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Post by socrates on Feb 9, 2024 9:53:34 GMT
Just looked it up and indeed the 6 second rule is still in place.
It says the punishment is an indirect free kick to the other side but doesn’t mention yellow card.
How sh**e football has become that we’ve got rules in the book that are broken multiple times in every bloody game and never get picked up on yet the numpties at the top are looking to bring in new situations and rules like the sin bin that are ruining the game.
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Post by clovis on Feb 9, 2024 10:02:34 GMT
As a first step, a game clock is needed. Every time the ball goes out of play the clock stops. It starts when the ball is back in play. The fourth official can do this surely. It will stop the endless debates about how long the ref adds on at the end, which seems very random and perhaps stop some of the more obvious time-wasting. This won't stop the team in front slowing the game down by pretending to be injured etc, but it would be a start. Refs need to be prepared to play on a bit longer once someone goes down, just to see if they miraculously recover.
I think a sin-bin is a good idea, and worth a try.
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Post by Quarters on Feb 9, 2024 11:41:23 GMT
Will be amusing the first season as there will be many inconveniences.
Remember when the back pass rule came in and refs could not cope.
Free kicks given from balls just hitting defenders
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Post by eric on Feb 9, 2024 11:48:19 GMT
Just looked it up and indeed the 6 second rule is still in place. It says the punishment is an indirect free kick to the other side but doesn’t mention yellow card. How sh**e football has become that we’ve got rules in the book that are broken multiple times in every bloody game and never get picked up on yet the numpties at the top are looking to bring in new situations and rules like the sin bin that are ruining the game. Get their house in order and start applying the existing rules properly before they start farting about with new ones. Bunch of Juan Kerr’s. |
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Post by eric on Feb 9, 2024 11:51:24 GMT
As a first step, a game clock is needed. Every time the ball goes out of play the clock stops. It starts when the ball is back in play. The fourth official can do this surely. It will stop the endless debates about how long the ref adds on at the end, which seems very random and perhaps stop some of the more obvious time-wasting. This won't stop the team in front slowing the game down by pretending to be injured etc, but it would be a start. Refs need to be prepared to play on a bit longer once someone goes down, just to see if they miraculously recover. I think a sin-bin is a good idea, and worth a try. Potentially some value I suppose for dissent and the most obvious and deliberate time wasting but not sure about anything else. There was mention of “tactical fouls” being included but that’s going to be very subjective and managers/players will be surrounding the ref demanding sin bin and waving imaginary blue cards !! |
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 9, 2024 12:09:06 GMT
Will that lead to more time wasting? Works in Rugby because clock is stopped in various situations. Also they have the shot clock to move play on. Also, Rugby dealt with footballs new rules by making fouls legal. When the game split, some wanted a game of skill and all the meatheads wanted a game of “grr” Basically, Rugby is a game for footballers who couldn’t play. I can’t express how low my contempt for the game is. So I’m surprised there is any such thing as a foul - what’s that for? Pulling a gun? |
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Post by tbonegas on Feb 9, 2024 12:28:10 GMT
As a first step, a game clock is needed. Every time the ball goes out of play the clock stops. It starts when the ball is back in play. The fourth official can do this surely. It will stop the endless debates about how long the ref adds on at the end, which seems very random and perhaps stop some of the more obvious time-wasting. This won't stop the team in front slowing the game down by pretending to be injured etc, but it would be a start. Refs need to be prepared to play on a bit longer once someone goes down, just to see if they miraculously recover. I think a sin-bin is a good idea, and worth a try. Bloody hell. No thank you. 3 o clock games will be finishing at 6 pm. We need to get back to how the game was when I first started watching. And how it was 30 or 40 years ago. The time when Saturday afternoon matches finished at 4.40. and I mean all Saturday afternoon matches. 7.30 kick offs were always completed by 9.10 Football was a proper game then with no cheats |
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Post by clovis on Feb 9, 2024 12:44:02 GMT
I agree with the sentiment Tbone. The trouble is that there is so much money involved in the game now that players try to get every advantage they can, via what we would call cheating or otherwise. Hard to turn the clock back.
I loathe VAR, but it is here to stay I fear. If it is introduced at whatever level we play at I suspect I’d give up watching us.
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Post by smudge1 on Feb 9, 2024 13:39:06 GMT
Under JB we would have being down to 5 men at any one time. Leave our great game alone no blue cards no VAR!
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Post by bidefordgas on Feb 9, 2024 13:41:13 GMT
What an absolute joke this is. Does the sin bin in rugby not rely
on the referee receiving assistance by a ref on the sidelines in his ear and then a sequence of video being shown before eventually a decision being made?
It’s bad enough watching so called refs/var in the Premier league taking ages to sort out decisions and even then get them wrong on a regular basis.
