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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 23, 2024 22:53:28 GMT
It's a matter of personal opinion and no one can prove it unless you compare budgets from each club. I'm not aware this is recorded and shared. I based my opinion on the days of big transfer fees like Roberts Halyes Evans Ellingtin Lativan S.jones cureton and massive signings like Walters Hillier and L.Martin . I also know ex professionals who told me we spent very big in the the first 5 years of the Mem. I don't believe this squad is much in comparison to the top 10 in this division. What we spent in the 2000s makes absolutely no odds whatsoever if the budget we have the season is top 8 or not. We could go around in circles . You believe its a top 8 budget . I believe its mid table or below. There is NO evidence to prove or disprove. I see nothing in this squad to suggest its up there with Derby Pompey Charlton Bolton Barnsley Blackpool peterboro Oxford and few more. |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Jan 23, 2024 23:02:34 GMT
Earlier in the season, even though we lost, we still made chances and played some good stuff. Now it's like watching a load of half cut blokes trying to play football on a Sunday morning. The players look lost, they look like they don't know what's expected of them. There is no way a team with players like Collins, Evans, Vale, Brown should be playing like that? The last few games have been absolute dross, I can see Taylor being sacked if results don't change quickly.
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Post by socrates on Jan 23, 2024 23:04:50 GMT
What we spent in the 2000s makes absolutely no odds whatsoever if the budget we have the season is top 8 or not. We could go around in circles . You believe it’s a top 8 budget . I believe it’s mid table or below. There is NO evidence to prove or disprove. I see nothing in this squad to suggest its up there with Derby Pompey Charlton Bolton Barnsley Blackpool peterboro Oxford and few more. If it is as big as those clubs budgets then they’ve certainly spent it better than us. But I get what you’re saying , we just don’t know. To be honest I couldn’t care less whether we have a top 8 budget a mid table budget or a lower league budget it’s clear that Barton has built a squad on a foundation of sand and as we’ve gone in to winter months the majority of his signings this season which are mostly older injury prone players have got injured and or lost form. We also have no pace in the squad. Even our so called quick wide players Thomas and Vale aren’t quick they’re just quicker than the rest. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 23, 2024 23:09:42 GMT
Earlier in the season, even though we lost, we still made chances and played some good stuff. Now it's like watching a load of half cut blokes trying to play football on a Sunday morning. The players look lost, they look like they don't know what's expected of them. There is no way a team with players like Collins, Evans, Vale, Brown should be playing like that? The last few games have been absolute dross, I can see Taylor being sacked if results don't change quickly. Collins has been poor for a year now. Evans is playing well. Brown had 5 good months at this level that’s it. Vale has 0 end product. |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Jan 23, 2024 23:15:20 GMT
Earlier in the season, even though we lost, we still made chances and played some good stuff. Now it's like watching a load of half cut blokes trying to play football on a Sunday morning. The players look lost, they look like they don't know what's expected of them. There is no way a team with players like Collins, Evans, Vale, Brown should be playing like that? The last few games have been absolute dross, I can see Taylor being sacked if results don't change quickly. Collins has been poor for a year now. Evans is playing well. Brown had 5 good months at this level that’s it. Vale has 0 end product. If Collins wasn't our player and we offered him or Brown the space we give opposition teams, they'd murder us. There is no question over the quality of these players, there's no movement or purpose, we don't make space for them. For what it's worth I personally think Vale has got an end product, he puts in some really dangerous crosses, just a shame we've normally only got one player in the box if we are lucky! |
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Post by thegasareback on Jan 23, 2024 23:15:28 GMT
My issue is we have no identity, no pattern of play, no real idea of what we’re doing.
At times with other managers when it hasn’t worked you could at least see what the plan was. Today off the ball the players didn’t know where their roles were and that’s a huge problem.
They were guessing / ad-lib’ing and that’s fine if you have Bergkamp and Henry but we haven’t, they need coaching. And I can’t see how that’s happening right now.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 23, 2024 23:16:53 GMT
We could go around in circles . You believe it’s a top 8 budget . I believe it’s mid table or below. There is NO evidence to prove or disprove. I see nothing in this squad to suggest its up there with Derby Pompey Charlton Bolton Barnsley Blackpool peterboro Oxford and few more. If it is as big as those clubs budgets then they’ve certainly spent it better than us. But I get what you’re saying , we just don’t know. To be honest I couldn’t care less whether we have a top 8 budget a mid table budget or a lower league budget it’s clear that Barton has built a squad on a foundation of sand and as we’ve gone in to winter months the majority of his signings this season which are mostly older injury prone players have got injured and or lost form. We also have no pace in the squad. Even our so called quick wide players Thomas and Vale aren’t quick they’re just quicker than the rest. Fair point but why wait and be Mediterranean about things ?. The club had £1 million in the budget a few months ago. Taylor is clearly struggling and as already stated by some he could be sacked. We then go through a long process of replacing managers because the board thinks the current squad is exspensive . Therefore what is the use of appointing managers with no budget ?. And if there is NO additional money then perhaps say it !. At least we know we're we stand and its the humble fighting spirit that unites us . |
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Post by Beer Baron on Jan 23, 2024 23:33:22 GMT
Some brainless comments on here tonight I see, grow up.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 24, 2024 1:02:35 GMT
Just seen the post match MT interview on YouTube. How can they be mentally weak players when most were signed and played under Barton for so long?
