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Post by yattongas on Jan 4, 2024 10:26:57 GMT
Brexit signifie Brexit, vous êtes un europhile décrépit Bless him 🙄😂 |
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 4, 2024 10:32:05 GMT
Yeah that has totally cleared things up for me - thank you. Any success he has had in his career should be credited to JB signing him  (but also he is not good enough ) FWIW nobody was saying he was one of Cardiff's "better players" either FFS - where did you get that from? He was a young prospect they sent on loan to a club a few leagues down (as most clubs do with their youth players). I guess the idea was to develop him for the first team or at least attract a fee from a transfer. In fact after his successful loan spell with us they even renewed his contract. I'm fully behind him. Really would have liked to have seen him in a 3 with CT and Wilson - but I guess that is unlikely to happen now. Exciting to see what MT can do with him though. Definitely a player in there IMO. Not good enough for us at this standard. He definitely wasn’t obscure because he played for Cardiff youth What a strange point to labour over. When I posted "Cardiff is pretty obscure, I guess.." it was a tongue-in-cheek joke about Cardiff. Although tbf I wouldn't consider a player in Cardiff's youth set-up particularly obscure IMO. No doubt the Cardiff coaching staff look at the standard of the player and offer him out to clubs playing a level where they think he will get game time (and therefore help them to start developing to the level they aspire them to be). I very much doubt JB was personally watching youth games and approaching clubs about players that caught his eye (but who knows? maybe he did ) |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 4, 2024 10:45:27 GMT
I didn't mention LT? Nor could I comment on how close Beefy was to getting a first team appearance for Cardiff - although would have made far more sense for them to test the water with him further down the pyramid before giving him a run out in the Championship (which is what they did do). Not sure exactly what your point is actually.. on the one hand you were singing Barton's praises for plucking this kid from the obscurity of a Championship club keen to give him minutes - but then you also say you are reserving judgement on the lad (despite him having played a part in our promotion season and already playing a bit in L1 for us before dropping down the pecking order when we signed some more experienced)? *shrug* Apologies it was topper that mentioned LT. I’m reserving judgment that he’s gonna be any better before we shipped him off on loan to League 2 Morcombe where he has been integral to them getting to 17th None of us can be sure how close beefy was to the 1st team at Cardiff but I’m guessing it wasn’t that close as we didn’t need to twist their arms too much to get him. Championship clubs don’t often sale their better players to L2 teams - it typically it goes the other way. Of course he was an obscure singing not even Pirate had mentioned him, and any success he’s had in part should be credited to JB signing him and developing him. My personal opinion is that he’s not good enough. Hope that clears everything up for you Yet we purchased Taylor from a Championship club. |
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Post by richie on Jan 4, 2024 11:06:27 GMT
Not good enough for us at this standard. He definitely wasn’t obscure because he played for Cardiff youth What a strange point to labour over. When I posted "Cardiff is pretty obscure, I guess.." it was a tongue-in-cheek joke about Cardiff. Although tbf I wouldn't consider a player in Cardiff's youth set-up particularly obscure IMO. No doubt the Cardiff coaching staff look at the standard of the player and offer him out to clubs playing a level where they think he will get game time (and therefore help them to start developing to the level they aspire them to be). I very much doubt JB was personally watching youth games and approaching clubs about players that caught his eye (but who knows? maybe he did ) Wonder who was watching those games then? Genuine question to you sleepy - do you think he’ll be a success at the club? |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 4, 2024 11:34:08 GMT
What a strange point to labour over. When I posted "Cardiff is pretty obscure, I guess.." it was a tongue-in-cheek joke about Cardiff. Although tbf I wouldn't consider a player in Cardiff's youth set-up particularly obscure IMO. No doubt the Cardiff coaching staff look at the standard of the player and offer him out to clubs playing a level where they think he will get game time (and therefore help them to start developing to the level they aspire them to be). I very much doubt JB was personally watching youth games and approaching clubs about players that caught his eye (but who knows? maybe he did ) Wonder who was watching those games then? Genuine question to you sleepy - do you think he’ll be a success at the club? Did Fleetwood look at him before he joined Cardiff? |
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 4, 2024 11:41:07 GMT
