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Post by yattongas on Jun 14, 2024 12:07:38 GMT
Not really ,portrays herself as a champion against corruption and bad government however, studiously never comments on those same issues which are endemic in Welsh Labour, complete double standards. She's happy sniping from the sidelines but her opinion is taken as fact by hundreds of thousands of people. Retractions and apologies for false information are seen by a few thousand... I've often wondered why she's not standing for election - like a few other loud voices on social media who are convinced they could do a better job, why are they not *actually* getting involved and doing a better job...? Sounds like she has rattled exactly the right people. Keep up the good work Vorders 👍
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Post by Gassy on Jun 14, 2024 12:46:53 GMT
Not really ,portrays herself as a champion against corruption and bad government however, studiously never comments on those same issues which are endemic in Welsh Labour, complete double standards. She's happy sniping from the sidelines but her opinion is taken as fact by hundreds of thousands of people. Retractions and apologies for false information are seen by a few thousand...
I've often wondered why she's not standing for election - like a few other loud voices on social media who are convinced they could do a better job, why are they not *actually* getting involved and doing a better job...? To be honest, this is a pretty good summary of most of the Tory party, its followers and right wing newspapers of the last few years. On your 2nd point, I think anyone is fair to moan, so long as they voted. The onus shouldn't on the the person moaning, on why they don't drop their life/career to get involved and do something better, it should be on the ones doing the bad job in the first place!
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Post by supergas on Jun 14, 2024 13:00:48 GMT
She's happy sniping from the sidelines but her opinion is taken as fact by hundreds of thousands of people. Retractions and apologies for false information are seen by a few thousand... I've often wondered why she's not standing for election - like a few other loud voices on social media who are convinced they could do a better job, why are they not *actually* getting involved and doing a better job...? Sounds like she has rattled exactly the right people. Keep up the good work Vorders 👍 ...and misled a lot of people with false accusations...
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Post by yattongas on Jun 14, 2024 13:22:43 GMT
Sounds like she has rattled exactly the right people. Keep up the good work Vorders 👍 ...and misled a lot of people with false accusations... So she’s be sued then has she or did she retract any false information she gave out on the same medium she spread this *false* info ? I’m guessing it’s on X twitter Examples ?
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 14, 2024 14:07:51 GMT
Not really ,portrays herself as a champion against corruption and bad government however, studiously never comments on those same issues which are endemic in Welsh Labour, complete double standards. She's happy sniping from the sidelines but her opinion is taken as fact by hundreds of thousands of people. Retractions and apologies for false information are seen by a few thousand... I've often wondered why she's not standing for election - like a few other loud voices on social media who are convinced they could do a better job, why are they not *actually* getting involved and doing a better job...? Because it's all about her and ego,plus she earns loads of her Twitter account.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 14, 2024 20:47:22 GMT
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Post by supergas on Jun 15, 2024 9:15:35 GMT
...and misled a lot of people with false accusations... So she’s be sued then has she or did she retract any false information she gave out on the same medium she spread this *false* info ? I’m guessing it’s on X twitter Examples ? The obvious example is the 22 defamatory tweets over six months (viewed over 20m times in total) about Tory chairman Greg Hands' role in PPE procurement. She was forced to delete them all and post a legally worded retraction/clarification - although there was no apology for posting false claims. Since the tweets are now deleted I can't be sure, but there was a company she claimed was late filing accounts (this one or a similar case) where she just mixed up company names on the Companies House website. Pretty simple thing to check, she didn't, again hundreds of thousands of people read the post before she deleted it. Aside from that she was/is subject to legal action from Dan Wooton about a series of tweets that were certainly defamatory and probably illegal when he was accused of a crime but never arrested or charged. Again, her claims were read by millions, the news that he was cleared was read by a small percentage of those... The problem with her (and a lot of others) on social media is that they are not held to the same standards as mainstream media or politicians on social media. Greg Hands as an example would have sued any TV/radio/newspaper that made those false allegations, but there was little reason to sue Vorderman. Same with Dan Wooton - he did sue the Guardian, Byline Times and I think a couple of other media companies for publishing the allegations (the Guardian paid out a six-figure sum in damages, ByLine Times are next in line) but Carol probably gets to delete them and move on, despite being read by a similar number of people as the ByLine Times...
