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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 10, 2023 9:43:16 GMT
JB now going down the racist route "go back to where you came from to somebody born in England"!! What the hell is he hoping to achieve? I can't wait to see how this is defended.
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Post by DrFaustus on Dec 10, 2023 9:49:23 GMT
JB now going down the racist route "go back to where you came from to somebody born in England"!! What the hell is he hoping to achieve? I can't wait to see how this is defended. The link doesn't work but if it's what you say Hugo (and no reason whatsoever to doubt that), then it is indefensible. Some of the football we played under him was the best since David Williams, in my view. However, especially since being sacked, he's seemingly lost all semblance of any marbles that rattled around up top.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 9:53:46 GMT
I can't wait to see how this is defended. The link doesn't work but if it's what you say Hugo (and no reason whatsoever to doubt that), then it is indefensible. Some of the football we played under him was the best since David Williams, in my view. However, especially since being sacked, he's seemingly lost all semblance of any marbles that rattled around up top. The truth is he never had them, this is who he has always but some peoples blind love for the club and desperation for results meant they completely closed it out of their mind and ignored it. Now, I’m not criticising people for that BUT it’s is an indicator of why Rovers are what they’ve always been, the fan base is very placid and happy to accept rubbish. I’d hope we are never put in a position like this again but if we are we shouldn’t be so accepting of what’s happening when it’s staring us all In the face what the end game was going to be.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 10, 2023 9:54:57 GMT
GoA I don't agree with discriminating on the basis of anything but the suitability of the person for the role. I am sure it does happen, but in any real volume? I don't think so, but perhaps you could point me to where that does happen to a significant extent. On me being a narcissist because I seek to discredit the character of the poster. That is not possible is it, we are all, in the main, anonymous. I don't know you. Do I attack assertions as posted that I disagree with? Yep, but I do try and back up my view with some credible evidence. So, just saying that some members of our society are "over represented" without any evidence to back that up does not make it true, does it? I do recall you stated that women could not perform or work in dangerous jobs. When I pointed out that women make up a significant proportion of our armed forces you disappeared. Barton is of similar character. He says things he thinks are true (I presume) but cannot provide any basis in fact for his views. If he shut up and said, for eg, "In my experience...." That would have some credibility. But he doesn't, he goes beyond and states things on topics on which he knows nothing. By so doing he exposes his own prejudices, his disturbing justification or acceptance of violence and his apparent deep rooted misogyny. The more he speaks the worse it gets. I am one of those that opposed his appointment, but I did actually hope he would prove me wrong. He has not, the opposite, he is worse than I imagined. It happens. Currently as we have black rock/Vanguard imposing political values un democratically on any listed institution, several companies have targets for female management % by specific dates. You are assessed on gender balance in workforces and boardrooms. This means when a role comes up, this is a factor is if they don’t hire more women at certain levels they will lose capital inflows. www.pionline.com/esg/blackrock-focus-board-diversity-climate-risk-plans-2022“ In the U.K., BlackRock will push companies to have at least 33% female directors and at least one director of color.” So yes, it’s objectively a hiring criteria as the most wealthy investor on planet earth is basically saying if you have too much penis or pale faces in senior roles you have to hire fewer. I let’s say the next 3 roles just happen to have the best candidates who didn’t happen to be in these groups and they legitimately hired them on a fair assessment, they would face financial penalties. The counter to this is the idea businesses have the candidates but they are run by racists and sexists who deliberately sabotage the careers of others at the expense of their margin. Which I think it preposterous. The main determinate of privilege in this country is your economic background and that’s where you get the links and contacts to get high up - and the skills to do those roles. This tends to lend itself to those firmly established in a region with long family histories of money and connections. Go to China and you’ll find the same. It’s Chinese families with sons and daughters who have mixed with the elite who get the roles. Those ESG criteria will not be levied on the Chinese to ensure they have Europeans or Indians in their boardrooms, because it’s pretty obvious why there’s not many people from Stoke