What a strange point to labour over. When I posted "Cardiff is pretty obscure, I guess.." it was a tongue-in-cheek joke about Cardiff. Although tbf I wouldn't consider a player in Cardiff's youth set-up particularly obscure IMO. No doubt the Cardiff coaching staff look at the standard of the player and offer him out to clubs playing a level where they think he will get game time (and therefore help them to start developing to the level they aspire them to be). I very much doubt JB was personally watching youth games and approaching clubs about players that caught his eye (but who knows? maybe he did ) Wonder who was watching those games then? Genuine question to you sleepy - do you think he’ll be a success at the club? I guess I would measure success as him doing well enough to earn a contract extension with us in or by 2025, making a decent number of first team appearances along the way and/or being sold for an eventual profit. I don't think these are unrealistic aspirations. I would hope they could be achieved. But I am also able to appreciate that there is a fairly strong chance he might find himself unable to break into the first team should we sign more proven L1 CBs ahead of him in this window or the next. If that happens he might well find himself out on loan again or sold to free up wages / squad spaces. We'll know more once we see a bit of him under MT |
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Post by richie on Jan 4, 2024 11:58:18 GMT
Wonder who was watching those games then? Genuine question to you sleepy - do you think he’ll be a success at the club? I guess I would measure success as him doing well enough to earn a contract extension with us in or by 2025, making a decent number of first team appearances along the way and/or being sold for an eventual profit.I don't think these are unrealistic aspirations. I would hope they could be achieved. But I am also able to appreciate that there is a fairly strong chance he might find himself unable to break into the first team should we sign more proven L1 CBs ahead of him in this window or the next. If that happens he might well find himself out on loan again or sold to free up wages / squad spaces. We'll know more once we see a bit of him under MT come on, off that fence, yes or no will be be a success this time? (based on your own criteria) You've made the points of his pedigree, experience, coaching and youve seen him play numerous times ect... should be enough to form your own opinion. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2024 12:06:16 GMT
I guess I would measure success as him doing well enough to earn a contract extension with us in or by 2025, making a decent number of first team appearances along the way and/or being sold for an eventual profit.I don't think these are unrealistic aspirations. I would hope they could be achieved. But I am also able to appreciate that there is a fairly strong chance he might find himself unable to break into the first team should we sign more proven L1 CBs ahead of him in this window or the next. If that happens he might well find himself out on loan again or sold to free up wages / squad spaces. We'll know more once we see a bit of him under MT come on, off that fence, yes or no will be be a success this time? (based on your own criteria) You've made the points of his pedigree, experience, coaching and youve seen him play numerous times ect... should be enough to form your own opinion. We can draw judgement once he's had a few games alongside Taylor, given that seemed a very good CB partnership in L2. Not sure what any of us gain by writing off a player even before he's played a few games following a loan spell. Crama's transformation under MT shows the folly of doing that. |
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 4, 2024 12:11:42 GMT
I guess I would measure success as him doing well enough to earn a contract extension with us in or by 2025, making a decent number of first team appearances along the way and/or being sold for an eventual profit.I don't think these are unrealistic aspirations. I would hope they could be achieved. But I am also able to appreciate that there is a fairly strong chance he might find himself unable to break into the first team should we sign more proven L1 CBs ahead of him in this window or the next. If that happens he might well find himself out on loan again or sold to free up wages / squad spaces. We'll know more once we see a bit of him under MT come on, off that fence, yes or no will be be a success this time? (based on your own criteria) You've made the points of his pedigree, experience, coaching and youve seen him play numerous times ect... should be enough to form your own opinion. Hahaha, what has you so triggered here that you are trying to corner me into some kind of mystic prediction? As I have said many times there is potential there in my opinion - but potential does not always turn into success. It might require a bit of nurturing. This could be farming out on loan or it could be by giving them games here. You need luck with injuries and the tactics/formation to suit your strengths.. and the right personnel around you (players/coaches etc) to maximise that potential. He has a great opportunity now due to injuries to demonstrate to MT what JB saw in him. I'm fully behind him to do just that. |
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Post by richie on Jan 4, 2024 12:43:23 GMT
Not at all triggered just trying to understand
1) someone makes a comment you dont like
2) you argue
3) you dont make your own judgement
its the safest way to be, never saying anything wrong.
