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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 25, 2024 13:28:13 GMT
I wonder what Wael makes of all this? After all he owns 40% of the club so must have an interest, financial and otherwise. Is he sitting with his head in his hands, thinking 'what have I done'? Or happily counting his repaid cash without a care in the world? Or maybe even leaking stuff to the press? Possibly not the last one, although stranger things have happened at BRFC. Wasn't Steve Hamer reputed to be a bit leaky? As he's still at games I would say he still cares. He's on X, why don't you ask him. He doesn't need to leak things. People in the football world are talking about us because we are making ourselves look like a right bunch of pricks in our behaviour and dealing with other clubs and agents. Everyone talks and will say good and bad things, there isn't many good things being said currently. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2024 13:28:36 GMT
We have been recruiting for a financial controller for some time, however we are looking to pay well below a newly qualified accountants wages. I'd suggest £25k under an FCs wage. Which in the grand scheme of owning a football club and making proper timely decisions is stupid value to skimp on. But they will never find any quality because the Know All HR Woman just sifts through 'Indeed' for CVs. They have been offered support but choose to do things on the cheap. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 25, 2024 13:34:30 GMT
It is common for a business owner/CEO to sign-off expenditure over x amount. I've known it to happen with businesses larger than Rovers. Sometimes the owner will ask advice from a finance director before doing do. Regular outgoings such as utilities would normally go straight to a finance manager/director whereby the CEO may occasionally question whether they can get a better deal. We have been recruiting for a financial controller for some time, however we are looking to pay well below a newly qualified accountants wages. business owners can certainly be very tough negotiators. |
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Post by melrosegas on Jan 25, 2024 13:46:54 GMT
We have been recruiting for a financial controller for some time, however we are looking to pay well below a newly qualified accountants wages. business owners can certainly be very tough negotiators. What kind of financial expertise/calibre of applicant are the club hoping to attract by under paying massively for what should be a serious senior role? (the wage range is readily available with a quick google search) You then have somebody reportedly (gaschat fact this time) offered the head of media role on 22k. Similar positions at other L1 clubs pay nigh on double that. The clubs approach to recruitment is bizarre. If we're doing the same with selling clubs/players agents is it any wonder we haven't signed anyone this window? |
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Post by gasify on Jan 25, 2024 14:10:17 GMT
It's rank amateur mate. This is probably the work of either the fat one or the thin one that hangs onto the coattails of Abdul who are treating us like some kind of university marketing project. I wouldn't mind if it was a decent product, but that's terrible. It's even built on some clunky type of word press site. It's just awful. Your website is a window into who you are as a business/club/organisation so I suppose they have it bang off by making us look like a right bunch of amateurs. Not got an SSL cert. Nuff said. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 25, 2024 14:12:00 GMT
Surprised the owners even bothered to appoint MT and didnt have a go themselves
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Post by bluetooth0077 on Jan 25, 2024 14:23:05 GMT
Owners son probably thinks he can do everything. In reality he probably can't do anything. Still sat with a silver spoon in his mouth
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 25, 2024 14:27:12 GMT
Surprised the owners even bothered to appoint MT and didnt have a go themselves He couldn't as you have to be at least level 3 (uefa b), just to work in a youth academy. He's currently sitting his courses, for the future. |
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Post by alanrg on Jan 25, 2024 14:36:48 GMT
Interesting article from Dan Hargraves on Bristol Live re the owners calling for fans engagement
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Post by seanclevedongas on Jan 25, 2024 15:00:24 GMT
Interesting article from Dan Hargraves on Bristol Live re the owners calling for fans engagement I can't find that, please can you post a link or were you being sarky? |
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Post by legas on Jan 25, 2024 16:32:31 GMT
Interesting article from Dan Hargraves on Bristol Live re the owners calling for fans engagement I can't find that, please can you post a link or were you being sarky? I think there needs to be a comma after the word ‘owners’ to reflect the article - I.e., that article is about the owners and Dan is calling for fan engagement. Have a look at Bristol live online. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jan 25, 2024 17:43:30 GMT
