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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 23, 2024 22:27:33 GMT
That’s not how it works, we are still paying their wages currently which means it’s still a big budget. Do you think that we don’t pay people in their last year or something? SCMP doesn’t work the same as at prem level
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I know how it works. I’m saying that length of contract plays no part. If you’re paying Evans 7,000 a week then it’s 364k towards the budget. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 23, 2024 22:29:27 GMT
That’s not how it works, we are still paying their wages currently which means it’s still a big budget. Do you think that we don’t pay people in their last year or something? SCMP doesn’t work the same as at prem level It's not a big budget we got. It's been debated on here before and most people questioned it being a top 6-8. Most are frees or loans with contracts expiring in the next few months. And of course long term contracts have repercussions on short term budgets. Transfer fee has absolutely no impact on the playing budget. Sinclair was free but is on a handsome wage. Finley is on a handsome wage. It’s a top 8 budget. McAnthony said on talksport in the summer even before the new men came in that we we were having a go with wages. Barton said last season he needed 4.5 million like Plymouth to have a go and then announced we were indeed having a go a few weeks later. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 23, 2024 22:30:53 GMT
"FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing up club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions"
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I know how it works. I’m saying that length of contract plays no part. If you’re paying Evans 7,000 a week then it’s 364k towards the budget. Yeah I agree. Should still be money available though, if you believe we were willing to pay out £2.2m on one deal in the last window that is. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 23, 2024 22:32:37 GMT
It's not a big budget we got. It's been debated on here before and most people questioned it being a top 6-8. Most are frees or loans with contracts expiring in the next few months. And of course long term contracts have repercussions on short term budgets. Transfer fee has absolutely no impact on the playing budget. Sinclair was free but is on a handsome wage. Finley is on a handsome wage. It’s a top 8 budget. McAnthony said on talksport in the summer even before the new men came in that we we were having a go with wages. Barton said last season he needed 4.5 million like Plymouth to have a go and then announced we were indeed having a go a few weeks later. Like Plymouth, our budget is £4.5m apparently. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 23, 2024 22:35:18 GMT
It's not a big budget we got. It's been debated on here before and most people questioned it being a top 6-8. Most are frees or loans with contracts expiring in the next few months. And of course long term contracts have repercussions on short term budgets. Transfer fee has absolutely no impact on the playing budget. Sinclair was free but is on a handsome wage. Finley is on a handsome wage. It’s a top 8 budget. McAnthony said on talksport in the summer even before the new men came in that we we were having a go with wages. Barton said last season he needed 4.5 million like Plymouth to have a go and then announced we were indeed having a go a few weeks later. None of that is solid evidence . It's just comments made by people without examination and knowledge of other clubs budgets. The board said " They had £1 million avaliable in the last window " and sold Loft and released an additional 4 players. |
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Post by cheltenhamgas on Jan 23, 2024 22:36:10 GMT
Well that was as bad as The Garner days , probably even worse as we goofed ball into 40mph winds and didn’t challenge. No shots on target . Martin possibly off to League 2 club and we are looking to sign defensive midfielder from Exeter reserves ! Course we don’t need a striker ffs !
