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Post by trevorgas on Jan 28, 2024 20:44:58 GMT
Being local I can safely say it's locals not tourists. Thanks, Trev. Fairly obvious to me that the whole town is engaged with it and I can’t imagine there’s much else going on in the town? It's a typical ex mining town,high rate of poverty etc the football club have given the town a real boost,they also draw from the surrounding countryside and smaller towns like Mold and Ruthin |
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 28, 2024 21:02:48 GMT
Thanks, Trev. Fairly obvious to me that the whole town is engaged with it and I can’t imagine there’s much else going on in the town? It's a typical ex mining town,high rate of poverty etc the football club have given the town a real boost,they also draw from the surrounding countryside and smaller towns like Mold and Ruthin Good knowledge on the situation. Thanks for this! |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 21:47:06 GMT
I reckon there's thousands.
Just have a look at the vast increase of tourism there is from American visitors and other tourists to Wrexham every other Saturday.
They have loads and loads of season ticket holders, in fact they sold out after a renewal rate of 99.25%. Does that mean that tourists are buying them? www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/news/2023/june/ticket-news--match-day-pricing-for-202324-season-confirmed/I think you’ve misjudged the situation. They do have some tourist fans because of the Reynolds stuff but nowhere near the number you’re talking. Their historical average attendances show the appetite has been there previously and now they’ve got some success it’s not a surprise it’s back. Call them tourists, day trippers, johnny come lately's, call them what you will are buying them yes, so 7k fans just miraculously come out the woodwork? They also have an International Fans ticket scheme, which stops UK members from buying tickets, they have countless supporters clubs now too in the US where American Citizens are Season Ticket holders.
Add to that the massive increase in visitors to Wrexham on weekends? Hotels, restaurants and all sorts of hospitality are selling out just by coincidence are they?
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Post by BrightonGas on Jan 28, 2024 22:24:43 GMT
Will Collins be in the crowd at Blackburn tommorrow? Training with the club who pays his wages? Or sat at home nursing his bruised ego? A b or c. An option for a d obviously Driving up to Bolton for a medical Fee undisclosed (£750,000) Meanwhile, gas look to sign Smith from Reading Wrexham to sign Marriot for £300,000 UTG Why have you put this on the Wrexham thread?! |
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Post by socrates on Jan 28, 2024 23:59:52 GMT
Completely different, one off game. Wrexham have never had an average as big as this in their entire history. Ryan Reynolds has made it all about him, his face is always in front of a camera, talking about little old Wrexham all over American TV, the Disney TV Show, bringing other A list Celebrities along and he's getting Wrexham plenty of exposure. The extra 7k has come from American Tourists etc intrigued to see the little Welsh town they'd never heard of that Ryan Reynolds is trying to flog to the Americans. Season League Avg Att 1. 1977-78 Division Three 12,272 2. 1947-48 Division Three (North) 11,168 3. 1961-62 Division Four 10,861 4. 1956-57 Division Three (North) 10,731 5. 1978-79 Division Two 10,711 6. 1962-63 Division Three 10,696 7. 1952-53 Division Three (North) 10,009 8. 2023-24 League Two 9,907 9. 1948-49 Division Three (North) 9,751 10. 2022-23 National League 9,625 11. 1958-59 Division Three 9,524 12. 1953-54 Division Three (North) 9,514 13. 1979-80 Division Two 9,455 14. 1969-70 Division Four 9,245 15. 1959-60 Division Three 9,143 16. 1950-51 Division Three (North) 8,808 17. 1946-47 Division Three (North) 8,732 18. 1976-77 Division Three 8,731 19. 1957-58 Division Three (North) 8,463 20. 1966-67 Division Four 8,414 21. 1951-52 Division Three (North) 8,370 22. 1970-71 Division Three 8,289 23. 1949-50 Division Three (North) 8,256 24. 2021-22 National League 7,962 25. 1955-56 Division Three (North) 7,588 26. 1954-55 Division Three (North) 7,369 27. 1932-33 Division Three (North) 7,081 28. 1963-64 Division Three 7,064 29. 1944-45 Football Regional League (North Division) 7,003 Yeah I thought that when I read it , always been well supported for a smallish lower league club. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 29, 2024 0:00:46 GMT
Season League Avg Att 1. 1977-78 Division Three 12,272 2. 1947-48 Division Three (North) 11,168 3. 1961-62 Division Four 10,861 4. 1956-57 Division Three (North) 10,731 5. 1978-79 Division Two 10,711 6. 1962-63 Division Three 10,696 7. 1952-53 Division Three (North) 10,009 8. 2023-24 League Two 9,907 9. 1948-49 Division Three (North) 9,751 10. 2022-23 National League 9,625 11. 1958-59 Division Three 9,524 12. 1953-54 Division Three (North) 9,514 13. 1979-80 Division Two 9,455 14. 1969-70 Division Four 9,245 15. 1959-60 Division Three 9,143 16. 1950-51 Division Three (North) 8,808 17. 1946-47 Division Three (North) 8,732 18. 1976-77 Division Three 8,731 19. 1957-58 Division Three (North) 8,463 20. 1966-67 Division Four 8,414 21. 1951-52 Division Three (North) 8,370 22. 1970-71 Division Three 8,289 23. 1949-50 Division Three (North) 8,256 24. 2021-22 National League 7,962 25. 1955-56 Division Three (North) 7,588 26. 1954-55 Division Three (North) 7,369 27. 1932-33 Division Three (North) 7,081 28. 1963-64 Division Three 7,064 29. 1944-45 Football Regional League (North Division) 7,003 Yeah I thought that when I read it , always been well supported for a smallish lower league club. Can’t be true mate. Planes with 7000 yanks on are heading over every week. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 29, 2024 2:09:41 GMT
Yeah I thought that when I read it , always been well supported for a smallish lower league club. Can’t be true mate. Planes with 7000 yanks on are heading over every week. It isn't true.