First question on applying for Academy: How many children’s you are registering?Embarrassing. I will be fair and say it’s not their first language. I suspect they have wrote the info themselves because they think they can do everything without help and support. They’ll be reading this and probably won’t like the stuff some of us are saying but all we want is for you guys to do what’s right by the fans and the club. Get proper people in place to do the job and accept help and support. UTG I think you’re being overly generous there. I speak passable German, but if I was setting up a website in German I would at least get a native speaker to give it the once-over first before publishing it, to avoid exactly this kind of thing. It is rank amateurism |
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Post by gasify on Jan 25, 2024 17:55:56 GMT
We have been recruiting for a financial controller for some time, however we are looking to pay well below a newly qualified accountants wages. I'd suggest £25k under an FCs wage. Which in the grand scheme of owning a football club and making proper timely decisions is stupid value to skimp on. A FC wouldn't really be the one to be making proper timely decisions. They would be looking at internal processes and making sure there are proper controls in place. They would be the one that would put together a weekly payment run that they would take to the owners to sign off. Really, the board have lost control if they are asking to sign off expenditure after the expenditure has been incurred. That is like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted. There should be a process in place: 1) A team member wants to buy something or procure a service. 2) They get quotes and decide who to use 3) They raise a purchase order for those goods or services 4) That Purchase Order gets signed off. This is the key to Financial Control. Nothing gets ordered without a signed off PO 5) That PO then gets sent to the supplier to order the goods services 6) Supplier send invoice to Finance 7) Finance checks it has a valid signed off PO - Finance refuse to authorise invoice without a signed PO 8) The person ordering the goods is then asked if the goods/service has been received 9) If Goods/service has been received it is then put on a payment run to coincide with the payment terms 10) The Owners then sign off that payment run knowing that all bills on it have been received A FC (or Finance Manager) would be responsible for running this process. Then reporting numbers at month end. Its easy enough to do, if you are reading this guys have a look at: approvalmax.com/ For a friction free PO process. Also have a look at: www.telleroo.com/For a very easy way to make Bacs payments where the FC can create the payment and the owners can sign them off. Great for the situation where the owners are travelling lots and have geographic boundaries to overcome. A FD would be the one to be making timely decisions. Finance Manager - £30k to £35k Financial Controller £40k to £50k FD - £60k to £110k I fear, like with the other situations, they don't really understand what they need. For £25k they will get someone who isn't qualified and doesn't have the background and experience to put in the correct controls (though I might have given them a good outlined process...) |
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Post by madgas on Jan 25, 2024 18:18:39 GMT
I'd suggest £25k under an FCs wage. Which in the grand scheme of owning a football club and making proper timely decisions is stupid value to skimp on. A FC wouldn't really be the one to be making proper timely decisions. They would be looking at internal processes and making sure there are proper controls in place. They would be the one that would put together a weekly payment run that they would take to the owners to sign off. Really, the board have lost control if they are asking to sign off expenditure after the expenditure has been incurred. That is like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted. There should be a process in place: 1) A team member wants to buy something or procure a service. 2) They get quotes and decide who to use 3) They raise a purchase order for those goods or services 4) That Purchase Order gets signed off. This is the key to Financial Control. Nothing gets ordered without a signed off PO 5) That PO then gets sent to the supplier to order the goods services 6) Supplier send invoice to Finance 7) Finance checks it has a valid signed off PO - Finance refuse to authorise invoice without a signed PO 8) The person ordering the goods is then asked if the goods/service has been received 9) If Goods/service has been received it is then put on a payment run to coincide with the payment terms 10) The Owners then sign off that payment run knowing that all bills on it have been received A FC (or Finance Manager) would be responsible for running this process. Then reporting numbers at month end. Its easy enough to do, if you are reading this guys have a look at: approvalmax.com/ For a friction free PO process. Also have a look at: www.telleroo.com/For a very easy way to make Bacs payments where the FC can create the payment and the owners can sign them off. Great for the situation where the owners are travelling lots and have geographic boundaries to overcome. A FD would be the one to be making timely decisions. Finance Manager - £30k to £35k Financial Controller £40k to £50k FD - £60k to £110k I fear, like with the other situations, they don't really understand what they need. For £25k they will get someone who isn't qualified and doesn't have the background and experience to put in the correct controls (though I might have given them a good outlined process...) I'm saying they advertised under by £25k. I'd expect an FC in Bristol in a complicated industry to be on £60k. Yes, not saying they'd directly speed up decisions. But getting something else off the list means those making the decisions aren't wasting energy on reviewing under qualified applicants. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 25, 2024 18:23:01 GMT
