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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 6, 2024 23:39:32 GMT
2023/24 - 39 Yellow, 2 Red (so far)
2022/23 - 57 Yellow, 2 Red
2019/20 - 60 Yellow, 2 Red
2018/19 - 66 Yellow, 1 Red
2017/18 - 50 Yellow, 4 Red
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 23:42:05 GMT
Some stats, the season we got promotion (21/22) under Barton…league only
95 yellow cards
9 red cards
Exeter City under Matt Taylor
57 yellow cards
3 red cards
We both got promotion, tomorrow I will do DC div2 promotion side
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 23:44:16 GMT
2023/24 - 39 Yellow, 2 Red (so far) 2022/23 - 57 Yellow, 2 Red 2019/20 - 60 Yellow, 2 Red 2018/19 - 66 Yellow, 1 Red 2017/18 - 50 Yellow, 4 Red Is this the DC Div2 promotion year? Looking at this, DC and Taylor hold the same kind of discipline etc? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 23:47:28 GMT
2023/24 - 39 Yellow, 2 Red (so far) 2022/23 - 57 Yellow, 2 Red 2019/20 - 60 Yellow, 2 Red 2018/19 - 66 Yellow, 1 Red 2017/18 - 50 Yellow, 4 Red Am I wrong here and excuse me if I am, this states 85 yellow and 5 red for 22/23 season? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022–23_Bristol_Rovers_F.C._season*Loft got 7 yellows cards this season?! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 6, 2024 23:48:31 GMT
2023/24 - 39 Yellow, 2 Red (so far) 2022/23 - 57 Yellow, 2 Red 2019/20 - 60 Yellow, 2 Red 2018/19 - 66 Yellow, 1 Red 2017/18 - 50 Yellow, 4 Red Is this the DC Div2 promotion year? Looking at this, DC and Taylor hold the same kind of discipline etc? 2015/16? The ESPN link isn't complete so no details for some reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 23:51:50 GMT
Some stats, the season we got promotion (21/22) under Barton…league only 95 yellow cards 9 red cards Exeter City under Matt Taylor 57 yellow cards 3 red cards We both got promotion, tomorrow I will do DC div2 promotion side And this isn’t Barton bashing, like Frank Sinatra, he did it his way! And this season, I admired how we were in the real s**t and battled so hard to get back up the league, maybe we needed the aggression to do this. But these stats show the different approaches of each manager. Jose I’m sure has a much worse record than Pepe and Klopp. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 7, 2024 0:00:56 GMT
To be fair I don't think we were "that bad" before. We were usually more fouled than fouling under JB... But- it was clear in the first match that MT wanted the players to focus less on the ref, and focus on themselves. Caught him several times against Cheltenham encouraging both staff and players to move away from the ref think about the next bit... until around the 75th minute when he lost it. Certainly where some of the small gains have come. Yes, agree. I don’t know all the stats but we always seemed to be more fouled by the oppo whoever it was. Yet we definitely got more red and yellows. And that immediately gave us a disadvantage and Finley was always a red card going to happen. Things have certainly turned around. The manager seems to have a very down to earth and real approach to all things, it’s up to us to deal with stuff. No blaming refs, no blaming individuals, at least in public. ( I’m sure he does his boll***** in the dressing room or training pitch, as it should be.) Refs are only human and they must have disliked knowing they would be pilloried after the match if we lost. UTG! |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 7, 2024 0:10:48 GMT
From what I can see, Rovers disciplinary record was worse under DC, GC, Garner etc.
Ollie Clarke seemed to pick up more cards than Sam Finley.
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 7, 2024 1:48:59 GMT
Today I noticed that Crama very nearly brought down Onel Hernandez for a penalty but thought better of it - only for Barnes to score. Should he have brought Hernandez down, taken a booking and given away the penalty?
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 7, 2024 5:16:38 GMT
I think this is valid. We did seem to get targeted by refs.