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Post by yattongas on Jun 15, 2024 10:21:42 GMT
So she’s be sued then has she or did she retract any false information she gave out on the same medium she spread this *false* info ? I’m guessing it’s on X twitter Examples ? The obvious example is the 22 defamatory tweets over six months (viewed over 20m times in total) about Tory chairman Greg Hands' role in PPE procurement. She was forced to delete them all and post a legally worded retraction/clarification - although there was no apology for posting false claims. Since the tweets are now deleted I can't be sure, but there was a company she claimed was late filing accounts (this one or a similar case) where she just mixed up company names on the Companies House website. Pretty simple thing to check, she didn't, again hundreds of thousands of people read the post before she deleted it. Aside from that she was/is subject to legal action from Dan Wooton about a series of tweets that were certainly defamatory and probably illegal when he was accused of a crime but never arrested or charged. Again, her claims were read by millions, the news that he was cleared was read by a small percentage of those... The problem with her (and a lot of others) on social media is that they are not held to the same standards as mainstream media or politicians on social media. Greg Hands as an example would have sued any TV/radio/newspaper that made those false allegations, but there was little reason to sue Vorderman. Same with Dan Wooton - he did sue the Guardian, Byline Times and I think a couple of other media companies for publishing the allegations (the Guardian paid out a six-figure sum in damages, ByLine Times are next in line) but Carol probably gets to delete them and move on, despite being read by a similar number of people as the ByLine Times... Oh right the Greg Hands tweets 😂🙄 Hold your horses on that my friend ….
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 15, 2024 21:44:22 GMT
Not the first time I've seen the suggestion that the Conservatives will end up with fewer than 100 seats. "Two polls published today spell bad news for Rishi Sunak, with one showing a drop of four points and the other that his party is on course to pick up just 72 seats. A poll by Savanta for The Sunday Telegraph showed the Tories down four points to just 21% of the vote - the lowest by that pollster since the dying days of Theresa May's premiership in early 2019. In a boost for Nigel Farage, the poll showed Reform UK up three points with 13% of the vote. A separate Survation poll for Best for Britain, published by The Sunday Times, predicted the Tories would win just 72 seats in the next parliament, compared with 456 for Labour. The result would give Labour a majority of 262 seats - far surpassing the landslide Labour achieved by Sir Tony Blair in 1997 - while the Liberal Democrats would pick up 56 seats, Reform seven and the Greens one seat." news.sky.com/story/fresh-poll-predicts-tories-will-win-just-72-seats-in-next-parliament-13153645
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 15, 2024 21:53:40 GMT
Who favours PR v First Past the Post?
Reform could get hundreds of thousands of votes but very few MPs. Greens too.
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 16, 2024 6:26:31 GMT
Who favours PR v First Past the Post? Reform could get hundreds of thousands of votes but very few MPs. Greens too. I used to be against PR mainly due to the fact that it seldom produces a clear majority government however,it does seem inequitable that a substantial percentage of votes go to Party's who end up with a handful of MPs. On balance I favour the current system just as I always believe compromise can produce poor decisions.
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Post by supergas on Jun 16, 2024 11:35:55 GMT
Who favours PR v First Past the Post? Reform could get hundreds of thousands of votes but very few MPs. Greens too. I'd like a hybrid system. Each FPTP constituency would be larger, (say down to 500 slightly larger constituencies rather than the current 650, only changes the average size from 73k to 95k) so that we still have all the benefits of each voter having a directly elected MP. The remaining 150 seats would then be fully PR with each party using some kind of list system to nominate those who get elected. If Labour wins 40% of the vote overall they get 60 of these MPs. If Reform get 20% they would have 30 of them. Trouble is the UK rejected even an attempt to get AV put in place, so it's not a change that people seem to want yet - possibly because the results would lead to more MPs that people from all sides don't really want to see in Parliament...
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Post by supergas on Jun 16, 2024 12:11:23 GMT
Not the first time I've seen the suggestion that the Conservatives will end up with fewer than 100 seats. "Two polls published today spell bad news for Rishi Sunak, with one showing a drop of four points and the other that his party is on course to pick up just 72 seats. A poll by Savanta for The Sunday Telegraph showed the Tories down four points to just 21% of the vote - the lowest by that pollster since the dying days of Theresa May's premiership in early 2019. In a boost for Nigel Farage, the poll showed Reform UK up three points with 13% of the vote. A separate Survation poll for Best for Britain, published by The Sunday Times, predicted the Tories would win just 72 seats in the next parliament, compared with 456 for Labour.