I will be fair and say it’s not their first language. I suspect they have wrote the info themselves because they think they can do everything without help and support. They’ll be reading this and probably won’t like the stuff some of us are saying but all we want is for you guys to do what’s right by the fans and the club. Get proper people in place to do the job and accept help and support. UTG I think you’re being overly generous there. I speak passable German, but if I was setting up a website in German I would at least get a native speaker to give it the once-over first before publishing it, to avoid exactly this kind of thing. It is rank amateurism Just trying to not be accused of being negative all the time 😂😂👍🏻 |
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Post by stapletongas on Jan 25, 2024 18:35:30 GMT
Could this be the new fruit market?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2024 18:37:04 GMT
I think like a lot of things in life, the fall out after, an inquest etc, people say their bit, it’s been made clear we need Chris Martin and he’d have made a big difference last night by the manager. He is 💯 signing and staying. I think the said has been said Conteh, we are trying to salvage it. Collins has interest, he has had for the last 2 weeks, I’d take £250k for him but we are requesting £1 million stuff. Marquis might be agent talk but Crawley, Wimbledon, MK, Gills, all going for the play offs, we brought in Easter to help get us out of the Conference……….. Martin 👍 Conteh is highly likely to sign for us, wants to move closer to London as well, we are back in proper talks and he could play for us Saturday. Another one I made up Bridgewater Gas, we will see brother 👍 |
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Post by gasify on Jan 25, 2024 18:40:08 GMT
A FC wouldn't really be the one to be making proper timely decisions. They would be looking at internal processes and making sure there are proper controls in place. They would be the one that would put together a weekly payment run that they would take to the owners to sign off. Really, the board have lost control if they are asking to sign off expenditure after the expenditure has been incurred. That is like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted. There should be a process in place: 1) A team member wants to buy something or procure a service. 2) They get quotes and decide who to use 3) They raise a purchase order for those goods or services 4) That Purchase Order gets signed off. This is the key to Financial Control. Nothing gets ordered without a signed off PO 5) That PO then gets sent to the supplier to order the goods services 6) Supplier send invoice to Finance 7) Finance checks it has a valid signed off PO - Finance refuse to authorise invoice without a signed PO 8) The person ordering the goods is then asked if the goods/service has been received 9) If Goods/service has been received it is then put on a payment run to coincide with the payment terms 10) The Owners then sign off that payment run knowing that all bills on it have been received A FC (or Finance Manager) would be responsible for running this process. Then reporting numbers at month end. Its easy enough to do, if you are reading this guys have a look at: approvalmax.com/ For a friction free PO process. Also have a look at: www.telleroo.com/For a very easy way to make Bacs payments where the FC can create the payment and the owners can sign them off. Great for the situation where the owners are travelling lots and have geographic boundaries to overcome. A FD would be the one to be making timely decisions. Finance Manager - £30k to £35k Financial Controller £40k to £50k FD - £60k to £110k I fear, like with the other situations, they don't really understand what they need. For £25k they will get someone who isn't qualified and doesn't have the background and experience to put in the correct controls (though I might have given them a good outlined process...) I'm saying they advertised under by £25k. I'd expect an FC in Bristol in a complicated industry to be on £60k. Yes, not saying they'd directly speed up decisions. But getting something else off the list means those making the decisions aren't wasting energy on reviewing under qualified applicants. I think we are agreeing that £25k is ludicrous. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 25, 2024 18:45:49 GMT
The average salary for a bin man in the UK is around 24K.
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Post by madgas on Jan 25, 2024 18:48:22 GMT
The ad was advertising for 30-40k to be clear
Still not 25k but low.
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