Hardly going to inspire anyone hearing that but he knew the score when he took on the job.
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Post by pirate on Jan 24, 2024 1:22:05 GMT
Just seen the post match MT interview on YouTube. How can they be mentally weak players when most were signed and played under Barton for so long? He can say what he wants, but the players on the whole did enjoy playing under Barton and like him or loathe him, he did have a presence about him and certain type of charisma. He had plenty of higher level experience to pass on to the group too. Fairly or unfairly, Taylor just comes across as a bit dull and uninspiring in comparison. I can't help but think back to my initial fears about Taylor. What sort of effect has his 18 months of getting beaten week in week out at Rotherham had on him with little time to reflect? Why was he unable to turn around a losing away run that lasted a year? Why did things get even worse this season after breaking the Rotherham transfer record twice? That lack of success or proven track record of recruiting players for fees and handling a budget is a concern, especially with our non-existent recruitment infrastructure. Think past his time at Rotherham, expectations are lower at Exeter and he has a lack of experience at this level having only been in charge for 11 games and only 4 wins to his name in League One prior to joining us. What sort of experiences is he drawing upon to turn things around I wonder? |
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Post by supergas on Jan 24, 2024 2:38:26 GMT
Well that was as bad as The Garner days , probably even worse as we goofed ball into 40mph winds and didn’t challenge. No shots on target . Martin possibly off to League 2 club and we are looking to sign defensive midfielder from Exeter reserves ! Course we don’t need a striker ffs ! Only the third time we've failed to score all season. What we need is to tighten up at the back, clean sheets get a guaranteed point and (with our normal scoring rate) normally three... ....why was there no challenge as their player runs from the halfway line and cuts in to reach the edge of the penalty box in the middle of the pitch? It's three vs three and yet two of our players go with their runner towards the corner flag...  when he gets the ball back just inside the edge of the box there are three defenders within a couple of yards of him and no challenge (allowing him to fire off the shot which was only half-saved)...  ...and with eight outfield players now back in our box why did none of them pick up the attacker who eventually scored? We're not man marking/tracking players properly and there were at least three points where that attack should have been broken up (four if you count that the keeper should have held it...) The longer that game stays 0-0, the more likely we would have been to score and take all three points. Shocking defending (again) cost us, so whilst we might want to consider a change in attack, the vast majority of the work (and therefore probably the vast majority of the money) needs to go into the defense - clean sheets get you up the table, the top six sides now average 11 clean sheets each this season so far, we have just three.... |
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Post by madgas on Jan 24, 2024 7:20:47 GMT
I was worried about replacing Barton with Taylor. Just felt odd. The public explanation behind Bartons sacking and the dersired credentials stated for the next manager didn't really match up. It felt two very comparable CVs. I also felt- the bloke most likely to achieve something with the current squad was the guy who assembled it.
That said, I'm glad Bartons gone. And I was initially impressed with Matt Taylor.
Footballs a pretty simple game. 3 5 2 isn't going to work without a physical presence in midfield. If you get turned over in the middle- there's too much room to attack a back 3. Without Ward, this formation isn't going to work. The backroom staff (if they exist) have failed the last two managers.
Going forward- all I hope is that Taylor can get a couple in the middle to give us that combative edge that we badly lack when GW is injured. Its too key a position to negate in this system. That'll give us time to fairly assess him.
Really upset by what appears dog and fox admin. I think I need the board to detail plans on how they will approve the recruitment department before I commit to a season ticket. Its been bloody obvious- slow transfer activity has cost us points this season. Why should I commit to every game when they apparently are not?
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Post by singupgas on Jan 24, 2024 8:36:03 GMT
My issue is we have no identity, no pattern of play, no real idea of what we’re doing. At times with other managers when it hasn’t worked you could at least see what the plan was. Today off the ball the players didn’t know where their roles were and that’s a huge problem. They were guessing / ad-lib’ing and that’s fine if you have Bergkamp and Henry but we haven’t, they need coaching. And I can’t see how that’s happening right now. That's how I see it. In a few months the team now looking like they don't know what they are doing. |
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Post by mftc on Jan 24, 2024 8:59:11 GMT
If we had Ward, Wilson and a fit Finley that would have helped last night.
