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Post by timsburygas on Jan 2, 2024 12:53:56 GMT
Lots of doubts on here about the size of the budget, this from Salary Sport via X (twitter), league 2 budgets,
1) Derby -8.8m
2) Charlton - 6.3m
3) Bolton -6.2m
4) Portsmouth - 6m
5) Wigan -5.9m
6) Blackpool - 5.97m
7) Bristol Rovers - 5.8m
8) Oxford - 5.7m
9) Barnsley - 5.3m
10) Reading -4.9m
11) Peterborough - 4.2m
12) Wycombe -3.9m
13) Exeter - 3.9m
14) Stevenage -3.8m
15) Fleetwood - 3.7m
16) Orient - 3.5m
17) Lincoln - 3.4m
18) Shrewsbury -3.4m
19) Burton - 3.3m
20) Cambridge -3.2m
21) Port Vale - 3.2m
22) Carlisle - 2.9m
23) Northampton - 2.9m
24) Cheltenham - 2.5m
Shows we have underperformed for the amount of money available. Lot of expense on good players that are injury prone, that was always a gamble and has failed.
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Post by GasAttacK on Jan 2, 2024 13:06:28 GMT
Lots of doubts on here about the size of the budget, this from Salary Sport via X (twitter), league 2 budgets, 1) Derby -8.8m 2) Charlton - 6.3m 3) Bolton -6.2m 4) Portsmouth - 6m 5) Wigan -5.9m 6) Blackpool - 5.97m 7) Bristol Rovers - 5.8m 8) Oxford - 5.7m 9) Barnsley - 5.3m 10) Reading -4.9m 11) Peterborough - 4.2m 12) Wycombe -3.9m 13) Exeter - 3.9m 14) Stevenage -3.8m 15) Fleetwood - 3.7m 16) Orient - 3.5m 17) Lincoln - 3.4m 18) Shrewsbury -3.4m 19) Burton - 3.3m 20) Cambridge -3.2m 21) Port Vale - 3.2m 22) Carlisle - 2.9m 23) Northampton - 2.9m 24) Cheltenham - 2.5m Shows we have underperformed for the amount of money available. Lot of expense on good players that are injury prone, that was always a gamble and has failed. I agree to a certain extent. It has failed because a fair few have been or still are injured. However, if that is accurate and our budget would put us 7th we aren't actually that far away. Currently 10th, 2 points behind Northampton with a game in hand and 5 points behind Blackpool with 2 games in hand. We could end up 8th or 9th and not therefore far behind the budget. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 2, 2024 13:39:17 GMT
Lots of doubts on here about the size of the budget, this from Salary Sport via X (twitter), league 2 budgets, 1) Derby -8.8m 2) Charlton - 6.3m 3) Bolton -6.2m 4) Portsmouth - 6m 5) Wigan -5.9m 6) Blackpool - 5.97m 7) Bristol Rovers - 5.8m 8) Oxford - 5.7m 9) Barnsley - 5.3m 10) Reading -4.9m 11) Peterborough - 4.2m 12) Wycombe -3.9m 13) Exeter - 3.9m 14) Stevenage -3.8m 15) Fleetwood - 3.7m 16) Orient - 3.5m 17) Lincoln - 3.4m 18) Shrewsbury -3.4m 19) Burton - 3.3m 20) Cambridge -3.2m 21) Port Vale - 3.2m 22) Carlisle - 2.9m 23) Northampton - 2.9m 24) Cheltenham - 2.5m Shows we have underperformed for the amount of money available. Lot of expense on good players that are injury prone, that was always a gamble and has failed. What basis has been used to get those? They could use historical accounts but there will be a time lag and for some, divisional changes. Still subjective? |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 2, 2024 13:45:06 GMT