I think we can discuss the merits etc of JB football, just don’t then get into “and you lot are VILE for supporting a “insert term” and that makes you all “insert terms””
We did seem to have refs hate us under Joey. We can’t really discuss Rovers without it, just don’t then be rude to others about it and vice versa
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 7, 2024 6:52:02 GMT
Leaving JB out of it should the question be' does the public profile of a manager /player influence or affect the decision making of an official,? IMHO i think it likely, just as in a court of law a juror would probably be influenced if they knew of a defendants past misdemeanours, it is a very interesting debate ,i mean, it is not possible to 'blank' out something which is implanted in your mind is it? Goodness it's an interesting debate E.G would a bad tackle by say the late great 'Bobby Charlton'( if there was ever such a thing!) be punished in the same way as one by say 'Roy Keane'? and so on................!
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Post by bidefordgas on Jan 7, 2024 8:25:36 GMT
Nobody has mentioned the fine we received for the brawl on Boxing Day against Portsmouth. Is that not bad discipline or is it only red and yellow cards?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 7, 2024 8:36:48 GMT
I know for a fact that Joey is not popular within the refereeing circuit, albeit not exactly surprising.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 7, 2024 8:53:48 GMT
I know for a fact that Joey is not popular within the refereeing circuit, albeit not exactly surprising. Wael knew that when he employed him and it didn't stop us getting promoted? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 7, 2024 9:04:40 GMT
Nobody has mentioned the fine we received for the brawl on Boxing Day against Portsmouth. Is that not bad discipline or is it only red and yellow cards? That doesn't fit the OP's agenda? According to Radio Bristol yesterday's first goal was down to the ref ignoring a foul on Crama and Volks should have got a red at Wycombe, so clearly not all refs are favouring MT in their decisions making. Without doing some in-depth analysis I've no idea what the card count is pre & post JB. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 9:10:16 GMT
It will be interesting if we see a change in Collins approach to being fouled, or let’s say not fouled. I’ve always said the refs all talk, like Taylor meeting McAllister, some of the refs will met on courses etc…….We would be stupid if to think a ref didn’t do some research before a game or drop a text to a fellow colleague like, “any pointers you can give me on Bristol Rovers and Barnsley?”
I’m convinced Collins has missed out on genuine penalties because of his reputation for diving. I would say out of 10 penalty appeals, he will have dived 8 of them!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 9:11:37 GMT
Nobody has mentioned the fine we received for the brawl on Boxing Day against Portsmouth. Is that not bad discipline or is it only red and yellow cards? I totally forgot about this, point well raised. |
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Post by supergas on Jan 7, 2024 9:23:04 GMT
I just crunched the numbers quickly, they're not a good indicator as the sample sizes are so small but for league games so far this season:
Under Barton: 2.62 yellow cards/game
Under Mangan: 1.60 yellow cards/game
Under Taylor: 1.67 yellow cards/game
That does seem to back up what most people would probably guess - for whatever reason we averaged one more yellow card every league game so far under Barton vs Mangan/Taylor...
...what's even more interesting (with the small sample size caveat still in place) - opposition yellow cards per game:
Under Barton: 2.62 yellow cards/game (exactly the same as Rovers players in those games)
Under Mangan: 2.20 yellow cards/game (0.6 more yellow cards than Rovers players in those games)
Under Taylor: 4.00 yellow cards/game (2.33 more yellow cards than Rovers players in those games)
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Post by bluegas on Jan 7, 2024 9:24:43 GMT
I know for a fact that Joey is not popular within the refereeing circuit, albeit not exactly surprising. Might one enquire how you know that? As a fact? Are you saying that referees have admitted being biased against BRFC (or any other club) because of their manager? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 7, 2024 9:27:50 GMT
I know for a fact that Joey is not popular within the refereeing circuit, albeit not exactly surprising. Might one enquire how you know that? As a fact? Are you saying that referees have admitted being biased against BRFC (or any other club) because of their manager? No, I said I know he's not popular within the refereeing circuit. Whether that leads to being biased or not I don't know. As for how I know that I don't wish to divulge as not really fair on that person. |
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