They haven't averaged more than 5k for over 40 years even when they had decent teams in the 2nd and 3rd tiers.
A couple of years before the actors turned up they were averaging barely 3k.
They've more than trippled their crowds miraculously in a couple of years, crowds they've only achieved a couple of times in the last 60 years.
Of course those extra 7k people now turning up have clearly always been avid Wrexham supporters.
It's just a huge coincidence that crowds have more than trippled all of sudden now a 4th Division club starts allocating tickets specially for 'International Fans', multiple Supporters Clubs have just suddenly appeared all over America, it also must just be a coincidence that since the actors bought the club visitors from both Uk and overseas(Mostly Americans) coming to Wrexham has increased by 33% to 1.9M visitors and a further 430,000 people are staying over in hotels etc from Thurs-Sun up a massive 98%, this huge increase in tourist numbers at weekends somehow happening after 2 Hollywood actors rock up and 7k more fans just suddenly turn up at Wrexham home games is again just purely coincidence.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Jan 29, 2024 6:34:27 GMT
It's probably a bit of both with Wrexham. They were traditionally a Football League club and also the biggest club in North Wales, so had quite a big local fan base but a lot weren't attending regularly because the team had been stuck in the National League for years and going nowhere. Get the team promoted and challenging in League 2 and add in the media interest here and in America and you've got yourself sell out crowds
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 29, 2024 7:00:22 GMT
It's probably a bit of both with Wrexham. They were traditionally a Football League club and also the biggest club in North Wales, so had quite a big local fan base but a lot weren't attending regularly because the team had been stuck in the National League for years and going nowhere. Get the team promoted and challenging in League 2 and add in the media interest here and in America and you've got yourself sell out crowds of course it’s a bit of both but it’s a waste of time trying to convince someone otherwise |
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 29, 2024 7:29:33 GMT
Driving up to Bolton for a medical Fee undisclosed (£750,000) Meanwhile, gas look to sign Smith from Reading Wrexham to sign Marriot for £300,000 UTG Why have you put this on the Wrexham thread?! ?? I haven’t? Merely my useless attempt at predicting what might happen. UTG |
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 29, 2024 7:43:58 GMT
Sorry to distract from all the Wrexham attendances/fanbase chat in the *checks notes...* Aaron Collins thread but Bolton boss Evatt reiterating (no direct quotes) they won't be held to ransom, according to their local rag this morning: www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24079952.bolton-wanderers-wont-pay-odds-bristol-rovers-star/WANDERERS will pursue striker target Aaron Collins before Thursday’s transfer deadline – but have warned Bristol Rovers that they will not be held to ransom.It is understood that the club has had one bid of £600,000 turned down and that an improved offer is expected to be made in the next few days.Ian Evatt rates the 26-year-old Welshman, who asked not to be included in the Rovers squad to face Oxford United on Saturday. But Bolton have set a very firm valuation and are willing to walk away from the deal if negotiations do not pick up.I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it again - they bid £600k, we want £1m, we'll probably meet in the middle at something like £750k plus a sell-on %. |
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Post by percy on Jan 29, 2024 8:09:53 GMT
Sorry to distract from all the Wrexham attendances/fanbase chat in the *checks notes...* Aaron Collins thread but Bolton boss Evatt reiterating (no direct quotes) they won't be held to ransom, according to their local rag this morning: www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24079952.bolton-wanderers-wont-pay-odds-bristol-rovers-star/WANDERERS will pursue striker target Aaron Collins before Thursday’s transfer deadline – but have warned Bristol Rovers that they will not be held to ransom.It is understood that the club has had one bid of £600,000 turned down and that an improved offer is expected to be made in the next few days.Ian Evatt rates the 26-year-old Welshman, who asked not to be included in the Rovers squad to face Oxford United on Saturday. But Bolton have set a very firm valuation and are willing to walk away from the deal if negotiations do not pick up.I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it again - they bid £600k, we want £1m, we'll probably meet in the middle at something like £750k plus a sell-on %. Hope we get it done quick now, anything like 750K+ will feel a decent deal, with a good chunk up front and a sell on. Then get a replacement in (Smith please) plus 2 loans in to compete. |
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Post by madgas on Jan 29, 2024 8:11:57 GMT
Let them walk away. £600k isn't enough.