running Chinese companies. I'm only quoting you as you are the latest post but its an interesting debate. The gender in management question I think I can understand. Roughly 50% of people are women so if all things are fair and equal then should not top management jobs be roughly around that too? If not, how do we redress that? I accept that there are some jobs more suited to certain genders (there are always exceptions). I can also accept your point that "positive discrimination" isn't always positive and that there may be, in some cases, over representation in the name of diversity. In an ideal world a meritocracy would be better but there has been a white male patriarchy that the pendulum needs to swing a bit too far the other way to compensate? I'm not a fan of discrimination but is it necessary? I don't know the answer, and I'm not suggesting it is necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 9:56:21 GMT
JB now going down the racist route "go back to where you came from to somebody born in England"!! What the hell is he hoping to achieve? I can't wait to see how this is defended. The thing is, his supporters are now like the Hitler p**s take video in the bunker when he’s going mad at everyone and let’s not forget our previous manager mentioned the holocaust and despises Israel (see his Twitter) and before someone grabs onto this, I’m not saying his 4 remaining supporters are Nazi’s either! But what remains are the ones who for 18 months were hammered for questioning him and the likes of me and Gasdust, RD and others feel really vilified to get right on it now. I’m told I’m obsessed, here I am giggling, Gasdust drops me a text to say, Betty is about to blow up again, it’s brilliant, he was on the committee of the Barton Supporters group. Many of his supporters just keep quiet now but not many admit and openly come on here and say the backed a vile low life scum bag. My head is held high, for 3 years I never once sang the man’s name who made a women press the number 9 button three times. And I will keep posting as long as the 🐊 keep posting back. As for Topper, it tongue in cheek he made Piley commit fraud, your has shouting your porridge is getting cold, leave you bedroom pal!
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Post by perryfenwick on Dec 10, 2023 10:04:13 GMT
I can't wait to see how this is defended. The thing is, his supporters are now like the Hitler p**s take video in the bunker when he’s going mad at everyone and let’s not forget our previous manager mentioned the holocaust and despises Israel (see his Twitter) and before someone grabs onto this, I’m not saying his 4 remaining supporters are Nazi’s either! But what remains are the ones who for 18 months were hammered for questioning him and the likes of me and Gasdust, RD and others feel really vilified to get right on it now. I’m told I’m obsessed, here I am giggling, Gasdust drops me a text to say, Betty is about to blow up again, it’s brilliant, he was on the committee of the Barton Supporters group. Many of his supporters just keep quiet now but not many admit and openly come on here and say the backed a vile low life scum bag. My head is held high, for 3 years I never once sang the man’s name who made a women press the number 9 button three times. And I will keep posting as long as the 🐊 keep posting back. As for Topper, it tongue in cheek he made Piley commit fraud, your has shouting your porridge is getting cold, leave you bedroom pal! Quality post. Barton was always capable of saying or doing anything for attention, but he was spending a £3m wage bill crushing the might of Rochdale and Southend so the people got behind him. And then stayed behind him after - lets face it - he at the very least left his wife cowering in fear. About a 50/50 split between "ah I'm just backing the lads, what do you expect me to do" and "ha ha, f**k you snowflakes, Barton is brilliant" in the fanbase. All of whom now pretending they never really liked the guy.
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 10, 2023 10:04:42 GMT
Mods please move this to general chat, it’s long gone past Rovers related content. Not afraid to admit I supported JB as our manager, he’s now history as far as I am concerned and Gaschat is rapidly heading that way with this continual Barton and Barton supporters bashing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 10:05:56 GMT
Mods please move this to general chat, it’s long gone past Rovers related content. Not afraid to admit I supported JB as our manager, he’s now history as far as I am concerned and Gaschat is rapidly heading that way with this continual Barton and Barton supporters bashing. It’s still relevant to rovers whilst our name is constantly attached to it. Look I don’t want to come across rude but nobody is forced to open this thread? Just ignore it?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 10, 2023 10:07:49 GMT
Mods please move this to general chat, it’s long gone past Rovers related content. Not afraid to admit I supported JB as our manager, he’s now history as far as I am concerned and Gaschat is rapidly heading that way with this continual Barton and Barton supporters bashing. Please don't soil General Chat, this needs its own folder.