Hunt is working his way back to full fitness and losing Taylor is a big blow as well.
Any side with 4-5 of its better players missing or playing when they should not have been is going to struggle.
At Taylor has had a chance to look at more of the squad and can see that for all the expense it really was bluster rather than quality.
Now let's get that sharescheme spirit we saw under Graydon, when performances were great but we battled together for the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2024 9:29:55 GMT
This was a squad put together to play possession football at the top end of the table.if the slide continues to a relegation battle they will not be the players to fight tooth nail and play ugly route one football.the club either has too pay big bucks to stabilise and get us up the table or get in some street brawlers to stop us dropping out of the division. Will be interesting to see what route they choose
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Post by martincollins on Jan 24, 2024 9:43:52 GMT
They cannot think of sacking, just give up on dream of PL for now and stop tinkering.
Ward
Connolly Taylor Crama
Hoole Fin. Sinclair
Evo. McCormick
Collins. Marqis
That’s my 11 and We have more than enough for bench
Hall Gordon Gibbo Grant Lawrence Ward Brown Greenslade
If we have to save some money as owners struggling to buy bog rolls, Send keeper back and Release Friend, Hunt, Martin as there wage are probably huge but all crocked.
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Post by RD on Jan 24, 2024 9:45:29 GMT
If we had Ward, Wilson and a fit Finley that would have helped last night. Hunt is working his way back to full fitness and losing Taylor is a big blow as well. Any side with 4-5 of its better players missing or playing when they should not have been is going to struggle. At Taylor has had a chance to look at more of the squad and can see that for all the expense it really was bluster rather than quality. Now let's get that sharescheme spirit we saw under Graydon, when performances were great but we battled together for the club. This. Let's be honest, depth wise we really have f**k all quality. Hence losing any of the key players (those you've listed) will really hinder us. Granted first half was dreadful - lack of effort etc which is simply not acceptable. But second half I felt we tried, just lacked the required quality. We need additions ASAP! |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jan 24, 2024 10:25:24 GMT
Just seen the post match MT interview on YouTube. How can they be mentally weak players when most were signed and played under Barton for so long? He can say what he wants, but the players on the whole did enjoy playing under Barton and like him or loathe him, he did have a presence about him and certain type of charisma. He had plenty of higher level experience to pass on to the group too. Fairly or unfairly, Taylor just comes across as a bit dull and uninspiring in comparison. I can't help but think back to my initial fears about Taylor. What sort of effect has his 18 months of getting beaten week in week out at Rotherham had on him with little time to reflect? Why was he unable to turn around a losing away run that lasted a year? Why did things get even worse this season after breaking the Rotherham transfer record twice? That lack of success or proven track record of recruiting players for fees and handling a budget is a concern, especially with our non-existent recruitment infrastructure. Think past his time at Rotherham, expectations are lower at Exeter and he has a lack of experience at this level having only been in charge for 11 games and only 4 wins to his name in League One prior to joining us. What sort of experiences is he drawing upon to turn things around I wonder? Spot on Pirate !!! 👍💙Utg |
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Post by supergas on Jan 24, 2024 10:38:08 GMT
This was a squad put together to play possession football at the top end of the table.if the slide continues to a relegation battle they will not be the players to fight tooth nail and play ugly route one football.the club either has too pay big bucks to stabilise and get us up the table or get in some street brawlers to stop us dropping out of the division. Will be interesting to see what route they choose They are all professional footballers. If these players can't play a in a particular way/in a particular formation effectively, then either they should cancel their contract themselves or we should start taking internal disciplinary action against them for underperformance, the same as we would if they were performing badly in a manufacturing or retail job. At the end of the day it's a paid job and underperformance should not be tolerated... |
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Post by oviedista on Jan 24, 2024 10:45:47 GMT
Packed fixture list, significant injuries/ depleted defence (already the weak area) and reduced squad I fully expected us to struggle last night. Taylor has proven he can get this team playing winning football but January has been a nightmare month. Much more concerned about the owners than Taylor.
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when he gets the ball back just inside the edge of the box there are three defenders within a couple of yards of him and no challenge (allowing him to fire off the shot which was only half-saved)... 
...and with eight outfield players now back in our box why did none of them pick up the attacker who eventually scored? We're not man marking/tracking players properly and there were at least three points where that attack should have been broken up (four if you count that the keeper should have held it...)