Lots of doubts on here about the size of the budget, this from Salary Sport via X (twitter), league 2 budgets, 1) Derby -8.8m 2) Charlton - 6.3m 3) Bolton -6.2m 4) Portsmouth - 6m 5) Wigan -5.9m 6) Blackpool - 5.97m 7) Bristol Rovers - 5.8m 8) Oxford - 5.7m 9) Barnsley - 5.3m 10) Reading -4.9m 11) Peterborough - 4.2m 12) Wycombe -3.9m 13) Exeter - 3.9m 14) Stevenage -3.8m 15) Fleetwood - 3.7m 16) Orient - 3.5m 17) Lincoln - 3.4m 18) Shrewsbury -3.4m 19) Burton - 3.3m 20) Cambridge -3.2m 21) Port Vale - 3.2m 22) Carlisle - 2.9m 23) Northampton - 2.9m 24) Cheltenham - 2.5m Shows we have underperformed for the amount of money available. Lot of expense on good players that are injury prone, that was always a gamble and has failed. What basis has been used to get those? They could use historical accounts but there will be a time lag and for some, divisional changes. Still subjective? Impossible to draw an accurate analysis. If you research any organisation you get a very very broad result on its income expenditure profit or loss. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 2, 2024 13:46:17 GMT
Lots of doubts on here about the size of the budget, this from Salary Sport via X (twitter), league 2 budgets, 1) Derby -8.8m 2) Charlton - 6.3m 3) Bolton -6.2m 4) Portsmouth - 6m 5) Wigan -5.9m 6) Blackpool - 5.97m 7) Bristol Rovers - 5.8m 8) Oxford - 5.7m 9) Barnsley - 5.3m 10) Reading -4.9m 11) Peterborough - 4.2m 12) Wycombe -3.9m 13) Exeter - 3.9m 14) Stevenage -3.8m 15) Fleetwood - 3.7m 16) Orient - 3.5m 17) Lincoln - 3.4m 18) Shrewsbury -3.4m 19) Burton - 3.3m 20) Cambridge -3.2m 21) Port Vale - 3.2m 22) Carlisle - 2.9m 23) Northampton - 2.9m 24) Cheltenham - 2.5m Shows we have underperformed for the amount of money available. Lot of expense on good players that are injury prone, that was always a gamble and has failed. Bollox ! No way have we got a bigger budget than Barnsley 🙄😂 |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 2, 2024 13:48:59 GMT
Lots of doubts on here about the size of the budget, this from Salary Sport via X (twitter), league 2 budgets, 1) Derby -8.8m 2) Charlton - 6.3m 3) Bolton -6.2m 4) Portsmouth - 6m 5) Wigan -5.9m 6) Blackpool - 5.97m 7) Bristol Rovers - 5.8m 8) Oxford - 5.7m 9) Barnsley - 5.3m 10) Reading -4.9m 11) Peterborough - 4.2m 12) Wycombe -3.9m 13) Exeter - 3.9m 14) Stevenage -3.8m 15) Fleetwood - 3.7m 16) Orient - 3.5m 17) Lincoln - 3.4m 18) Shrewsbury -3.4m 19) Burton - 3.3m 20) Cambridge -3.2m 21) Port Vale - 3.2m 22) Carlisle - 2.9m 23) Northampton - 2.9m 24) Cheltenham - 2.5m Shows we have underperformed for the amount of money available. Lot of expense on good players that are injury prone, that was always a gamble and has failed. Bollox ! No way have we got a bigger budget than Barnsley 🙄😂 I would say and Oxford ( bookies favourites in the summer ) and Peterboro. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 13:54:18 GMT
Just posted the below on another thread
I think we also need to clarify the word free transfer, lots of players get signing on fees as well, the players in demand, they take advantage of the demand and no fee.
All I will say is this, Barton asked for a bigger budget, he never once this summer or before he left said I’m working my hands tied here. He said he was working for free, this is a man who openly speaks, he’s not said once since he left he had a bad budget?
You only have to look at what Steve Evans has done with his budget, signing the likes of Harry Anderson and see where we are.
I think we could carry, 5 less players wages and paid out fees, currently we have 3 keepers, 3 LB’s Gordon, Friend, Clarke (4 with Vale), 3 RB’s Hunt, Hoole, Gibbons, these are al proper pros!