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 10, 2023 10:08:21 GMT
It happens. Currently as we have black rock/Vanguard imposing political values un democratically on any listed institution, several companies have targets for female management % by specific dates. You are assessed on gender balance in workforces and boardrooms. This means when a role comes up, this is a factor is if they don’t hire more women at certain levels they will lose capital inflows. www.pionline.com/esg/blackrock-focus-board-diversity-climate-risk-plans-2022“ In the U.K., BlackRock will push companies to have at least 33% female directors and at least one director of color.” So yes, it’s objectively a hiring criteria as the most wealthy investor on planet earth is basically saying if you have too much penis or pale faces in senior roles you have to hire fewer. I let’s say the next 3 roles just happen to have the best candidates who didn’t happen to be in these groups and they legitimately hired them on a fair assessment, they would face financial penalties. The counter to this is the idea businesses have the candidates but they are run by racists and sexists who deliberately sabotage the careers of others at the expense of their margin. Which I think it preposterous. The main determinate of privilege in this country is your economic background and that’s where you get the links and contacts to get high up - and the skills to do those roles. This tends to lend itself to those firmly established in a region with long family histories of money and connections. Go to China and you’ll find the same. It’s Chinese families with sons and daughters who have mixed with the elite who get the roles. Those ESG criteria will not be levied on the Chinese to ensure they have Europeans or Indians in their boardrooms, because it’s pretty obvious why there’s not many people from Stoke running Chinese companies. I'm only quoting you as you are the latest post but its an interesting debate. The gender in management question I think I can understand. Roughly 50% of people are women so if all things are fair and equal then should not top management jobs be roughly around that too? If not, how do we redress that? I accept that there are some jobs more suited to certain genders (there are always exceptions). I can also accept your point that "positive discrimination" isn't always positive and that there may be, in some cases, over representation in the name of diversity. In an ideal world a meritocracy would be better but there has been a white male patriarchy that the pendulum needs to swing a bit too far the other way to compensate? I'm not a fan of discrimination but is it necessary? I don't know the answer, and I'm not suggesting it is necessary. Does the fact that women give birth have anything to do with this? My wife has taken about 3 years out of work due to pregnancy, which might be disruptive to a business. It also meant that male colleagues advanced during those times and were less likely to need time off for future family planning. On a wider note, the best candidates should get the jobs. Box ticking for the sake of diversity is dangerous and can cause unrest in a workforce. Look at the fire brigade and police for easy examples. As for female commentators..dont really care as ill mute it if its a man or woman that we aren't enjoying listening to. There is an obvious push towards diversity on the TV though with adverts, soaps and football going beyond the %s of diversity in the UK for some reason. Its not unnoticed.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 10, 2023 10:15:46 GMT
I'm only quoting you as you are the latest post but its an interesting debate. The gender in management question I think I can understand. Roughly 50% of people are women so if all things are fair and equal then should not top management jobs be roughly around that too? If not, how do we redress that? I accept that there are some jobs more suited to certain genders (there are always exceptions). I can also accept your point that "positive discrimination" isn't always positive and that there may be, in some cases, over representation in the name of diversity. In an ideal world a meritocracy would be better but there has been a white male patriarchy that the pendulum needs to swing a bit too far the other way to compensate? I'm not a fan of discrimination but is it necessary? I don't know the answer, and I'm not suggesting it is necessary. Does the fact that women give birth have anything to do with this? My wife has taken about 3 years out of work due to pregnancy, which might be disruptive to a business. It also meant that male colleagues advanced during those times and were less likely to need time off for future family planning. On a wider note, the best candidates should get the jobs. Box ticking for the sake of diversity is dangerous and can cause unrest in a workforce. Look at the fire brigade and police for easy examples. As for female commentators..dont really care as ill mute it if its a man or woman that we aren't enjoying listening to. There is an obvious push towards diversity on the TV though with adverts, soaps and football going beyond the %s of diversity in the UK for some reason. Its not unnoticed. Yeah, TV is definitely not representing real life at all. I watched a South Park episode recently taking the rise out of Disney. The Disney execs answer to making new movies was "put a chick in it and make her gay" Are we still allowed to laugh at South Park?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 10, 2023 10:17:53 GMT