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 23, 2024 22:38:03 GMT
Transfer fee has absolutely no impact on the playing budget. Sinclair was free but is on a handsome wage. Finley is on a handsome wage. It’s a top 8 budget. McAnthony said on talksport in the summer even before the new men came in that we we were having a go with wages. Barton said last season he needed 4.5 million like Plymouth to have a go and then announced we were indeed having a go a few weeks later. None of that is solid evidence . It's just comments made by people without examination and knowledge of other clubs budgets. The board said " They had £1 million avaliable in the last window " and sold Loft and released an additional 4 players. I know a few people in football who tell me the same but I guess that people on this forum guessing know better than professionals in the game. 👍🏻 |
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Post by singupgas on Jan 23, 2024 22:38:50 GMT
Absolutely. Tonight was an awful, uninspiring performance. I am struggling to see what we are trying to do on the pitch, we have gone from a side that passes the ball around quite well working the ball forward, to I don't know what really, clueless. Crazy how short people's memories are, and how the mind can play funny tricks. The football you speak of never existed. We never "worked the ball forward". All we did was aimlessly pass the ball around in our own half, with no purpose whatsoever. Give me direct football over completely aimless and pointless possession based football any day of the week. The same football that got us promoted, steady season last season and we were picking up points earlier in the season. We tried to keep the ball, passed it about. No we didn't beat everyone but not at one point watching JBs side did I think we are absolutely dire - tonight I did. What is this direct football you talk of, we are absolutely hopeless now, its not direct, there appears to be no plan whatsoever. BTW, I agree the AlSaeeds are a worry. Let me know when you are going to start chucking tennis balls on and I will join... This season is turning into a disaster. |
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Post by RD on Jan 23, 2024 22:40:14 GMT
Crazy how short people's memories are, and how the mind can play funny tricks. The football you speak of never existed. We never "worked the ball forward". All we did was aimlessly pass the ball around in our own half, with no purpose whatsoever. Give me direct football over completely aimless and pointless possession based football any day of the week. The same football that got us promoted, steady season last season and we were picking up points earlier in the season. We tried to keep the ball, passed it about. No we didn't beat everyone but not at one point watching JBs side did I think we are absolutely dire - tonight I did. What is this direct football you talk of, we are absolutely hopeless now, its not direct, there appears to be no plan whatsoever. Bizarre. I seen an enormous number of truly awful games with that waste of oxygen in charge. Thank God he's gone. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 23, 2024 22:41:16 GMT
He's got a worse PPM than Mangan. What has improved? We're playing aimless hoofball now, but like before...still dodgy at the back and lacking a cutting edge going forwards. He’s operating with his hands tied behind his back. No recruitment department, budget blown on absolute sh**. Btw I said to give the job to Mangan but many laughed at me Not me I said the same. My exact words were “ Mangan has picked up 1.6 points a game which is play off form , if the board bring someone else in now they’ll have to be pretty special to beat that” I wanted them to offer it until the end of the season and then review it in the summer. Fwiw I think Taylor can be good for us and we won’t know until he’s had this window and the summer window and in to a run of games next season. Don’t forget we’ve had injuries and illness to key players lately also. Thing is whether we’re down to the bare bones or at full strength the same problems are generally there in matches and that’s that only Martin knows where the goal is and that our goalkeeper just simply is not good enough. To be successful you have to be good in both boxes and we aren’t good in either. Strikers and goalkeepers win you games or they lose you games , they’re the two most important positions on the pitch. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2024 22:42:26 GMT
Crazy how short people's memories are, and how the mind can play funny tricks. The football you speak of never existed. We never "worked the ball forward". All we did was aimlessly pass the ball around in our own half, with no purpose whatsoever. Give me direct football over completely aimless and pointless possession based football any day of the week. The same football that got us promoted, steady season last season and we were picking up points earlier in the season. We tried to keep the ball, passed it about. No we didn't beat everyone but not at one point watching JBs side did I think we are absolutely dire - tonight I did. What is this direct football you talk of, we are absolutely hopeless now, its not direct, there appears to be no plan whatsoever. I looked forward to the games. Now I think of any reason not to go. Tickets be a fiver soon with this atrocious football |
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Post by RD on Jan 23, 2024 22:42:41 GMT
He’s operating with his hands tied behind his back. No recruitment department, budget blown on absolute sh**. Btw I said to give the job to Mangan but many laughed at me Not me I said the same. My exact words were “ Mangan has picked up 1.6 points a game which is play off form , if the board bring someone else in now they’ll have to be pretty special to beat that” I wanted them to offer it until the end of the season and then review it in the summer. Fwiw I think Taylor can be good for us and we won’t know until he’s had this window and the summer window and in to a run of games next season. Don’t forget we’ve had injuries and illness to key players lately also. Thing is whether we’re down to the bare bones or at full strength the same problems are generally there in matches and that’s that only Martin knows where the goal is and that our goalkeeper just simply is not good enough. To be successful you have to be good in both boxes and we aren’t good in either. Strikers and goalkeepers win you games or they lose you games , they’re the two most important positions on the pitch. Excellent post. Don't think we can judge Taylor yet. Board need to put their hands in their pocket FFS. |