The standard of the officials in our league leaves a lot to be desired as things stand now, let alone giving them more powers to ruin games.
Sort out the standard of refs now I say before engaging in a process that will further complicate their ability to get things right and at the expense of ruining the game even more for us fans in the sidelines.
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Post by aghast on Feb 9, 2024 17:08:12 GMT
Will that lead to more time wasting? Works in Rugby because clock is stopped in various situations. Also they have the shot clock to move play on. Also, Rugby dealt with footballs new rules by making fouls legal. When the game split, some wanted a game of skill and all the meatheads wanted a game of “grr” Basically, Rugby is a game for footballers who couldn’t play. I can’t express how low my contempt for the game is. So I’m surprised there is any such thing as a foul - what’s that for? Pulling a gun? I know you like to fish by making provocative statements, but this one is also mistaken imo. Rugby now is more like the purer football of the past. Hard tackling, little time wasting, few professional fouls and little feigned injury (my biggest hate and something the British game used to be contemptuous of as something 'foreigners' did). Skill levels in modern football have increased massively but to me the improvements have been soured by the cynicism. I have no time for the Premier League any more and at least we see a bit less of the nonsense in L1, but it's increasing every season. Rugby is a breath of fresh air to me. I much prefer football in principle, but sometimes need a change. It's a more uplifting game these days. |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 9, 2024 18:12:53 GMT
"Sin-bins could be introduced in professional football if football's rulemakers' plans are given the go ahead, Sky Sports News understands. The International Football Association Board [IFAB] will publish the detailed protocols for the trials on Friday. The new ruling is expected to include referees dishing out blue cards. In the trials, refs will have the power to send players off for 10 minutes for dissent or cynical fouls. IFAB is set to give the go ahead for the extended sin-bin trial in senior levels of the game at its annual meeting in March. There have already been trials in amateur and youth football in both England and Wales." news.sky.com/story/footballs-rulemakers-set-to-introduce-blue-cards-for-sin-bins-13066916No no non,it works in rugby because it is a physical contact game and going down a man gives a definite advantage,it won't in football as teams will just sit back and wait for the 10mins to go It will cause countless arguments about was it or wasn't it,the authorities are ruining our game , enough is enough😡😡 |
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Post by eric on Feb 9, 2024 18:26:41 GMT
"Sin-bins could be introduced in professional football if football's rulemakers' plans are given the go ahead, Sky Sports News understands. The International Football Association Board [IFAB] will publish the detailed protocols for the trials on Friday. The new ruling is expected to include referees dishing out blue cards. In the trials, refs will have the power to send players off for 10 minutes for dissent or cynical fouls. IFAB is set to give the go ahead for the extended sin-bin trial in senior levels of the game at its annual meeting in March. There have already been trials in amateur and youth football in both England and Wales." news.sky.com/story/footballs-rulemakers-set-to-introduce-blue-cards-for-sin-bins-13066916No no non,it works in rugby because it is a physical contact game and going down a man gives a definite advantage,it won't in football as teams will just sit back and wait for the 10mins to go It will cause countless arguments about was it or wasn't it,the authorities are ruining our game , enough is enough😡😡 Been thinking about it a bit more and I wouldn’t be in favour of sin bins for dissent, I don’t think dissent should even be a yellow card offence. (In professional football rather than grassroots). If you get sin binned or a second yellow for dissent the opposition team during that match get a sporting advantage when they have not been on the wrong end of any skullduggery or misdemeanors themselves. The offence of dissent and abuse of officials affects them personally and not the other team and should be dealt with outside of matchday with a referees report being lodged with the EFL/Prem League after the match. The player in question should then be given a minimum three match ban. Would act as a bigger incentive to behave IMO and also not create an inadvertent sporting advantage to the lucky team who would have benefited from 11 v 10 when it has nothing to do with them. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 9, 2024 19:03:40 GMT
No no non,it works in rugby because it is a physical contact game and going down a man gives a definite advantage,it won't in football as teams will just sit back and wait for the 10mins to go It will cause countless arguments about was it or wasn't it,the authorities are ruining our game , enough is enough😡😡 Been thinking about it a bit more and I wouldn’t be in favour of sin bins for dissent, I don’t think dissent should even be a yellow card offence. (In professional football rather than grassroots). If you get sin binned or a second yellow for dissent the opposition team during that match get a sporting advantage when they have not been on the wrong end of any skullduggery or misdemeanors themselves. The offence of dissent and abuse of officials affects them personally and not the other team and should be dealt with outside of matchday with a referees report being lodged with the EFL/Prem League after the match. The player in question should then be given a minimum three match ban. Would act as a bigger incentive to behave IMO and also not create an inadvertent sporting advantage to the lucky team who would have benefited from 11 v 10 when it has nothing to do with them. But the 3 teams playing in the games afterwards would benefit? Usually dissent is down to disagreeing with a poor referring decision anyway! I could never understand why football didn't adopt the rugby rule of moving the free kick 10m further forward. That should really put most players off disputing a decision. |
