wouldn't except 10 million and he's being linked with Prem sides. A lot of clubs don't take the risk, in case they get it wrong. I expect for every good player that we say this about, there are loans that didn't step up that we thought could. Rovers have been pretty poor at picking up players without pre-existing relationships with staff. Not that that's a bad approach but it does feel we're missing out on slightly left field pickups that can be flipped for £££. Obviously that doesn't always work, for every Ivan Toney Peterborough have signed there's a Luke James. There also does tend to be an obsession with making profits, I see it mentioned a lot regarding re-signing Jonson. If you get 70+ goals from him out of him in 3 seasons and he leaves on a free, that's also value! I'm hopeful that a new structure will yield results with value in plenty of different ways. We could do better. But Taylor, Evans, McCormack, Thomas, Ward, Collins etc had no real links with us, when they signed the first time?? We might have got lucky with some, but it's not like we only look at players from the managers past. With today's stats, videos, agents pushing players it doesn't take long to find out about a lot of players. Which ones do you take the risk on though? |
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Post by gasmania on Jan 18, 2024 15:27:09 GMT
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 15:35:39 GMT
Rovers have been pretty poor at picking up players without pre-existing relationships with staff. Not that that's a bad approach but it does feel we're missing out on slightly left field pickups that can be flipped for £££. Obviously that doesn't always work, for every Ivan Toney Peterborough have signed there's a Luke James. There also does tend to be an obsession with making profits, I see it mentioned a lot regarding re-signing Jonson. If you get 70+ goals from him out of him in 3 seasons and he leaves on a free, that's also value! I'm hopeful that a new structure will yield results with value in plenty of different ways. We could do better. But Taylor, Evans, McCormack, Thomas, Ward, Collins etc had no real links with us, when they signed the first time?? We might have got lucky with some, but it's not like we only look at players from the managers past. With today's stats, videos, agents pushing players it doesn't take long to find out about a lot of players. Which ones do you take the risk on though? That's why you need balance in squads. You can't go all in on young potential like Garner did as an example. A well rounded squad will be able to function with a few players not quite at that standard. You'll never get every signing right and every signing won't work straight away. You just need to ensure your investments overall come out positive. |
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Post by Kipper on Jan 18, 2024 16:18:41 GMT
We certainly need some forwards who can put the ball in the back of the net replacing our goal-shy liability's. Carry on at this rate and mid-table will be a tall order!
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 18, 2024 16:20:30 GMT
We certainly need some forwards who can put the ball in the back of the net replacing our goal-shy liability's. Carry on at this rate and mid-table will be a tall order! UTG. How many games in a row have we scored in?? I think we could do with an extra striker, but scoring hasn't been a major issue. |
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Post by Kipper on Jan 18, 2024 16:29:27 GMT
With half a season of countless missed chances I would say goal scoring has been a major issue.
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Post by Kipper on Jan 18, 2024 16:32:44 GMT
With half a season of countless missed chances I would say goal scoring has been a major issue.
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2024 16:37:38 GMT
Being clinical in both boxes has been an issue, keeping them out at one end and putting chances away at the other. Stats aren't everything and we can see the issues with our own eyes, but Expected Goals xG 10th and xG Conceded 13th would indicate mid table, or "a nearly team" as the manager called it, which is exactly what we are....currently sat 11th in the table.
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Post by playtowin on Jan 18, 2024 16:47:12 GMT
Being clinical in both boxes has been an issue, keeping them out at one end and putting chances away at the other. Stats aren't everything and we can see the issues with our own eyes, but Expected Goals xG 10th and xG Conceded 13th would indicate mid table, or "a nearly team" as the manager called it, which is exactly what we are....currently sat 11th in the table. I would say keeping them out is the more pressing issue currently. We have the ability to score against most teams in league one. Clean sheets will see the team climb the table. That might not just be about keepers and defenders. It could be about formation or players further up the pitch defending better. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 18, 2024 16:50:23 GMT
We certainly need some forwards who can put the ball in the back of the net replacing our goal-shy liability's. Carry on at this rate and mid-table will be a tall order! UTG. How many games in a row have we scored in?? I think we could do with an extra striker, but scoring hasn't been a major issue. It's both ends. We have lacked a natural finisher, we have no natural left/right back thats fit/good enough and our experienced centre half has been broken for quite a few months of the season. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2024 16:51:45 GMT
Being clinical in both boxes has been an issue, keeping them out at one end and putting chances away at the other. Stats aren't everything and we can see the issues with our own eyes, but Expected Goals xG 10th and xG Conceded 13th would indicate mid table, or "a nearly team" as the manager called it, which is exactly what we are....currently sat 11th in the table. I would say keeping them out is the more pressing issue currently. We have the ability to score against most teams in league one. Clean sheets will see the team climb the table. That might not just be about keepers and defenders. It could be about formation or players further up the pitch defending better. We don't have anyone with pace to stretch teams in behind and are far too predictable at times going forward. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2024 17:00:32 GMT
FFS
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Post by playtowin on Jan 18, 2024 17:06:15 GMT
I would say keeping them out is the more pressing issue currently. We have the ability to score against most teams in league one. Clean sheets will see the team climb the table. That might not just be about keepers and defenders. It could be about formation or players further up the pitch defending better. We don't have anyone with pace to stretch teams in behind and are far too predictable at times going forward. Collins and Brown are quicker than 90% of defenders. Just utilising them better i guess. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2024 17:09:22 GMT
We don't have anyone with pace to stretch teams in behind and are far too predictable at times going forward. Collins and Brown are quicker than 90% of defenders. Just utilising them better i guess. Neither are what I would call rapid, especially Brown. |
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Post by playtowin on Jan 18, 2024 17:13:08 GMT
Collins and Brown are quicker than 90% of defenders. Just utilising them better i guess. Neither are what I would call rapid, especially Brown. I guess its relative to what level you are at (?) A lightening fast national league south player often turns out to be bang average against higher level teams quite often. Would definitely look at speed tests rather than how they appear against other players (especially when coming from lower leagues) |
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Post by Goose on Jan 18, 2024 17:13:34 GMT
Collins and Brown are quicker than 90% of defenders. Just utilising them better i guess. Neither are what I would call rapid, especially Brown. Lewis Haldane anyone? |
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Post by kentgas on Jan 18, 2024 17:26:08 GMT
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 18, 2024 17:33:48 GMT
Agree.Had a great game in a pre season friendly at Kidderminster under GC but never really seemed up to it after that.Smart stadium there these days but un-likely to be restored to the EFL any time soon.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 18, 2024 17:35:12 GMT
How many games in a row have we scored in?? I think we could do with an extra striker, but scoring hasn't been a major issue. It's both ends. We have lacked a natural finisher, we have no natural left/right back thats fit/good enough and our experienced centre half has been broken for quite a few months of the season. Martin is a natural finisher, he doesn't press though, or stretch the defence. So we don't play as well, when he plays. |
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