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Post by singupgas on Jan 23, 2024 22:42:47 GMT
The same football that got us promoted, steady season last season and we were picking up points earlier in the season. We tried to keep the ball, passed it about. No we didn't beat everyone but not at one point watching JBs side did I think we are absolutely dire - tonight I did. What is this direct football you talk of, we are absolutely hopeless now, its not direct, there appears to be no plan whatsoever. Bizarre. I seen an enormous number of truly awful games with that waste of oxygen in charge. Thank God he's gone. Forget the personal side of JB I get that. What he says and how he conducts himself is questionable. But footballing wise, MT is looking Sunday morning at the moment. |
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Post by RD on Jan 23, 2024 22:44:54 GMT
Bizarre. I seen an enormous number of truly awful games with that waste of oxygen in charge. Thank God he's gone. Forget the personal side of JB I get that. What he says and how he conducts himself is questionable. But footballing wise, MT is looking Sunday morning at the moment. I felt the same about JB. A young superstar got us promoted by and large - without him we were average. Then factor in the dross when he took us down and a good chunk of dross this season (plus this sh*te unbalanced squad).... and that's before we conveniently ignore HIM as a human being. I couldn't care if he was Pep |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 23, 2024 22:45:23 GMT
Have we considered that the players may just not be good enough? Past the first 11 the squad is woeful Hardly getting the best out of what he's got, is he? Things have got worse under Taylor and tonight an utter disgrace and embarrassment. Things got better initially. Losing Ward and Wilson has hit. We still played well against Norwich, but the effort we put into those games as caught up with the players that were doing well. 3 games in 6 days and a lot of key players out. Lost Bogarde and Woods as well so can't rest players. Tonight was rubbish I switched off at half time, but anyone that knows anything about football would have backed Exeter at 4/1 today. We need players back ASAP and reinforcements, then it's about building for next season. I won't judge the manager until after the first 6 games of next season. Barton and DC both took us down with someone else's squad. He needs the players for his system. We don't have the players to play with three at the back and we need legs in midfield. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 23, 2024 22:47:20 GMT
None of that is solid evidence . It's just comments made by people without examination and knowledge of other clubs budgets. The board said " They had £1 million avaliable in the last window " and sold Loft and released an additional 4 players. I know a few people in football who tell me the same but I guess that people on this forum guessing know better than professionals in the game. 👍🏻 It's a matter of personal opinion and no one can prove it unless you compare budgets from each club. I'm not aware this is recorded and shared. I based my opinion on the days of big transfer fees like Roberts Halyes Evans Ellingtin Lativan S.jones cureton and massive signings like Walters Hillier and L.Martin . I also know ex professionals who told me we spent very big in the the first 5 years of the Mem. I don't believe this squad is much in comparison to the top 10 in this division. |
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Post by pudseygas on Jan 23, 2024 22:47:28 GMT
Few weeks ago we beat Bolton, pompey and Charlton. Yes form has dipped since but hopefully a few new faces come in this week and we can move forward again.
The team has been decimated by injuries. It can't help, ward is a massive loss in the middle
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 23, 2024 22:47:40 GMT
The same football that got us promoted, steady season last season and we were picking up points earlier in the season. We tried to keep the ball, passed it about. No we didn't beat everyone but not at one point watching JBs side did I think we are absolutely dire - tonight I did. What is this direct football you talk of, we are absolutely hopeless now, its not direct, there appears to be no plan whatsoever. I looked forward to the games. Now I think of any reason not to go. Tickets be a fiver soon with this atrocious football Just support the team, not the manager. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 23, 2024 22:48:31 GMT
I know a few people in football who tell me the same but I guess that people on this forum guessing know better than professionals in the game. 👍🏻 It's a matter of personal opinion and no one can prove it unless you compare budgets from each club. I'm not aware this is recorded and shared. I based my opinion on the days of big transfer fees like Roberts Halyes Evans Ellingtin Lativan S.jones cureton and massive signings like Walters Hillier and L.Martin . I also know ex professionals who told me we spent very big in the the first 5 years of the Mem. I don't believe this squad is much in comparison to the top 10 in this division. What we spent in the 2000s makes absolutely no odds whatsoever if the budget we have the season is top 8 or not. |
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Post by singupgas on Jan 23, 2024 22:50:41 GMT
Forget the personal side of JB I get that. What he says and how he conducts himself is questionable. But footballing wise, MT is looking Sunday morning at the moment. I felt the same about JB. A young superstar got us promoted by and large - without him we were average. Then factor in the dross when he took us down and a good chunk of dross this season (plus this sh*te unbalanced squad).... and that's before we conveniently ignore HIM as a human being. I couldn't care if he was Pep With respect to the relegation we had also had Garner and Tisdale manage the same side that season. Tisdale said there was nothing he could do. We have regressed in months since JB has left for some reason. I miss us keeping the ball, passing it around waiting for an opportunity to attack. Funny our supporters werent happy with the above, we now don't seem to know at all what we are doing with the ball. I hope we find a way of grinding out results soon. |
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