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Post by trevorgas on Jun 13, 2024 16:13:57 GMT
Renegotiate is fine. When the EU eventually says no, what then? Will the Security Pact be a big enough carrot? We are big players here in European terms, maybe. In all probability it's the four freedoms or status quo. 2029 manifesto to hold a referendum in early 2030s? Could it be sooner? Here’s what I’m hoping , Tories get annihilated in coming election . LibDem become official opposition and hold Labours feet to the fire on Brexit . With the Labour membership & voters strongly anti Brexit they wouldn’t be able to carry on denying the will of the people! It’s possible but unlikely but we live in hope 😁 Not going to happen,anyway a lot of labour voters voted for Brexit,Davey as official opposition god help us.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 13, 2024 16:56:22 GMT
Here’s what I’m hoping , Tories get annihilated in coming election . LibDem become official opposition and hold Labours feet to the fire on Brexit . With the Labour membership & voters strongly anti Brexit they wouldn’t be able to carry on denying the will of the people! It’s possible but unlikely but we live in hope 😁 Not going to happen,anyway a lot of labour voters voted for Brexit,Davey as official opposition god help us. Better him than Braverman etc . Although it’s unlikely it’s not impossible Libdems are official opposition on some of the polling that’s been out . what’s your views on Reform and the Greens Clive ? You don’t like the Tories , Labour and it would seem the Libdems either ! 😂
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 13, 2024 17:14:26 GMT
Not going to happen,anyway a lot of labour voters voted for Brexit,Davey as official opposition god help us. Better him than Braverman etc . Although it’s unlikely it’s not impossible Libdems are official opposition on some of the polling that’s been out . what’s your views on Reform and the Greens Clive ? You don’t like the Tories , Labour and it would seem the Libdems either ! 😂 Reform are a populist party in my view are they extreme right wing ,don't think so no more that Melonis party in Italy,they appeal to the xenophobic who blame all the countrys ills on migrants when not understanding it's a much more complex picture. Ah the Greens,I worry about the extremists within their ranks ,by that I mean those that appear to be antisemitic.Their policy of taxing your way to a better climate will never work ,you need to bring people with you not make them poorer in the process,I would expect the main party's to have a strong ,well thought out climate policy which should permeate through all their other policies. I have always been a Labour voter at GE time,this lot just perplex me,sticking to Tory spending etc,no tax increases etc. Where's the radical thinking ,I mean "we need to grow the economy" no sh** Sherlock ,we need a lot more than that . I want to hear mature debate about how we solve the crisis in NHS/Social care,how we look after and protect the disadvantaged and those unable to look after themselves. I want to hear about fundamental reform to our Public Services ,not just " we will stick more money and People in ",it doesn't solve the underlying challenges. Perhaps I'm hoping for too much having spent 50plus years being disappointed.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 13, 2024 17:34:38 GMT
Better him than Braverman etc . Although it’s unlikely it’s not impossible Libdems are official opposition on some of the polling that’s been out . what’s your views on Reform and the Greens Clive ? You don’t like the Tories , Labour and it would seem the Libdems either ! 😂 Reform are a populist party in my view are they extreme right wing ,don't think so no more that Melonis party in Italy,they appeal to the xenophobic who blame all the countrys ills on migrants when not understanding it's a much more complex picture. Ah the Greens,I worry about the extremists within their ranks ,by that I mean those that appear to be antisemitic.Their policy of taxing your way to a better climate will never work ,you need to bring people with you not make them poorer in the process,I would expect the main party's to have a strong ,well thought out climate policy which should permeate through all their other policies. I have always been a Labour voter at GE time,this lot just perplex me,sticking to Tory spending etc,no tax increases etc. Where's the radical thinking ,I mean "we need to grow the economy" no sh** Sherlock ,we need a lot more than that . I want to hear mature debate about how we solve the crisis in NHS/Social care,how we look after and protect the disadvantaged and those unable to look after themselves. I want to hear about fundamental reform to our Public Services ,not just " we will stick more money and People in ",it doesn't solve the underlying challenges. Perhaps I'm hoping for too much having spent 50plus years being disappointed. Fair answers . Share your frustration with Labour and their lack of offerings but the Tories & Brexit has totally shafted our country so I guess there’s no point making promises you can’t keep.