The result would give Labour a majority of 262 seats - far surpassing the landslide Labour achieved by Sir Tony Blair in 1997 - while the Liberal Democrats would pick up 56 seats, Reform seven and the Greens one seat." news.sky.com/story/fresh-poll-predicts-tories-will-win-just-72-seats-in-next-parliament-13153645The MRP poll is interesting. If you compare it to the last MRP poll they did two weeks ago, the Conservatives are up one seat, Labour down 31, SNP up 11, Lib Dems up 13 and Reform up 4. The overall result is a Labour majority dropping from 324 two weeks ago to 262 now. Before anyone jumps up and down, clearly Labour are still on course for a large majority and it will be 150+ but what this is telling us is that the Conservatives are holding steady and Labour are losing support to the Lib Dems and the SNP. With the potential for shy Tories (again) and some who lean Labour thinking it's a foregone conclusion, I doubt the result will be what the predictions are showing even just three weeks out.
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Post by supergas on Jun 16, 2024 12:13:55 GMT
The obvious example is the 22 defamatory tweets over six months (viewed over 20m times in total) about Tory chairman Greg Hands' role in PPE procurement. She was forced to delete them all and post a legally worded retraction/clarification - although there was no apology for posting false claims. Since the tweets are now deleted I can't be sure, but there was a company she claimed was late filing accounts (this one or a similar case) where she just mixed up company names on the Companies House website. Pretty simple thing to check, she didn't, again hundreds of thousands of people read the post before she deleted it. Aside from that she was/is subject to legal action from Dan Wooton about a series of tweets that were certainly defamatory and probably illegal when he was accused of a crime but never arrested or charged. Again, her claims were read by millions, the news that he was cleared was read by a small percentage of those... The problem with her (and a lot of others) on social media is that they are not held to the same standards as mainstream media or politicians on social media. Greg Hands as an example would have sued any TV/radio/newspaper that made those false allegations, but there was little reason to sue Vorderman. Same with Dan Wooton - he did sue the Guardian, Byline Times and I think a couple of other media companies for publishing the allegations (the Guardian paid out a six-figure sum in damages, ByLine Times are next in line) but Carol probably gets to delete them and move on, despite being read by a similar number of people as the ByLine Times... Oh right the Greg Hands tweets 😂🙄 Hold your horses on that my friend …. I'm not judging what Hands did or did not do. I'm pointing out Vorderman had to delete and apologise for 22 false claims she made against him. Read and believed by millions. Now she says they were wrong and that correction has not been read by anywhere near as many people...
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 16, 2024 12:20:27 GMT
Who favours PR v First Past the Post? Reform could get hundreds of thousands of votes but very few MPs. Greens too. I used to be against PR mainly due to the fact that it seldom produces a clear majority government however,it does seem inequitable that a substantial percentage of votes go to Party's who end up with a handful of MPs. On balance I favour the current system just as I always believe compromise can produce poor decisions. I agree but it's something I'm really unsure about and can be swayed. I've never really been a huge fan of PR since I studied the Weimar Republic at school, thinking that at least FPTP ensured we had stability. The Roy Jenkins review recommended STV where the constituency MP kept the connections but the candidate with the fewest votes had their votes added to those still there until one candidate gets 51%. Not too keen on either a top up list for the Commons or changing the Lords from it's otherwise dignified revising chamber mandate. I'm not in favour of a wholly elected second chamber otherwise we are heading for a clash of wills, the Lords would assert a greater democratic mandate. As things stand, I'd probably go for STV for MPs and a top up list for the Lords, with the Lords being 20% elected and only one 12 year term for all.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 16, 2024 12:22:26 GMT
Oh right the Greg Hands tweets 😂🙄 Hold your horses on that my friend …. I'm not judging what Hands did or did not do. I'm pointing out Vorderman had to delete and apologise for 22 false claims she made against him. Read and believed by millions. Now she says they were wrong and that correction has not been read by anywhere near as many people... Again I ask , where did she post these allegations that there was wrong doings by Hands and where did she post the apologies? I’ve heard that Mr Hands is very litigious . Read into that what you like.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 16, 2024 13:30:53 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jun 16, 2024 17:57:59 GMT
Not sure why you bother reading that forum , it’s a bit like forcing yourself to watch GeeBeebies. Why would you do that ? 🙄😂
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