I can't wait to see how this is defended. The thing is, his supporters are now like the Hitler p**s take video in the bunker when he’s going mad at everyone and let’s not forget our previous manager mentioned the holocaust and despises Israel (see his Twitter) and before someone grabs onto this, I’m not saying his 4 remaining supporters are Nazi’s either! But what remains are the ones who for 18 months were hammered for questioning him and the likes of me and Gasdust, RD and others feel really vilified to get right on it now. I’m told I’m obsessed, here I am giggling, Gasdust drops me a text to say, Betty is about to blow up again, it’s brilliant, he was on the committee of the Barton Supporters group. Many of his supporters just keep quiet now but not many admit and openly come on here and say the backed a vile low life scum bag. My head is held high, for 3 years I never once sang the man’s name who made a women press the number 9 button three times. And I will keep posting as long as the 🐊 keep posting back. As for Topper, it tongue in cheek he made Piley commit fraud, your has shouting your porridge is getting cold, leave you bedroom pal! Why the need for the personal dig just to try and hide the fact you got your facts wrong about JB & Pilley. As far as calling out posters out what's the point, as far as Betty B they were never big supporters of JB, they are just WUM's and it looks like you've fallen big time for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 10:19:08 GMT
Mods please move this to general chat, it’s long gone past Rovers related content. Not afraid to admit I supported JB as our manager, he’s now history as far as I am concerned and Gaschat is rapidly heading that way with this continual Barton and Barton supporters bashing. Why, don’t OPEN the thread?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 10, 2023 10:21:17 GMT
Mods please move this to general chat, it’s long gone past Rovers related content. Not afraid to admit I supported JB as our manager, he’s now history as far as I am concerned and Gaschat is rapidly heading that way with this continual Barton and Barton supporters bashing. Surely a former recent manager is Rovers related, particularly one who's gone from sexism to racism tweets overnight on X? You have to sense at some point the club are now going to have to make some kind of statement to distance themselves from JB.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 10:21:19 GMT
The thing is, his supporters are now like the Hitler p**s take video in the bunker when he’s going mad at everyone and let’s not forget our previous manager mentioned the holocaust and despises Israel (see his Twitter) and before someone grabs onto this, I’m not saying his 4 remaining supporters are Nazi’s either! But what remains are the ones who for 18 months were hammered for questioning him and the likes of me and Gasdust, RD and others feel really vilified to get right on it now. I’m told I’m obsessed, here I am giggling, Gasdust drops me a text to say, Betty is about to blow up again, it’s brilliant, he was on the committee of the Barton Supporters group. Many of his supporters just keep quiet now but not many admit and openly come on here and say the backed a vile low life scum bag. My head is held high, for 3 years I never once sang the man’s name who made a women press the number 9 button three times. And I will keep posting as long as the 🐊 keep posting back. As for Topper, it tongue in cheek he made Piley commit fraud, your has shouting your porridge is getting cold, leave you bedroom pal! Why the need for the personal dig just to try and hide the fact you got your facts wrong about JB & Pilley. As far as calling out posters out what's the point, as far as Betty B they were never big supporters of JB, they are just WUM's and it looks like you've fallen big time for them. Don’t make me go through your posts and the multiple ones about you digging at me re Lee Johnson, give it out Topper, take it back
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Post by perryfenwick on Dec 10, 2023 10:31:21 GMT
Mods please move this to general chat, it’s long gone past Rovers related content. Not afraid to admit I supported JB as our manager, he’s now history as far as I am concerned and Gaschat is rapidly heading that way with this continual Barton and Barton supporters bashing. Surely a former recent manager is Rovers related, particularly one who's gone from sexism to racism tweets overnight on X? You have to sense at some point the club are now going to have to make some kind of statement to distance themselves from JB. Exactly. They don't even need to mention him - just do something to show that they're for women in football - e.g. have the women play at the Mem again, and repair their relationship with HGT - who they seem to have sacrificed in order to keep appeasing that man.
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 10, 2023 10:34:36 GMT
Mods please move this to general chat, it’s long gone past Rovers related content. Not afraid to admit I supported JB as our manager, he’s now history as far as I am concerned and Gaschat is rapidly heading that way with this continual Barton and Barton supporters bashing. Surely a former recent manager is Rovers related, particularly one who's gone from sexism to racism tweets overnight on X? You have to sense at some point the club are now going to have to make some kind of statement to distance themselves from JB. Have any of his other clubs done this?
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 10, 2023 10:35:19 GMT
I have read the replies to my post and will now not open it and let the usual suspects carry on keep arguing with each other till the day they die. Get a life!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 10:39:23 GMT
I have read the replies to my post and will now not open it and let the usual suspects carry on keep arguing with each other till the day they die. Get a life! Thanks, Biddeford. Enjoy your weekend 🙌🏻
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Dec 10, 2023 10:46:43 GMT
I have read the replies to my post and will now not open it and let the usual suspects carry on keep arguing with each other till the day they die. Get a life! I feel the same 👏 👍💙Utg
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