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 13, 2024 17:46:42 GMT
Reform are a populist party in my view are they extreme right wing ,don't think so no more that Melonis party in Italy,they appeal to the xenophobic who blame all the countrys ills on migrants when not understanding it's a much more complex picture. Ah the Greens,I worry about the extremists within their ranks ,by that I mean those that appear to be antisemitic.Their policy of taxing your way to a better climate will never work ,you need to bring people with you not make them poorer in the process,I would expect the main party's to have a strong ,well thought out climate policy which should permeate through all their other policies. I have always been a Labour voter at GE time,this lot just perplex me,sticking to Tory spending etc,no tax increases etc. Where's the radical thinking ,I mean "we need to grow the economy" no sh** Sherlock ,we need a lot more than that . I want to hear mature debate about how we solve the crisis in NHS/Social care,how we look after and protect the disadvantaged and those unable to look after themselves. I want to hear about fundamental reform to our Public Services ,not just " we will stick more money and People in ",it doesn't solve the underlying challenges. Perhaps I'm hoping for too much having spent 50plus years being disappointed. Fair answers . Share your frustration with Labour and their lack of offerings but the Tories & Brexit has totally shafted our country so I guess there’s no point making promises you can’t keep. Agreed however,treat us as mature adults and articulate the challenges,set out the road map to get there with attendant risks so people can buy into it even if it takes 10years. For too long politicians have talked at us and not to us as if we're idiots.Its not just Brexit ,the 400billion borrowed during COVID was always going to f..K the economy as I said to my other half ,furlough is great but there will be a heavy price to pay once we have to repay Perhaps we should stand🤭🤭
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Post by yattongas on Jun 13, 2024 18:44:45 GMT
Here’s what I’m hoping , Tories get annihilated in coming election . LibDem become official opposition and hold Labours feet to the fire on Brexit . With the Labour membership & voters strongly anti Brexit they wouldn’t be able to carry on denying the will of the people! It’s possible but unlikely but we live in hope 😁 Not going to happen,anyway a lot of labour voters voted for Brexit,Davey as official opposition god help us. x.com/samfr/status/1801312925719658913?s=61&t=40THHNNCsOVl4Ddwb35AKA
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 13, 2024 19:00:41 GMT
Amazing how his support for austerity has been totally ignored.
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Post by aghast on Jun 13, 2024 19:01:33 GMT
Better him than Braverman etc . Although it’s unlikely it’s not impossible Libdems are official opposition on some of the polling that’s been out . what’s your views on Reform and the Greens Clive ? You don’t like the Tories , Labour and it would seem the Libdems either ! 😂 Reform are a populist party in my view are they extreme right wing ,don't think so no more that Melonis party in Italy,they appeal to the xenophobic who blame all the countrys ills on migrants when not understanding it's a much more complex picture. Ah the Greens,I worry about the extremists within their ranks ,by that I mean those that appear to be antisemitic.Their policy of taxing your way to a better climate will never work ,you need to bring people with you not make them poorer in the process,I would expect the main party's to have a strong ,well thought out climate policy which should permeate through all their other policies. I have always been a Labour voter at GE time,this lot just perplex me,sticking to Tory spending etc,no tax increases etc. Where's the radical thinking ,I mean "we need to grow the economy" no sh** Sherlock ,we need a lot more than that . I want to hear mature debate about how we solve the crisis in NHS/Social care,how we look after and protect the disadvantaged and those unable to look after themselves. I want to hear about fundamental reform to our Public Services ,not just " we will stick more money and People in ",it doesn't solve the underlying challenges. Perhaps I'm hoping for too much having spent 50plus years being disappointed. Reform are UKIP reborn and given a shiny polish for the current world. UKIP were once described as BNP Lite. I think that was true of them then and it's true of Reform now in my opinion. It's all about immigration and rolling back the relatively liberal diverse society we now have. Of course many more moderate people are going to vote Reform, but that's because they've moved away from the Tories. The ones who worry me are the Right who have moved towards Reform because it's their best chance of getting some of their ideology implemented.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 13, 2024 20:20:19 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 13, 2024 20:22:39 GMT
Well, one thing is for sure, Julie Etchingham can't control 7 shouty, opinionated politicians.
They should have them in individual sound proof booths and cut the feed after 20 seconds.
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 13, 2024 20:45:44 GMT
She's been prattling on about this for weeks, interesting never says anything about Welsh Labour.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 13, 2024 20:51:06 GMT
She's been prattling on about this for weeks, interesting never says anything about Welsh Labour. Obvs includes all parts of the uk including Wales.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 13, 2024 20:56:22 GMT
She's been prattling on about this for weeks, interesting never says anything about Welsh Labour. PC softened their independence tone to attract ex Labour voters. Tempted?
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 13, 2024 21:05:16 GMT
She's been prattling on about this for weeks, interesting never says anything about Welsh Labour. PC softened their independence tone to attract ex Labour voters. Tempted? Nope,their just trying to pretend that independence isn't their critical objective when really it is .
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 13, 2024 21:07:58 GMT
She's been prattling on about this for weeks, interesting never says anything about Welsh Labour. Obvs includes all parts of the uk including Wales. Not really ,portrays herself as a champion against corruption and bad government however, studiously never comments on those same issues which are endemic in Welsh Labour, complete double standards.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 14, 2024 6:33:34 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jun 14, 2024 7:36:29 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 14, 2024 7:47:32 GMT
Is it more a case that Reform voters would watch GB News rather than GB News causing people to vote Reform? Mind you, those Conservative MPs who present shows are clearly doing a good job of swaying the viewer. 😇
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Post by yattongas on Jun 14, 2024 10:59:15 GMT
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Post by supergas on Jun 14, 2024 11:53:57 GMT
Obvs includes all parts of the uk including Wales. Not really ,portrays herself as a champion against corruption and bad government however, studiously never comments on those same issues which are endemic in Welsh Labour, complete double standards. She's happy sniping from the sidelines but her opinion is taken as fact by hundreds of thousands of people. Retractions and apologies for false information are seen by a few thousand... I've often wondered why she's not standing for election - like a few other loud voices on social media who are convinced they could do a better job, why are they not *actually* getting involved and doing a better job...?
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