CM’s, Finely, Woods, Ward, Rossiter, Bogarde, Evans.
We have loads of players like Grant who was signed as a CM but played now CB, LB, RB.
The manager Matt Taylor has publicly said it’s a big squad, we are splitting hairs on wages over fees but the budget is top 8, the owner said it, Barton hasn’t complained before or after.
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 2, 2024 13:56:16 GMT
Take all these guesstimates with a pinch of salt, Football Manager 23 had us at 12th highest budget at £3,572,400.
Woohoo we’re overachieving. UTG! 😂
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 2, 2024 13:56:55 GMT
Just posted the below on another thread I think we also need to clarify the word free transfer, lots of players get signing on fees as well, the players in demand, they take advantage of the demand and no fee. All I will say is this, Barton asked for a bigger budget, he never once this summer or before he left said I’m working my hands tied here. He said he was working for free, this is a man who openly speaks, he’s not said once since he left he had a bad budget? You only have to look at what Steve Evans has done with his budget, signing the likes of Harry Anderson and see where we are. I think we could carry, 5 less players wages and paid out fees, currently we have 3 keepers, 3 LB’s Gordon, Friend, Clarke (4 with Vale), 3 RB’s Hunt, Hoole, Gibbons, these are al proper pros! CM’s, Finely, Woods, Ward, Rossiter, Bogarde, Evans. We have loads of players like Grant who was signed as a CM but played now CB, LB, RB. The manager Matt Taylor has publicly said it’s a big squad, we are splitting hairs on wages over fees but the budget is top 8, the owner said it, Barton hasn’t complained before or after. It be interesting to see what other forum users think now its be given a new thread! But let people have there say paul . |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 2, 2024 13:57:40 GMT
What basis has been used to get those? They could use historical accounts but there will be a time lag and for some, divisional changes. Still subjective? Impossible to draw an accurate analysis. If you research any organisation you get a very very broad result on its income expenditure profit or loss. Exactly, it's all speculative. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 14:00:20 GMT
Just posted the below on another thread I think we also need to clarify the word free transfer, lots of players get signing on fees as well, the players in demand, they take advantage of the demand and no fee. All I will say is this, Barton asked for a bigger budget, he never once this summer or before he left said I’m working my hands tied here. He said he was working for free, this is a man who openly speaks, he’s not said once since he left he had a bad budget? You only have to look at what Steve Evans has done with his budget, signing the likes of Harry Anderson and see where we are. I think we could carry, 5 less players wages and paid out fees, currently we have 3 keepers, 3 LB’s Gordon, Friend, Clarke (4 with Vale), 3 RB’s Hunt, Hoole, Gibbons, these are al proper pros! CM’s, Finely, Woods, Ward, Rossiter, Bogarde, Evans. We have loads of players like Grant who was signed as a CM but played now CB, LB, RB. The manager Matt Taylor has publicly said it’s a big squad, we are splitting hairs on wages over fees but the budget is top 8, the owner said it, Barton hasn’t complained before or after. It be interesting to see what other forum users think now its be given a new thread! But let people have there say paul . It’s a good debate, biggest budget in our history, more staff members in the management team than ever, I would not be surprised if we were losing over £4 million a year now. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 2, 2024 14:05:20 GMT
I think we’ll struggle to find someone to make a compelling case that we haven’t splashed the cash this season.
Unfortunately some of it isn’t spent well.