Most Grimsby fans want 500k for conteh, on the basis there's no release clause.
This is league ones player of the year. 27 at the end of the season. Meaning a short Stay would see him sold at 28. For the sell on clause to be worthwhile:
- bolton would need a promotion, and;
- Collins would need to achieve mad numbers
Too many variables. £750k to pick up the phone. But should be higher. If £750k allows us to be active this window with targets that would benefit us long term- accept. If not sell him for that value in the summer.
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Post by okebournegas83 on Jan 29, 2024 8:22:58 GMT
Sorry to distract from all the Wrexham attendances/fanbase chat in the *checks notes...* Aaron Collins thread but Bolton boss Evatt reiterating (no direct quotes) they won't be held to ransom, according to their local rag this morning: www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24079952.bolton-wanderers-wont-pay-odds-bristol-rovers-star/WANDERERS will pursue striker target Aaron Collins before Thursday’s transfer deadline – but have warned Bristol Rovers that they will not be held to ransom.It is understood that the club has had one bid of £600,000 turned down and that an improved offer is expected to be made in the next few days.Ian Evatt rates the 26-year-old Welshman, who asked not to be included in the Rovers squad to face Oxford United on Saturday. But Bolton have set a very firm valuation and are willing to walk away from the deal if negotiations do not pick up.I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it again - they bid £600k, we want £1m, we'll probably meet in the middle at something like £750k plus a sell-on %. Fairly simple scenario here , pay the asking price or walk away. The players under contract , we’ve set our valuation , if you don’t like it then you don’t sign him. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 29, 2024 8:47:11 GMT
Let them walk away. £600k isn't enough. Most Grimsby fans want 500k for conteh, on the basis there's no release clause. This is league ones player of the year. 27 at the end of the season. Meaning a short Stay would see him sold at 28. For the sell on clause to be worthwhile: - bolton would need a promotion, and; - Collins would need to achieve mad numbers Too many variables. £750k to pick up the phone. But should be higher. If £750k allows us to be active this window with targets that would benefit us long term- accept. If not sell him for that value in the summer. His value is only going one way from here. He’s made it clear he doesn’t want to be here and another 4 months of bad form drives the price down. I think the most we can get for him is this window and I’d be comfortable with 750k for a bloke who’s done very little since the turn of last year. |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 29, 2024 8:51:06 GMT
A little update;
Aaron Collins prior to being stripped of the captaincy;
Played 93 Goals 33 GPG 0.35
Aaron Collins since being stripped of the captaincy;
Played 46 Goals 6 GPG 0.13
One of our finest assets tanked.
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Post by TAGas on Jan 29, 2024 9:14:53 GMT
Well the way I look at it is, is that Sam Nombe went for £1 million. He's only year younger than Aaron but Aaron has a better scoring and assist record
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 29, 2024 9:34:49 GMT
We need to stand firm on our valuation,as he s got a long contract, hope we have players lined up to replace him. What's a long contract really worth if he's not interested in playing for Rovers? We can hardly afford to turn down £600K(?) and then tell him to sit in the stands until another team offers him more, then watch his value slowly drop. Hopefully a deal can now be agreed for a reasonable sum. You’d think he’d understand that if he was playing and playing well then his price would go up and his signing on fee with it. None of this makes any sense, i understand being disappointed and angry but not to the point of self sabotage |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 29, 2024 9:40:36 GMT
Let them walk away. £600k isn't enough. Most Grimsby fans want 500k for conteh, on the basis there's no release clause. This is league ones player of the year. 27 at the end of the season. Meaning a short Stay would see him sold at 28. For the sell on clause to be worthwhile: - bolton would need a promotion, and; - Collins would need to achieve mad numbers Too many variables. £750k to pick up the phone. But should be higher. If £750k allows us to be active this window with targets that would benefit us long term- accept. If not sell him for that value in the summer. When has selling a player meant the manager gets the funds, at Rovers ? Maybe things have changed now but, historically, we have not been a club that gives the fee to buy decent replacements. |
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Post by madgas on Jan 29, 2024 9:43:20 GMT
Let them walk away. £600k isn't enough. Most Grimsby fans want 500k for conteh, on the basis there's no release clause. This is league ones player of the year. 27 at the end of the season. Meaning a short Stay would see him sold at 28. For the sell on clause to be worthwhile: - bolton would need a promotion, and; - Collins would need to achieve mad numbers Too many variables. £750k to pick up the phone. But should be higher. If £750k allows us to be active this window with targets that would benefit us long term- accept. If not sell him for that value in the summer. When has selling a player meant the manager gets the funds, at Rovers ? Maybe things have changed now but, historically, we have not been a club that gives the fee to buy decent replacements. If its not for replacements... then presumably we don't have a cash flow requirement... if we did, I'd worry. So even less of reason to take an offer now that would be achievable in the summer. |
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