this is a football forum I really dont think you'll be taken to court over anything you say on here, even if it does turn out to be incorrect
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Post by richie on Jan 4, 2024 12:50:07 GMT
come on, off that fence, yes or no will be be a success this time? (based on your own criteria) You've made the points of his pedigree, experience, coaching and youve seen him play numerous times ect... should be enough to form your own opinion. We can draw judgement once he's had a few games alongside Taylor, given that seemed a very good CB partnership in L2. Not sure what any of us gain by writing off a player even before he's played a few games following a loan spell. Crama's transformation under MT shows the folly of doing that. instead of "we" and speaking for everyone else why dont you make your own judgement. I'm not writing him off, I just dont think he's good enough and would love to be proved wrong. Lets not forget he has already played 30 games at this level, different circumstance I agree. I'm crossing all my fingers and toes. Never want anyone to fail at Gas |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 4, 2024 12:52:53 GMT
Im all for giving him a chance. It was his first season at league one last season and he can adjust to be a success in this division just like Evans is doing. We paid a lot of money for him just to bin him off
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Post by percy on Jan 4, 2024 12:56:02 GMT
We can draw judgement once he's had a few games alongside Taylor, given that seemed a very good CB partnership in L2. Not sure what any of us gain by writing off a player even before he's played a few games following a loan spell. Crama's transformation under MT shows the folly of doing that. instead of "we" and speaking for everyone else why dont you make your own judgement. I'm not writing him off, I just dont think he's good enough and would love to be proved wrong. Lets not forget he has already played 30 games at this level, different circumstance I agree. I'm crossing all my fingers and toes. Never want anyone to fail at Gas trouble is with the "dont think he's good enough" judgement, it allows no time for a youngster to develop and grow into his potential. Rovers fans seem more impatient than most about young players (See Kilgour, Hoole, Quansah etc etc) we love to get on their backs rather than allow them a bit of space to grow. I wont judge whether he'll make it or not, what is the point! Its not a brexit referendum. He has potential, he's not yet first 11 at league 1 level, lets see and support him in the meantime. I dont need to bump a thread in a year with "told you so". |
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 4, 2024 13:11:09 GMT
Not at all triggered just trying to understand 1) someone makes a comment you dont like 2) you argue 3) you dont make your own judgement its the safest way to be, never saying anything wrong. this is a football forum I really dont think you'll be taken to court over anything you say on here, even if it does turn out to be incorrect Something has certainly got you rattled.. but I am still not particularly clear on what that is? It seems you're upset because you have made a comment that you don't think I like and that I argued with you about it? Well if that is correct then that seems like a perfectly normal exchange for a football forum. Then you go on to complain that I won't "make my own judgement". Presumably this is specifically related to you challenging me for a YES or NO response to your question of "will Connolly be a success at Rovers?" and me answering the question with a few sentences explaining my thoughts on it, but I can hardly make a "judgement" on something that hasn't happened yet. However I thought I was clear enough in that response as to what my hopes and expectations were. |
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Post by richie on Jan 4, 2024 13:27:33 GMT
Not at all triggered just trying to understand 1) someone makes a comment you dont like 2) you argue 3) you dont make your own judgement its the safest way to be, never saying anything wrong. this is a football forum I really dont think you'll be taken to court over anything you say on here, even if it does turn out to be incorrect Something has certainly got you rattled.. but I am still not particularly clear on what that is? It seems you're upset because you have made a comment that you don't think I like and that I argued with you about it? Well if that is correct then that seems like a perfectly normal exchange for a football forum. Then you go on to complain that I won't "make my own judgement". Presumably this is specifically related to you challenging me for a YES or NO response to your question of "will Connolly be a success at Rovers?" and me answering the question with a few sentences explaining my thoughts on it, but I can hardly make a "judgement" on something that hasn't happened yet. However I thought I was clear enough in that response as to what my hopes and expectations were. forget it fella, im not interested now it shouldnt be this much hard work to get someone to make a prediction using all the points they made to argue in the first place. I love this forum but it can be too much hard work sometimes. |
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Post by drawnandquartered on Jan 4, 2024 15:30:12 GMT
I think he is going to be fantastic and with Taylor and hoole as well we could have a defensive partnership for the ages!
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Post by SleepyGas on Jan 4, 2024 15:53:39 GMT
I think he is going to be fantastic and with Taylor and hoole as well we could have a defensive partnership for the ages! I really hope so  |
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Post by popuppirate on Jan 4, 2024 16:30:37 GMT
I think he is going to be fantastic and with Taylor and hoole as well we could have a defensive partnership for the ages! Agreed. He was my MotM plenty of times at League 2 level for us, chipped in with a couple of goals and has huge potential. He probably found the sideways passing at the back stressful (as did many of us) but hopefully will flourish under a central defender as a manager. The next Tom Lockyer is my prediction |
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