I imagine Josh Grant isn’t on much given he has struggled to get game time historically due to injury. Wouldn’t surprise me if Rossiter was paid well despite his injuries but another that should have been relatively cheap.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 2, 2024 14:20:55 GMT
Just posted the below on another thread I think we also need to clarify the word free transfer, lots of players get signing on fees as well, the players in demand, they take advantage of the demand and no fee. All I will say is this, Barton asked for a bigger budget, he never once this summer or before he left said I’m working my hands tied here. He said he was working for free, this is a man who openly speaks, he’s not said once since he left he had a bad budget? You only have to look at what Steve Evans has done with his budget, signing the likes of Harry Anderson and see where we are. I think we could carry, 5 less players wages and paid out fees, currently we have 3 keepers, 3 LB’s Gordon, Friend, Clarke (4 with Vale), 3 RB’s Hunt, Hoole, Gibbons, these are al proper pros! CM’s, Finely, Woods, Ward, Rossiter, Bogarde, Evans. We have loads of players like Grant who was signed as a CM but played now CB, LB, RB. The manager Matt Taylor has publicly said it’s a big squad, we are splitting hairs on wages over fees but the budget is top 8, the owner said it, Barton hasn’t complained before or after. It be interesting to see what other forum users think now its be given a new thread! But let people have their say paul . It ( OP) was on twitter (X) about a week ago and fans of other clubs ridiculed it . |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 2, 2024 14:29:47 GMT
It be interesting to see what other forum users think now its be given a new thread! But let people have there say paul . It’s a good debate, biggest budget in our history, more staff members in the management team than ever, I would not be surprised if we were losing over £4 million a year now. Hmm. Biggest budget in our history...perhaps but probably not in relative terms. Div3 players are earning 5k a week now, back in our div2 days our budget was probably bigger whilst players were on hundreds of pounds. Can someone clever work it out? |
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Post by TAGas on Jan 2, 2024 14:30:26 GMT
Interesting if true
Would have thought Oxford and Peterborough would have bigger budgets than us
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 2, 2024 14:34:13 GMT
It’s a good debate, biggest budget in our history, more staff members in the management team than ever, I would not be surprised if we were losing over £4 million a year now. Hmm. Biggest budget in our history...perhaps but probably not in relative terms. Div3 players are earning 5k a week now, back in our div2 days our budget was probably bigger whilst players were on hundreds of pounds. Can someone clever work it out? I would think Darrell Clarkes budget in the Conference was our biggest ever budget pro-rata and compared to the clubs competing with us that season. A close run second possibly Ollie’s budget circa 1999. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 2, 2024 14:36:24 GMT
It be interesting to see what other forum users think now its be given a new thread! But let people have there say paul . It’s a good debate, biggest budget in our history, more staff members in the management team than ever, I would not be surprised if we were losing over £4 million a year now. Biggest budget in our history is a bit of misnomer as every season with inflation the budget will go up . Didn’t the 💩 post something like a £20m loss for the last yr ? So if we are losing money now it’ll be small fry compared to what we’d be losing if we ever got to the championship and wanted to stay there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 14:41:06 GMT
Regardless of whatever league or what the budget was relative to the league, let’s do it with a CEO or FD head on, it’s our biggest budget in our history to date which will also show our biggest loss in our history (take away the Covid season), I feel confident saying this.
Re the Holloway budget, at least he had Ellington left to sale when he went and others.
The previous owner needed help, it’s why he got the Kuwaiti’s involved and they have now smelled the coffee. We haven’t replaced our head of media, hotels cancelled, we can’t blame them, we are haemorrhaging money, we have no one in the squad we can sell either.
The manager asked for a top budget, he got it, he never complained did he?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 2, 2024 14:41:44 GMT
With a few decent results we could make the top 8 so more or less where we should be if budget equals league position?
There are always anomalies in L1 like Stevenage, and Shrewsbury in the past, but usually league positions are determined by the budget.
The bigger question is will the new owners give MT a similar, or even better, budget next season if we don't make the play offs this season and can he spend it anymore wisely?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 14:43:51 GMT
It’s a good debate, biggest budget in our history, more staff members in the management team than ever, I would not be surprised if we were losing over £4 million a year now. Biggest budget in our history is a bit of misnomer as every season with inflation the budget will go up . Didn’t the 💩 post something like a £20m loss for the last yr ? So if we are losing money now it’ll be small fry compared to what we’d be losing if we ever got to the championship and wanted to stay there. Inflation is part of life, ticket prices went up, the price of beers in the club bars. And re DC management team, look at it in the conference to today, we have two nutritionists today! |
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