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Post by tbonegas on Feb 9, 2024 19:06:00 GMT
Been thinking about it a bit more and I wouldn’t be in favour of sin bins for dissent, I don’t think dissent should even be a yellow card offence. (In professional football rather than grassroots). If you get sin binned or a second yellow for dissent the opposition team during that match get a sporting advantage when they have not been on the wrong end of any skullduggery or misdemeanors themselves. The offence of dissent and abuse of officials affects them personally and not the other team and should be dealt with outside of matchday with a referees report being lodged with the EFL/Prem League after the match. The player in question should then be given a minimum three match ban. Would act as a bigger incentive to behave IMO and also not create an inadvertent sporting advantage to the lucky team who would have benefited from 11 v 10 when it has nothing to do with them. But the 3 teams playing in the games afterwards would benefit? Usually dissent is down to disagreeing with a poor referring decision anyway! I could never understand why football didn't adopt the rugby rule of moving the free kick 10m further forward. That should really put most players off disputing a decision. They tried that a few years ago, didn't they? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 9, 2024 19:28:03 GMT
"Sin-bins could be introduced in professional football if football's rulemakers' plans are given the go ahead, Sky Sports News understands. The International Football Association Board [IFAB] will publish the detailed protocols for the trials on Friday. The new ruling is expected to include referees dishing out blue cards. In the trials, refs will have the power to send players off for 10 minutes for dissent or cynical fouls. IFAB is set to give the go ahead for the extended sin-bin trial in senior levels of the game at its annual meeting in March. There have already been trials in amateur and youth football in both England and Wales." news.sky.com/story/footballs-rulemakers-set-to-introduce-blue-cards-for-sin-bins-13066916No no non,it works in rugby because it is a physical contact game and going down a man gives a definite advantage,it won't in football as teams will just sit back and wait for the 10mins to go It will cause countless arguments about was it or wasn't it,the authorities are ruining our game , enough is enough😡😡 Three yellow cards and a penalty should be awarded. Punishes the team as a whole and retribution in game. |
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Post by bluestargas on Feb 9, 2024 19:51:50 GMT
Apparently there is also talk doing away with the goal nets,leaving the goal posts and crossbar as it is ,removing the nets as a player/players may get injured falling into the nets , health & safety duty of care.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 9, 2024 20:25:09 GMT
But the 3 teams playing in the games afterwards would benefit? Usually dissent is down to disagreeing with a poor referring decision anyway! I could never understand why football didn't adopt the rugby rule of moving the free kick 10m further forward. That should really put most players off disputing a decision. They tried that a few years ago, didn't they? i vaguley recall it, no idea why they scrapped it probably something else which confused refs too much. |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 9, 2024 20:31:32 GMT
No no non,it works in rugby because it is a physical contact game and going down a man gives a definite advantage,it won't in football as teams will just sit back and wait for the 10mins to go It will cause countless arguments about was it or wasn't it,the authorities are ruining our game , enough is enough😡😡 Three yellow cards and a penalty should be awarded. Punishes the team as a whole and retribution in game. Yep that would soon cut it out. |
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Post by eric on Feb 9, 2024 21:02:37 GMT
Been thinking about it a bit more and I wouldn’t be in favour of sin bins for dissent, I don’t think dissent should even be a yellow card offence. (In professional football rather than grassroots). If you get sin binned or a second yellow for dissent the opposition team during that match get a sporting advantage when they have not been on the wrong end of any skullduggery or misdemeanors themselves. The offence of dissent and abuse of officials affects them personally and not the other team and should be dealt with outside of matchday with a referees report being lodged with the EFL/Prem League after the match. The player in question should then be given a minimum three match ban. Would act as a bigger incentive to behave IMO and also not create an inadvertent sporting advantage to the lucky team who would have benefited from 11 v 10 when it has nothing to do with them. But the 3 teams playing in the games afterwards would benefit? Usually dissent is down to disagreeing with a poor referring decision anyway! I could never understand why football didn't adopt the rugby rule of moving the free kick 10m further forward. That should really put most players off disputing a decision. At least you would get an equal XI v XI sporting contest in the next few games. As things stand a second yellow or a blue for dissent would just benefit a team in opposition that day who have had nothing done against them and essentially get a huge benefit as a by product of poor behaviour towards a third party. Can understand potentially moving a free-kick although that can sometimes work against an attacking team (e.g moving too close to be able to get up and over a defensive wall). Perhaps giving an attacking team an opportunity to move up to 10 yards in whichever direction they chose would be better? If it’s for dissent though it’s still giving the other team an advantage when nothing has actually happened to them which still doesn’t sit right with me. |
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